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What if I gave PT this: (1) b bm d dn dl ɖ ɖɳ ɖɭ ɟ ɟɲ ɟʎ g gŋ gʟ gʷ gŋʷ gʟʷ ɢ ɢɴ ɢʷ ɢɴʷ mp mpm̥ nt ntn̥ ntɬ ɳʈ ɳʈɳ̊ ɳʈɭ̥ ɲc ɲcɲ̊ ɲcʎ̥ ŋk ŋkŋ̊ ŋkʟ̥ ŋkʷ ŋkŋ̊ʷŋkʟ̥ʷɴq ɴqɴ̥ ɴqʷ ɴqɴ̥ʷ mb m nd n ndl ɳɖ ɳ ɳɖɭ ɲɟ ɲ ɲɟʎ ŋg ŋ ŋgʟ ŋgʷ ŋʷ ŋgʟʷɴɢ ɴ ɴɢʷ ɴʷ p’ pm̥’ t’ tn̥’ tɬ’ ʈʂ’ ʈɳ̊’ ʈɭ̥’ c’ cɲ̊’ cʎ̥’ k’ kŋ̊’ kʟ...

Bear in mind that I'm romanising this without knowing what most of the stuff means /◌̥m ◌̥n ◌̥ɲ/ ⟨ hm hn hñ ⟩ /◌̬m) ◌̬n) ◌̬ɲ)/ ⟨ vm vn vñ ⟩ /m n ɲ/ ⟨ m n ñ ⟩ /(◌̬m (◌̬n (◌̬ɲ/ ⟨ cvm cvn cvñ ⟩ /p t t͡s t͡ʃ c k/ ⟨ p t z x j k ⟩ /◌̬p) ◌̬t) ◌̬t͡s) ◌̬t͡ʃ) ◌̬c) ◌̬k)/ ⟨ vp vt vz vx vj vk ⟩ /b d d͡z d͡ʒ ɟ k/...

Some Lakes Plain languages have pretty cool clusters like [nɾ] or [hn] or [mn]. Here's my submission for "minimalist inventory + clusters" /t t͡ɕ k/ /b d d͡ʑ ɡ/ /s x/ /i̝ ɪ ɛ ɐ/ + some tones monosyllabic +/– pre-initial (x t k)(ɛ ɐ) x < *p Syllable structure is CCVVC; the only coda is /x/ ...

LinguoFranco wrote: ↑08 Feb 2024 19:27 [ka˥.na˥]

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Those are the underlying tone melodies for each of them. The third one, however, can be rising, falling or low depending on the adjacent morphemes.

That suggests that you have marked H and L tones, and then a separate unmarked tone. Which is perfectly naturalistic.

Well, in the case of my conlang, toneless words are realized as low toned in isolation, but only words with a low tone melody, toneless words have different realizations depending on the adjacent tones of other words. In this case, would the low tone still be considered unmarked? I have been ponder...

/p b t d tʃ dʒ k kʷ g gʷ/ <p b t d ch j k kw g gw> /f v θ s z ʃ ʒ h/ <f v th s z sh zh h> /m n/ <m n> /l ɹ j/ <l r y> /i ɪ ʊ u/ <ee i oo ew> /e ɛ ɜ ə ə˞ o/ <ay e u a er oe> /aː æ ɑ ɑ˞/ <ah a o ar> Ambiguous sequences resolved with a hyphen /aː diɪ̯d nɑt hæjə̯v sɛkʃuəl ɹəlɛi̯ʃənz gʷiɪ̯θ dæjə̯t gʷʊmən...

So, if a language has a simple tone system (let's say just high and low), would there be a difference between a low tone melody and a toneless melody? Well, it depends on the language. Usually speaking, if a language has a fairly uncomplicated binary low/high tone distinction, low tone is unmarked....

/p pʰ b t tʰ d k kʰ g kʷ kʷʰ gʷ/ ⟨ p ph b t th d k kh g q qh w ⟩ /s z x ɣ h/ ⟨ s z j v h ⟩ /m n ŋ/ ⟨ m n ng ⟩ /l j w/ ⟨ l y u ⟩ /r/ ⟨ r ⟩ /i iː u uː/ ⟨ i iy o ou ⟩ /a aː/ ⟨ a ae ⟩ Next: /p k ʔ/ /b d̺/ /ɗ̻ ɗ̺/ /m n̻ n̺ ɲ ŋ/ /s̺/ /ʋ ɫ̻ ɾ̺/ stressed vowels: /i ɛ o a/ unstressed vowels: /ɨ ɐ/ All conson...

Probably what eastern Grasslands Click languages will look like:

Nice inventory. Like polynesian but with /f r/. /p t k ʔ/ ⟨ p t k h ⟩ /f v s h/ ⟨ f v s j ⟩ /l/ ⟨ l ⟩ /r/ ⟨ r ⟩ /m n ŋ/ ⟨ m n g ⟩ /i u/ ⟨ i u ⟩ /e o/ ⟨ e o ⟩ /a/ ⟨ a ⟩ Next – Nuxalk but the stops are fricatives, the ejectives are stops and clicks, the fricatives are approximants and the approximants...

I will also point out that all of the attested Lakes Plain microinventories still hold to the typological generalization whereby pairs of consonants of the same PoA are distinguished by MoA, something that seems to be an organizing principle for even the smallest inventories - e.g. Rokotas with the...

The only further I can see /b t d ɸ s/ going would be the loss of /t/, merging with /s/. At what point would people just be talking static? If there is to be a phonemic bounce-back to a larger inventory, I imagine there could be potentially strange phonemes to derive until a most balanced state, li...

Who wants to completely restart this family from scratch? I do! Also since I find it amusing I will be making proto-Click2 peoples unreasonably advanced, with unanalysable words for things like "earplug" and "download speed" and "ballpoint pen". Presumably modern Click2...

Thinking of absolutely obliterating proto-Click with the following inventory: Roots could either be trochees (ˈCV(C)V) or dactyls (ˈCV(C)V(C)V), the latter deriving from earlier trochee+trochee reduplicants. Foot-initial consonants were: p t b d s x Foot-medial consonants were: m n β ɾ ɣ Combined wi...

For some reason I just love Babm. i ʲu u ɜ ɑ b bi dzu bu bœ bɑ g dzi dzu dzu gɜ gɑ ʔ ʔɜ ʔɑ m mi ɲu mu m̩ mɑ ŋ ni ɲu ŋu ŋ̩ ŋɑ l dzi dzu lu ɹ̩ lɑ h s̩ ɸ̩ hɜ xɑ /ʲu/ comes from earlier ɯ, i.e. /i ɯ u ə ɑ/, halfway between Ogami and Chacobo. And while we're at it, /b g ʔ m ŋ l h/ < /b g t,k m n,ŋ d p/. ...

Mmm. I agree. As usual I can't stop myself from reducing the number of consonants as much as possible: /t c k k͡p/ /b ɾ ɟ g͡b/ /i u/ /ẽ/ Syllables C(V) #CC, CC# → CaC CɾC → CɾaC CCC → CaCC At word boundaries /ɾ/ is realised as zero b ɾ ɟ g͡b → m n ɲ ŋ͡m / _ẽ i u → e o / c ɟ k͡p g͡b _ k → c /_i k → k...

South American + Australian + Ramu languages + Hiw + Yimas, perchance? /p pʷ t̺ t̻ ʈ c k kʷ/ /b bʷ d̺ d̻ ɖ ɟ ʔ ʔʷ/ /ɡ͡ʟ w/ /i ɨ/ /ĩ ɨ̃/ Syllable structure is C(V); plain C syllables surface as [Ca]. /i ɨ/ are lowered to [ə ɔ] following /pʷ ʈ c kʷ bʷ ɖ ɟ ʔʷ w/ (what do you mean, of course that's a na...

Ai Over the past few years I've been working on and off on an a posteriori Lakes Plain conlang, something that to my knowledge has never been done before. I made a thread about it previously, but I don't like that version any more, and I now have (hopefully) a better understanding of syntax than I ...

No, actually not, they remain pretty mysterious. They must understand some form of communication because they were able to comprehend the signals send by the group of Fredauon linguists. They also must have some of societal control since they were able to enforce the agreement among individual Othe...

So, on the page for Polysynthesis, Wikipedia lists two types of polysynthetic languages: affixal and compositional. How accurate is this? Is there any overlap between the two in natlangs? If you want a good conlang-specific intro to polysynthesis, there's this guide from the old ZBB. As for Wikiped...