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- 20 Nov 2021 21:41
- Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
- Topic: Questions on Finnish and Estonian Phonology and Orthography [split]
- Replies: 30
- Views: 5314
Re: Questions on Finnish and Estonian Phonology and Orthography [split]
"Viitsiä" comes from western dialects. Wiktionary says it comes from Proto-Finnic , and has a list of cognates in all Finnic languages.🤔 In eastern dialects, it is "keh(d)ata". Really, they have the same meaning in some dialects? To me, that means specifically "to not be as...
- 20 Nov 2021 12:52
- Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
- Topic: Questions on Finnish and Estonian Phonology and Orthography [split]
- Replies: 30
- Views: 5314
Re: Questions on Finnish and Estonian Phonology and Orthography
*/ʃt/ > /ht/ has happened in Finnic, along with general /ʃ/ > /h/: lehti 'leaf' < * lešte , heinä 'hay' < * šaina etc. But this happened at some stage in Proto-Finnic Somehow I managed to completely forget about that. [:$] Maybe subconsciously I was partially thinking of that, though... it having h...
- 19 Nov 2021 16:57
- Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
- Topic: Questions on Finnish and Estonian Phonology and Orthography [split]
- Replies: 30
- Views: 5314
Re: Questions on Finnish and Estonian Phonology and Orthography [split]
Do the southern or eastern Finnic languages have /ts/? Most of them do have some kind of affricate, either /t͡ʃ/ or /t͡s/, but the correspondences aren't entirely regular (or at least I have no idea about the rules for when what became what, they must be very complex). Does the sound/cluster in que...
- 19 Nov 2021 09:58
- Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
- Topic: Questions on Finnish and Estonian Phonology and Orthography [split]
- Replies: 30
- Views: 5314
Re: False cognates
t͡s => t.s => s(1).t => ht (mehtä metät) You're right, something like that could also make sense for that shift, I hadn't even thought of a possibility like that. Personally I just thought it's the same kind of thing as how Swedish /f/ was traditionally (and still is in some dialects) replaced with...
- 18 Nov 2021 07:06
- Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
- Topic: Questions on Finnish and Estonian Phonology and Orthography [split]
- Replies: 30
- Views: 5314
Re: False cognates
it's generally assumed that it was actually /θ/ or /θ:/ (/ts/ in Finnish being a dialectalism that has since spread to the standard language, possibly partially as a spelling pronunciation). I keep hearing this, but with time I've gotten very sceptical about it because I've never heard a single arg...
- 17 Nov 2021 18:25
- Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
- Topic: Questions on Finnish and Estonian Phonology and Orthography [split]
- Replies: 30
- Views: 5314
Re: False cognates
Is the /hr/ cluster even allowed in Finnish? Yes, for example: tahra - stain vihreä - green uhri - victim (Swedish loanword) kehrätä - to purr (of cats; Indo-Iranian loanword) Also, dialects where /d/ is replaced with /r/ have it a lot more, for example: mahdoton -> mahroton - impossible kahden -> ...
- 17 Nov 2021 17:42
- Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
- Topic: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
- Replies: 1123
- Views: 292628
Re: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Are interjections especially likely to be borrowed from one language to another, relative to other parts of speech, and to how many interjections each of the source language and borrowing language has? Is the ease of borrowing interjections versus other parts of speech, significantly greater when t...
- 17 Nov 2021 16:23
- Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
- Topic: False friends and other unfortunate coincidences
- Replies: 883
- Views: 279338
Re: False friends and other unfortunate coincidences
I just found out about this Aramaic word, not necessarily a "proper" false friend since there's no way they'd ever be mixed up, but still interesting because of the oppositeness: Aramaic קרישתא /qæriʃtaʔ/ - cold, frozen Finnish käristä! /kæristæ(ʔ)/ - roast!, burn! [food; imperative] The F...
- 20 Oct 2021 19:03
- Forum: Games
- Topic: Romanization game #2
- Replies: 3474
- Views: 325864
Re: Romanization game #2
/p b t d k g/ <p b t d c g>
/f v s z x ɣ/ <f v s z h r>
/m n/ <m n>
/l j w/ <l ĕ ŏ>
/i u/ <i u>
/e o/ <e o>
/a/ <a>
Next:
/m n ŋ/
/p b t d k g/
/c͡ç ɟ͡ʝ/
/t͡s d͡z t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/
/s z ʃ ʒ/
/f v θ ð j x ɣ h/
/r l/
/æ ə ɪ ɞ/
/ɑː aː ɛː eː iː ɔː oː ɵː uː ʉː/
/f v s z x ɣ/ <f v s z h r>
/m n/ <m n>
/l j w/ <l ĕ ŏ>
/i u/ <i u>
/e o/ <e o>
/a/ <a>
Next:
/m n ŋ/
/p b t d k g/
/c͡ç ɟ͡ʝ/
/t͡s d͡z t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/
/s z ʃ ʒ/
/f v θ ð j x ɣ h/
/r l/
/æ ə ɪ ɞ/
/ɑː aː ɛː eː iː ɔː oː ɵː uː ʉː/
- 12 Oct 2021 19:50
- Forum: Conlangs
- Topic: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
- Replies: 1734
- Views: 361178
Re: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
I have no idea about Solresol, but if you want colours and notes... why not have initial consonants mapped to colours, vowels to notes and final consonants to their softness/hardness (whatever the technical term is)? Sticking to 12 notes per octave for simplicity's sake, and 12 colours just because ...
- 12 Oct 2021 19:09
- Forum: Games
- Topic: Romanization game #2
- Replies: 3474
- Views: 325864
Re: Romanization game #2
/p b t d k g ʔ/ <p b t d k g ķ> /f s z ɕ ʑ h/ <f s z ş j h> /t͡s t͡ɕ/ <c ç> /m n ŋ/ <m n ņ> /l j w/ <l y v> /ɽ/ <r> /i y ʉ ɯ u/ <i ü w ï u> /e ø ɤ o/ <e ö ë o> /a ɒ/ <ä a> Next: /m n̪ ɳ ɲ ŋ/ /p t̪ ʈ c k/ /pː t̪ː ʈː cː kː/ /s̪ ʂ ɕ/ /s̪ː ʂː ɕː/ /v ð ɻ j ɣ/ /fː θː xː/ /l̪ ɭ ʎ/ /a ɛ i ɔ u / /aː ɛː iː ɔː...
- 24 Sep 2021 20:43
- Forum: Games
- Topic: Romanization game #2
- Replies: 3474
- Views: 325864
Re: Romanization game #2
/p pʰ pʼ t tʰ tʼ k kʰ kʼ k͡p k͡pʰ k͡pʼ/ <p ph ᵽ t th ŧ k kh ḳ q qh ꝗ> /f s ʃ h/ <f s x h> /t͡s t͡sʰ t͡sʼ t͡ʃ t͡ʃʰ t͡ʃʼ/ <z zh ż c ch ċ> /m n ŋ ŋ͡m/ <m n g ñ> /l j w/ <l j v> /r/ <r> /i iː u uː/ <i ī u ū> /e eː/ <e ē> /a aː/ <a ā> Next: /m n̪ n̺ ɲ ŋ/ /p b t̪ d̪ t̺ d̺ c ɟ k g ʔ/ /t̪͡s̪ d̪͡z̪ t̺͡s̺ d̺͡...
- 24 Sep 2021 17:25
- Forum: Everything Else
- Topic: Other Creativity
- Replies: 1365
- Views: 362771
Re: Other Creativity
Enjoy! <3 Sounds cool! The vocals don't sound at all bad to my ears, they fit the track just fine how they are. Maybe a little bit "dry" and low in the mix at times, but of course vocals don't always have to be front and centre anyway. The drums are very punchy, which is nice, and the syn...
- 21 Sep 2021 23:46
- Forum: Conlangs
- Topic: Should I/How to add phonotactics to phonotactics - less languages?
- Replies: 6
- Views: 1044
Re: Should I/How to add phonotactics to phonotactics - less languages?
1. Keep them as they are and continue living? Conlangs aren't something to die over, so yeah, you should continue living. [:O] Sorry, couldn't resist... But in all seriousness, what Creyeditor said. Also keep in mind that it's possible that phonotactics that generally hold aren't absolute. Onomatop...
- 21 Sep 2021 04:55
- Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
- Topic: Allophonic /ħ/
- Replies: 2
- Views: 1065
Re: Allophonic /ħ/
Yeah, Finnish /h/ is... uh... especially if you start paying attention to the inconsistencies and worst of all semi-inconsistencies, it's baffling. You'll think you know how a given individual pronounces it in which contexts, but then they'll throw a random [h͡xʲʶˤ] at you and you're like "wait...
- 21 Sep 2021 02:35
- Forum: Conlangs
- Topic: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
- Replies: 1734
- Views: 361178
Re: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
If your language doesn't use <y> or <w>, you could always just use them for schwa and then make a little note. The people who care would have cared anyway and the ones who don't wouldn't anyway. It does use both, specifically this is the phonology and orthography: /m n ŋ/ <m n ng> /p b t d k g/ <p ...
- 20 Sep 2021 17:41
- Forum: Conlangs
- Topic: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
- Replies: 1734
- Views: 361178
Re: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
The way I figure it, the people most likely to read fantasy stories on the Internet are nerds, geeks, metalheads, and goths. That's probably pretty accurate. Or maybe your readerbase consists heavily of people from Northern European countries in Continental Europe where the native languages don't h...
- 20 Sep 2021 02:40
- Forum: Games
- Topic: Cyrillisation game #2
- Replies: 124
- Views: 55752
Re: Cyrillisation game #2
/p t c k q/ <б д ч г ҕ> /f s h/ <п с х> /t͡s k͡x q͡χ/ <ц к ӄ> /m n ŋ ɴ/ <м н ҥ ӈ> /l j/ <л ј> /r/ <р> /i ɨ u/ <и ы у> /e o/ <е о> /ɛ ɔ/ <ӗ ӑ> /a/ <а> Next: /m̥ m n̥ n/ /p b t d k g q/ /t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ /s z ʃ ʒ/ /f v (j) ʍ w ç~χ ʝ~ʁ/ /r̥ r ɬ l ʀ/ /ɑ ɤ ɯ ɔ u/ /(ʲ)æ (ʲ)e (ʲ)i (ʲ)ɵ (ʲ)ʉ/ /ɑː ɤː ɯː ɔː uː/ /(ʲ)æ...
- 20 Sep 2021 02:10
- Forum: Conlangs
- Topic: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
- Replies: 1734
- Views: 361178
Re: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
English Respelling uses UH right? As a German speaker, I would also chose <ö> btw. The problem with <uh> is that it looks really, really, really ugly. Not that <ö> looks pretty or anything, and English-speakers might think it's just /o/ and some will probably even think it's supposed to be an exagg...
- 19 Sep 2021 16:26
- Forum: Conlangs
- Topic: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
- Replies: 1734
- Views: 361178
Re: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
No - nobody knows that a rotated 'e' indicates a schwa, and if they did they wouldn't know what a schwa was. I mean, there's a non-zero chance that they might randomly guess a schwa-like sound, because people do sort of revert to more 'grunty' sounds when they don't know how something can be said, ...