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I've created a document with IPA charts, including consonants, vowels and diacritics. I found it was much easier to create phonologies this way, because you have almost all possible sounds before your eyes. Also it might help to organise already existing phonologies in nice tables. I hope it'll really be helpful. ;-)
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Congratulation, Maximillian, you've done nice and helpful work!
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Nice! It looks tidy. Are you thinking of adding extensions to the IPA?
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Do you mean this? I have added some of them, like the diacritics for unaspirated and interdental consonants; others I didn't find useful. I am thinking of adding clicks, but I have to understand them first, so I can organise it nicely; I don't like the way they're presented in the official IPA charts.Raydred wrote:Nice! It looks tidy. Are you thinking of adding extensions to the IPA?
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Pre-aspiration, ingressive and egressive flow, denasal, labial spreading, nasal fricative, whistled, harsh and faucalized voice, and maybe others may be useful for conlanging. And what is ventricular vibration(it's in the ventricle but does anyone have an example)?
Also I replied when I was in a rush so I didn't notice the lack of clicks, ejectives and implosives. You may want to add another line for those in the first chart.
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Also I replied when I was in a rush so I didn't notice the lack of clicks, ejectives and implosives. You may want to add another line for those in the first chart.
But, well this is yours and it's great. Your the one in charge.
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Some of them can be written using other diacritics (nasal fricative = [z̃]), others are not known to exist in any language and were designed to represent disordered speech; so I'm not sure they're really needed.Raydred wrote:Pre-aspiration, ingressive and egressive flow, denasal, labial spreading, nasal fricative, whistled, harsh and faucalized voice, and maybe others may be useful for conlanging.
I added the diacritic for ejectives under "Articulation", otherwise I would have had to add too many rows, because any consonant can be ejective. Implosives go nicely in the main table, but clicks require their own chart.Raydred wrote:Also I replied when I was in a rush so I didn't notice the lack of clicks, ejectives and implosives. You may want to add another line for those in the first chart.
But it is meant to help others, so any criticism and remarks will be appreciated.Raydred wrote:But, well this is yours and it's great. Your the one in charge.
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I remade the whole thing, added notes and all ExtIPA symbols. But now I'm afraid it's too exhaustive. I need something in between... =\
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I like the more exhaustive document. It saves me from going all over the place searching for specifics. Plus, for newb conlangers, it might dispel the idea that certain features don't exist (because they don't have a way of representing them).
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Ok, it is useful after all then. :-Djseamus wrote:I like the more exhaustive document. It saves me from going all over the place searching for specifics. Plus, for newb conlangers, it might dispel the idea that certain features don't exist (because they don't have a way of representing them).
Also, would it be useful to make a correspondence table between IPA and X-SAMPA? Like this one but prettier.
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Immensely. I was going to suggest it, but I didn't want to sound nagging, asking you to do more when you had already done a great deal.Maximillian wrote:Also, would it be useful to make a correspondence table between IPA and X-SAMPA? Like this one but prettier.
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Ok then, you got it! :-)jseamus wrote:Immensely. I was going to suggest it, but I didn't want to sound nagging, asking you to do more when you had already done a great deal.
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Hm... What makes them so different that clicks need their own chart while implosives don't?Maximillian wrote:Implosives go nicely in the main table, but clicks require their own chart.
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Clicks are usually analyzed as two points of obstruction (one represented by the click symbol and one by another IPA symbol), whereas implosives, egressives, what-have-you are their own independent symbols more often than not.
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Because clicks are made by two articulations:Raydred wrote:Hm... What makes them so different that clicks need their own chart while implosives don't?Maximillian wrote:Implosives go nicely in the main table, but clicks require their own chart.
- first is labial, dental, alveolar, alveolar lateral or postalveolar (palatal)
- second is velar or uvular, can be voiceless, voiced, aspirated, nasal etc.
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Yes but you only need to join the two symbols together as for nasal velar/uvular voiceless/voiced. For aspiration you just need the diacritic. And while we're at it, there's also velaric/uvular ejectives and voice/voiceless implosives. And maybe you can add aspiration to that.Milya0 wrote:Because clicks are made by two articulations:Raydred wrote:Hm... What makes them so different that clicks need their own chart while implosives don't?Maximillian wrote:Implosives go nicely in the main table, but clicks require their own chart.
- first is labial, dental, alveolar, alveolar lateral or postalveolar (palatal)
- second is velar or uvular, can be voiceless, voiced, aspirated, nasal etc.
But I guess this depends on how deep you want to go with this chart.
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Raydred wrote:Hm... What makes them so different that clicks need their own chart while implosives don't?
So, first of, I have to decide which approach to take. For that I need really to understand the subject. And I'm not into it as for now, sorry.Wiki wrote:Clicks are double articulated and have traditionally been described as having a forward “release” and a rear “accompaniment”, with the click letters representing the release. [...] However, recent research disputes the concept of “accompaniment”. In these approaches, the click letter represents both articulations, there is no velar-uvular distinction, and the accompanying letter represents the manner of the click: ‹ǂ, ɡǂ, ŋǂ› etc.
Any consonant can be ejective, so I'll need another table just like that for pulmonic consonants. Implosives are mostly voiced, but there's no problem in adding voiceless too. However, if I make a whole separate section for ejectives and clicks, then why not to put implosives there and call it "Non-pulmonic consonants"?Raydred wrote:And while we're at it, there's also velaric/uvular ejectives and voice/voiceless implosives. And maybe you can add aspiration to that.
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I meant glottalic/velaric/uvular ejectives. I have no idea how to represent it but you can pronounce t' with those three different ways, being the standard the glottalic.Maximillian wrote:Any consonant can be ejective, so I'll need another table just like that for pulmonic consonants. Implosives are mostly voiced, but there's no problem in adding voiceless too. However, if I make a whole separate section for ejectives and clicks, then why not to put implosives there and call it "Non-pulmonic consonants"?
And maybe you could do a little chart for each Ejectives, Implosives and Clicks. Or do a general chart fo the three as you said: "Non-pulmonic consonants".
I prefer the latter.
I think maybe you could change the usual "non-pulmonic consonants" chart and make it more similiar to the pulmonic consonants chart with some tweaks:
-The columns would represent place of articulation
-The lines manner of articulation.
-And add a line in between when you start with a new type of airstream.
Edit:Also do you want a click chart like this one at the bottom? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Click_consonant I'd go for a more simple version over that one because given the pulmonic consonants symbols and the clicks ones people can create that chart on their own.
Also I just thought of adding pulmonic ingressives but that's used so rarely that it's probably be worth it.
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Hm?.. Ejectives are glottalic egressive consonants. Uvular ejective would be /qʼ/.Raydred wrote:I meant glottalic/velaric/uvular ejectives. I have no idea how to represent it but you can pronounce t' with those three different ways, being the standard the glottalic.
I did make a general chart for all the three, just like in the official IPA. As I said, any consonant can be realised as ejective, so just take the chart for pulmonic consonants and add "ʼ" to each symbol there. There are only 5 official symbols for implosive consonants, so there's no real need in a separate table. And as for clicks, they're still too complicated for me right now. :-(Raydred wrote:And maybe you could do a little chart for each Ejectives, Implosives and Clicks. Or do a general chart fo the three as you said: "Non-pulmonic consonants".
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What I mean is the distinction between Glottalic/Uvular/Velaric egressives.Maximillian wrote:Hm?.. Ejectives are glottalic egressive consonants. Uvular ejective would be /qʼ/.Raydred wrote:I meant glottalic/velaric/uvular ejectives. I have no idea how to represent it but you can pronounce t' with those three different ways, being the standard the glottalic.I did make a general chart for all the three, just like in the official IPA. As I said, any consonant can be realised as ejective, so just take the chart for pulmonic consonants and add "ʼ" to each symbol there. There are only 5 official symbols for implosive consonants, so there's no real need in a separate table. And as for clicks, they're still too complicated for me right now. :-(Raydred wrote:And maybe you could do a little chart for each Ejectives, Implosives and Clicks. Or do a general chart fo the three as you said: "Non-pulmonic consonants".
And I meant doing a chart for non-pulmonic consonants in the same way as the pulmonic consonant chart.
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It's a good idea, but where would you include k͜ʘ? In velars? In labials? What about g͜ʘ? And q͜ʘ? And q͜ǃ?Raydred wrote:And I meant doing a chart for non-pulmonic consonants in the same way as the pulmonic consonant chart.
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