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- 22 Jun 2021 10:21
- Forum: Conlangs
- Topic: Osroene: A Possible Euphratic IE Language
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Re: Osroene: A Possible Euphratic IE Language
ested as affecting things like this, I think)... [...] Well, in a *T-D-Dh system, *D can swing both ways as it shared non-aspiration with *T and voicedness with *Dh, so you are IMHO fine. Thanks! All very useful information. I look forward to reading about Old Albic (when it is ready, of course). T...
- 21 Jun 2021 10:17
- Forum: Conlangs
- Topic: Osroene: A Possible Euphratic IE Language
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Re: Osroene: A Possible Euphratic IE Language
Fine. My personal view of the Early PIE stop system no longer involves any glottalized stops, though. I have found a rather simple solution to the question of the root structure constraints: the *T set was aspirated, while the *D and *Dh sets were as in the traditional reconstruction. [...] Thanks ...
- 20 Jun 2021 18:58
- Forum: Conlangs
- Topic: Osroene: A Possible Euphratic IE Language
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Re: Osroene: A Possible Euphratic IE Language
A Closer Look at Euphratic Plosives The outcome of PIE plosives in Euphratic requires further attention. Although the spelling system is defective and thus any conclusions are tentative, the evidence is compelling in some aspects. The outcome of the stops is also the main reason suggesting Euphrati...
- 19 Jun 2021 14:07
- Forum: Conlangs
- Topic: Osroene: A Possible Euphratic IE Language
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Re: Osroene: A Possible Euphratic IE Language
I think the correct name for the common ancestor of Late PIE (the common ancestor of the non-Anatolian IE languages) and Anatolian is Early PIE [...] Thanks - yes that's pretty much also my understanding of the situation, hence using the "conventional" reconstructions. Mitanni, (Indo)-Ira...
- 18 Jun 2021 15:21
- Forum: Conlangs
- Topic: Osroene: A Possible Euphratic IE Language
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Re: Osroene: A Possible Euphratic IE Language
It's been too long since I was last doing a basal PIE language for me to remember enough about PIE to comment meaningfully. One thing, though: you talk about 'Pre-PIE', but your parent language looks a lot like PIE. Do you have any differences in mind? Indeed, it looks a lot like LPIE - I assume yo...
- 18 Jun 2021 10:40
- Forum: Conlangs
- Topic: Osroene: A Possible Euphratic IE Language
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Re: Osroene: A Possible Euphratic IE Language
The "Proto-Anatolo-Mesopotamian Hypothesis" is in some ways similar to the "Southern IE Hypothesis" I am using for (the ongoing revision of) Old Albic. The idea is that there were two primary branches of IE, namely Northern IE , which consists of all extant non-Anatolian IE lang...
- 17 Jun 2021 14:46
- Forum: Conlangs
- Topic: Osroene: A Possible Euphratic IE Language
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Re: Osroene: A Possible Euphratic IE Language
Ooh I like this a lot. I love the aesthetics of it. It has an almost Lihmelinyan-like feel to it [:D] And I like to see any conlang that uses Anatolian as an influence. Thanks! I do remember Lihmelinyan being influenced by archaic-IE features, so the resemblance is perhaps expected! [:)] Notes on t...
- 15 Jun 2021 21:49
- Forum: Conlangs
- Topic: Osroene: A Possible Euphratic IE Language
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Re: Osroene: A Possible Euphratic IE Language
Be sure to give us the original text of the Letters of Christ and Abgar when you get this sufficiently developed! I like the premise thus far! Thanks both! I certainly will. Some more words found on the Euphratic–Babylonian–Kassite lexical list tablet reveal other possible cognates. Qorṣwánni- This...
- 15 Jun 2021 10:19
- Forum: Conlangs
- Topic: Osroene: A Possible Euphratic IE Language
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Re: Osroene: A Possible Euphratic IE Language
The exact chronology of the sound changes from Pre-IE to Ancient Euphratic is unclear, given both the relative scarcity of data and the length of time between its proposed split from Pre-PIE and the earliest attestations. Internal variation and dialectology is also unclear. Additionally, as the earl...
- 14 Jun 2021 23:54
- Forum: Conlangs
- Topic: Osroene: A Possible Euphratic IE Language
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Osroene: A Possible Euphratic IE Language
I have been toying with the idea of a ‘lost’ IE language (or ‘speculated’ IE’ language) spoken in Mesopotamia for a while now, but none of my attempts so far have been particularly satisfying. In this iteration, I am incorporating some previous ideas/themes, but I’ve also had some new ideas which I ...
- 29 May 2021 02:50
- Forum: Conlangs
- Topic: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
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Re: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
I can't remember, but can pharyngeals lower vowels? I know that they advance the tongue root, in contrast to uvulars that retract it, but I'm not sure if that means they couldn't lower vowels. Or conversely, could they raise vowels? I don't have any academic sources, but from my own experience, Ara...
- 23 May 2021 12:24
- Forum: Conlangs
- Topic: A Diachronic Scratchpad
- Replies: 3
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Re: A Diachronic Scratchpad
Descendant B Descendant A and B form a clade, being unified until sound change 5, after which they split. This stage can be called Common-AB. Descendant B then differs from Descendant A in the following points: – No vowel lowering before /ʔ ŋ/. A: káβeŋ , B: káβiŋ – Final *N all > /ŋ/ . Whereas A r...
- 22 May 2021 11:55
- Forum: Conlangs
- Topic: A Diachronic Scratchpad
- Replies: 3
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Re: A Diachronic Scratchpad
Some morphology Subject Marking Affixes The Proto-Language likely had the following subject marking affixes (unspecified for TAM at the minute) on verbs: 1sg: *k- 2sg: *ŋa- 3sg: *-(j/w)i 1pl. *k-…-ŋ 2pl. *-r 3pl. *-r Interestingly, these are split between prefixes, suffixes, and one circumfix for 1...
- 21 May 2021 17:10
- Forum: Conlangs
- Topic: A Diachronic Scratchpad
- Replies: 3
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Re: A Diachronic Scratchpad
Descendant A: Sound Changes Stage I The first two changes probably happened early around the same time, as part of a of chain-shift. These two sets of changes are reflective of the main initial split of the proto-lang. 1a. Lenition and voicing of plosives between vowels. *p *t *k *kʷ > β ð ɣ ɣʷ. 1b...
- 21 May 2021 14:56
- Forum: Conlangs
- Topic: A Diachronic Scratchpad
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A Diachronic Scratchpad
A Diachronic Scratchpad I thought I would start a new thread to keep an assortment of my diachronic sketches in one place. Unlike most of my other conlangs which tend to be pre-planned with certain aesthetic/features in mind, I thought I would take a more “serendipitous” approach and see where soun...
- 21 May 2021 14:06
- Forum: Conlangs
- Topic: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
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Re: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Thank you both - good to know it's not totally implausible. It is a small inventory, so also good to know that such changes happen more commonly in these (Austronesian and Papuan being inspiration). @Salmoneus: I agree with your analysis of /p t z r k/ and [d] as allophone. I should have mentioned t...
- 21 May 2021 08:51
- Forum: Conlangs
- Topic: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
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Re: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
I have been considering the following sound change for a diachronic sketch I'm playing with, any ideas on how plausible it is? j > z when it is the onset of a stressed syllable: *járan > záran . Except ji > di , (mostly) unconditionally. Along with ri > di (/r/ does not change otherwise). *káji > ká...
- 10 May 2021 10:08
- Forum: Conlangs
- Topic: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
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Re: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
it would be so: a) Aḳālum uśśêkun âdī pariñtu sun-FEM arms-3fs many-MASC vanish-3fs the many-armed sun vanished / the sun with many arms vanished b) Uśśê Aḳālam âdī pariñti arm-CNS sun-FEM many-MASC vanish-3ms the many arms belonging to the sun vanished It is a difference over whether the possessor...
- 14 Apr 2021 17:57
- Forum: Everything Else
- Topic: What are you listening to/watching?
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Re: What are you listening to/watching?
What's going on here? Well, this is an example of a 17th (and early 18th) century avant garde musical genre known as the prélude non mésuré, or 'unmeasured prelude'. They evolved out of earlier French lute music, but later were exclusively associated with the keyboard. Often (as in this case) they ...
- 14 Apr 2021 17:52
- Forum: Conlangs
- Topic: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
- Replies: 1678
- Views: 347443
Re: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Probably getting off topic, but my take: 1) Common grammatical/morphological categories are probably more likely to be represented by the overall more-common phonemes cross-linguistically (not just in "Borean") simply because those categories mean their representative phonemes will appear ...