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by Xonen
11 Oct 2020 00:27
Forum: Conworlds & Concultures
Topic: How would space travel change directionals?
Replies: 13
Views: 230

Re: How would space travel change directionals?

I'm not certain how speakers of such languages change their speech when they move away from the landmark their language is geared to. This actually came up in a discussion with a bunch of my friends recently; there appear to be at least some anecdotes about speakers of such languages just using the...
by Xonen
01 Oct 2020 02:51
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: False cognates
Replies: 766
Views: 194399

Re: False cognates

Finnish sitten Swedish sedan both meaning 'then, subsequently' Also 'ago'... Which, come to think of it, makes the set of meanings kind of suspiciously specific. This is one of those cases where I'm quite sure that one of the words has influenced the other (ie. Swedish has influenced Finnish, most ...
by Xonen
13 Aug 2020 02:26
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 349
Views: 2659

Re: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

But that person is talking about linguistics. There can be all sorts of immutable laws in linguistics, since linguists seem to be happy to prioritise linguistic rules over naive interpretations of languages. A linguist can just ignore a language that has a counterexample, or redefine it - a naive s...
by Xonen
12 Aug 2020 23:36
Forum: Everything Else
Topic: The CBB is 15 years old!
Replies: 17
Views: 490

Re: The CBB is 15 years old!

Thankfully, I've changed a lot, both as a conlanger and just as a person in general, since then. Looking back, there's a lot I would do differently. I can't stand my username, for instance. It's something a 15-year-old came up with on the spot without putting much thought into. Could be worse, you ...
by Xonen
09 Aug 2020 03:12
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 349
Views: 2659

Re: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

Wikipedia actually claims that Nenets has a phonemic contrast between /n nʲ ŋ ŋʲ/, but AFAICT there aren't any words with <ӈ/ң> before a vowel that induces palatalisation or followed by a soft sign at least on Glosbe or this Nenets dictionary, so I'm a bit sceptical about that. Incidentally, someth...
by Xonen
08 Aug 2020 18:25
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 349
Views: 2659

Re: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

Is it true that no language distinguishes /ɲ/ and /ŋʲ/, or even /nʲ/ and /ŋʲ/? If so, what's the implication for languages that eg. palatalise all consonants before /i/ and have a phonemic /ŋ/? Does it merge with /n/ before /i/? Does it depend on the language? The reason I'm asking is that while [ɲ...
by Xonen
06 Aug 2020 02:16
Forum: Everything Else
Topic: Forum News discussion/feedback thread
Replies: 847
Views: 230276

Re: Forum News discussion/feedback thread

A thought: Does the CBB House Rules post need a mention of bringing drama from other conlanging communities like the ZBB or the Conlang WorkShop over here? From what I recall, there used to be a part of the "Be Civil" rule that read, "Don't go posting that some random dude you met in another forum ...
by Xonen
28 Jul 2020 13:27
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: False friends and other unfortunate coincidences
Replies: 780
Views: 172244

Re: False friends and other unfortunate coincidences

If initialisms count..... I'd say that's moving quite far from the original purpose of this thread, so at the very least, I'd recommend starting a new thread for them. Personally, I'm also inclined to think that of course  any two- or three-letter abbreviation is going to have multiple uses, even w...
by Xonen
21 Jul 2020 16:41
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Atlantean Language by the Creator of the Klingon Language: Grammars, Dictionaries, New Translations, and Conlangs by Me
Replies: 17
Views: 1241

Re: Atlantean Language by the Creator of the Klingon Language: Grammars, Dictionaries, New Translations, and Conlangs by

Please do not bring personal vendettas from elsewhere on the internet onto this board. Also, a reminder on the House Rules here: no personal attacks. Civil criticism and advice on how to improve certain things are fine - and indeed, the main reason why a lot of people bother posting their work at al...
by Xonen
20 Jul 2020 14:21
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: What have you been reading lately? (linguistic ed.)
Replies: 50
Views: 58236

Re: What have you been reading lately? (linguistic ed.)

A Grammar of the Hittite Language https://www.academia.edu/13160223/A_GRAMMAR_OF_THE_HITTITE_LANGUAGE_Part_1_Reference_Grammar?email_work_card=view-paper Neat, thanks for linking this! Not that I expect to have the time to actually read it anytime soon, but hey, Hittite's been waiting for millennia...
by Xonen
21 Jun 2020 22:15
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: How would you romanize Kazakh?
Replies: 37
Views: 9509

Re: How would you romanize Kazakh?

/m n ŋ/ <m n n ŋ> /p b t d k ɡ q/ <p b t d k q> /(t͡ɕ)/ <ç> /f v s z ʃ ʒ (x) ʁ h/ <g v s z ş j h ğ h> /l j w/ <l ı w> /r/ <р> /ɘ~ɪ ʉ ə ʊ/ <i ü y u> /əj~ɘj ʊw~əw~ʉw~ɘw <ı w> /i̯ɘ y̯ʉ~ø~œ u̯o/ <е ö о> /æ ɑ/ <ä а> That usage of <y> and <ı> seems kind of... exactly backward from what I'd expect, both b...
by Xonen
09 Jun 2020 00:12
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 349
Views: 2659

Re: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

Then again, if we exclude recent(-ish) loanwords, Hungarian doesn't really have word-initial clusters at all, AFAIU. This does in fact seem to be the case too. It's particularly noticeable in the word Görög (Greek). There's also words like iskola 'school' - or indeed the aforementioned István – whi...
by Xonen
08 Jun 2020 18:01
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 349
Views: 2659

Re: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/35134811.pdf says Hungarian does have some word-initial three-consonant clusters. I'm quite sure most European languages have those by now... Kind of inevitable when people are highly literate, orthographies are mostly phonemic and new scientific and technological co...
by Xonen
05 Jun 2020 13:02
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: False cognates
Replies: 766
Views: 194399

Re: False cognates

:hun: föld "earth, soil, field" :eng: field I would have guessed this was a borrowing from some variety of German but evidently not For what it's worth, Hungarian Wiktionary does suggest that it's "maybe" a borrowing from German Feld . There's also the possibility in cases like this that the associ...
by Xonen
05 Jun 2020 12:53
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: False friends and other unfortunate coincidences
Replies: 780
Views: 172244

Re: False friends and other unfortunate coincidences

Portuguese(/Iberian and Neapolitan) o ' DEF.ART.MASC ' and Romanian o ' INDF.ART.FEM ' have been causing me some annoyance recently... I see a sequence like Rom. o casă 'a house' and I immediately want to parse it as definite. By extension I guess Portuguese a ' DEF.ART.FEM ' also adds to this, bec...
by Xonen
31 May 2020 13:42
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 349
Views: 2659

Re: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

It's strange, yeah, but how can you control your feelings like that? Could you please cut it out with the 'everyone but me is a heartless monster' business, please? I kind of doubt that was the intended interpretation. Again, benefit of the doubt, and all that. Most people probably experience some ...
by Xonen
30 May 2020 15:34
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 349
Views: 2659

Re: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

So *waćV is PU reconstruction for a shamelike thing? What is the PU form for 'stomach'? My understanding of Uralistics is very fragmented. Honestly, I think the only people who have anything more than a fragmented understanding of (historical) Uralistics are those who study it as a full-time job. A...
by Xonen
29 May 2020 01:47
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 349
Views: 2659

Re: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

How is that obvious? "Shame" is a classic example of a thick moral concept - it's a complicated concept that only exists within a particular culture and is extremely difficult to translate. Indeed, I'd say it's only just hanging on to existence in modern Western culture (philosophers have a concept...
by Xonen
29 Apr 2020 22:30
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: False friends and other unfortunate coincidences
Replies: 780
Views: 172244

Re: False friends and other unfortunate coincidences

A false friend that has been causing me some trouble: In (written) Finnish, the 123 singular pronouns start with m~s~h. In the related North Sami, they start with m~d~s, and this change of the initial s- is really throwing me off. Cf. Finnish s(in)ä , s(in)ut 'you-NOM, you-ACK' with North Sami son ...
by Xonen
03 Apr 2020 16:49
Forum: Everything Else
Topic: The Sixth Conversation Thread
Replies: 292
Views: 23560

Re: The Sixth Conversation Thread

Wow, thank you. Wasn't expecting that. Sorry for snapping. I instinctively react badly to silencing tactics. It's okay. I was too quick on the draw, too. There's been a lot of people sharing bad information on my Facebook feed, so I suppose I'm primed to expect it. Yeah, there seem to have been a f...