Conlanger stereotype poll

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Reyzadren wrote: 16 Apr 2019 00:32 Long answer: Administratively, I was grouped as Other in some places, but not in other places.
Curious that Someplace accepted your Otherness, while Otherplace did not...
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Khemehekis wrote: 15 Apr 2019 08:06
elemtilas wrote: 15 Apr 2019 08:03 I don't identify as any ethnicity. Especially when it comes to the ones on typical lists.
Not even Filipino?
Too tall.
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Oh, why the heck not.

1. Gender: The subject of significant consternation for several years now. Probably male.
2. Sexual orientation: Probably asexual.
3. Handedness: Right-handed.
4. Nationality: American, but raised in various countries around the Lesser Antilles. Currently living in Illinois.
5. Ethnicity: White, mostly Irish (mother dearest qualifies for citizenship, but I do not) and Czech.
6. Neurotype: Sensory processing disorder, probably some undiagnosed developmental thing along the lines of ADD.
7. Health conditions and physical disabilities: None.
8. Glasses: Yup.
9. Facial hair: Someday.
10. Body type: Average / rather skinny / can't do a push-up.
11. Subculture: Steampunk and whatever variety of 'nerd' applies to someone in five tabletop campaigns.
12. Pets: A cat. Hermit crabs for years, but not currently.
13. Religion: Agnostic polytheist. (I don't know if there's a god, but if so, I expect there's more than one.)
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Results so far . . .

With a sample size of 24 . . .

Gender

cismale: 22
cisfemale: 1
transmale: 1

Sexual orientation

straight: 11
gay: 6
bisexual: 4
asexual: 2
not sure/questioning: 1

Handedness

right-handed: 18
cross-handed: 3
ambidextrous: 2
left-handed: 1 (wha--?)

Nationality (adds up to 25 because one person had dual citizenship)

American: 14 (2 from California, 2 from Michigan 1 from Florida, 1 from Illinois, 1 from Kansas, 1 from Massachusetts, 1 from New York, 1 from North Carolina, 1 from Ohio, 1 from Pennsylvania, 1 from South Carolina, 1 from Washington State)
British: 3 (all 3 from England)
Australian: 1
Canadian: 1 (1 from Ontario)
Czech: 1
Dutch: 1
Irish: 1
Polish: 1
Russian: 1
Non-canon: 1

Ethnicity (many people with multiple ancestries)

Simply identify as White person in Anglophone nation: 8
German: 2
Jewish: 2
Polish: 2
Austrian: 1
Czech: 1
Dutch: 1
English: 1
French: 1
Hungarian: 1
Irish: 1
Peruvian: 1
Roma: 1
Russian: 1
Scottish: 1
Sicilian: 1
Slovak: 1
Somali: 1
Ukrainian: 1
"General American": 1
Mixed (ingredients not specified): 1
Other: 1

Or analyzed differently:

8 people had an Anglophone nationality and identified as a generic White person, while an additional 3 lived in Anglophone countries and had strictly Western European ancestry (but identified with a particular ancestry).

4 people lived in Continental Europe and identified with the usual ethnicity of their nationality (the German who identifies as German, the Italian who identifies as Italian, the Pole who identifies as Polish, etc.)

1 was a mix of Eastern European and Sicilian.

1 was a mix of Eastern European and Roma.

1 was a mix of Eastern European, Western European, and Peruvian.

2 were Jewish.

1 was Somali.

3 gave non-specifying answers: "mixed", "other", "General American".

Neurotype (many people with multiple diagnoses)

8 with Asperger's
7 neurotypicals
5 with depression + 1 with seasonal depression
5 with OCD
2 with ADD + 1 with ADHD
1 with generalized anxiety disorder
1 with prosopagnosia
1 with sensory processing disorder
1 with synaesthesia
1 with no idea
1 who says "nothing I'm aware of"
1 who says "probably undiagnosed neuroatypical"

It's worth noting that 4 people simultaneously had Asperger's and OCD.

Health conditions and physical disabilities (many people with multiple)

11 with none
6 with allergies
4 with asthma
3 with diabetes
2 with tinnitus
1 with anosmia
1 with auditory processing disorder
1 with autoimmune issues
1 balance-disabled
1 with celiac
1 with cystic fibrosis
1 with hearing impairment
1 with scoliosis
1 who says "nothing I'm aware of"

Glasses

yes: 12
no: 8
only when driving: 3
contacts instead of glasses: 1

Facial hair

none: 10
beard: 3
goatee: 3
all of it/never shaved/my wife won't let me shave: 3
varies/depends on how I'm feeling: 2
barely: 1
someday: 1
yes (type not specified): 1

Body type

average: 7
underweight: 7
overweight: 4
obese: 3
muscular: 1
"skinny fat": 1
fluctuates: 1

Subculture (many with multiple subcultures)

nerd: 13
metalhead: 7
loner: 5
no subculture/too old for subcultures: 5
beatnik: 1
expat: 1
geek: 1
hipster: 1
musician: 1
preppy: 1
steampunk: 1
thespian: 1
weeaboo: 1

Pets (many with multiple species of pet)

cat(s): 8 (+ 2 who used to have cats)
dog(s): 6 (+ 1 who used to have dogs)
reptiles: 2 (one has bearded dragons, 1 a gecko, and 1 a python)
gerbil(s): 1
hamster(s): 1
parakeet(s): 1
rabbit(s): 1

Religion

agnostic: 6
atheist: 6
Protestant: 3 (one is Baptist, 1 almost Lutheran but hasn't been catechized yet, and 1 nondenominational Protestant)
Islamic: 2
Christian, denomination a secret: 1
deist: 1
irreligious: 1
Jewish: 1
nonreligious theist/universalist: 1
agnostic polytheist: 1 (that's an original take on it, Kiwikami!)
no religion (form of nonreligion not specified): 1
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1. Cismale.
2. Straight.
3. Right handed, except if writing right to left (then I switch my handedness).
4. Polish (Masovian voivodship, for specification).
5. Polish, with secondary Podlasian indentification.
6. ADHD diagnosed, suspected Asperger's.
7. No medical conditions that I know of. (Maybe asthma, but never were diagnosed)
8. No glasses.
9. Very slight, I attempt to remember about shaving it once a time.
10. Everyone says I'm underweight, bit I claim I have correct weight and I am just slim.
11. I'm a loner, I rarely even talk to anyone besides my closest family.
12. I've got two cats and another wild one just came to eat and he become kind of mine.
13. Roman Catholic.
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Thanks to CivilixXXX for his answers . . . and I just noticed something mindblowing.

25 people have taken the survey so far, on this board, and not one of them listed his or her nationality as Swedish!

What are the odds of that? [o.O]
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Khemehekis wrote: 05 Oct 2019 02:20 Thanks to CivilixXXX for his answers . . . and I just noticed something mindblowing.

25 people have taken the survey so far, on this board, and not one of them listed his or her nationality as Swedish!

What are the odds of that? [o.O]
I assume you could find more in the "You" thread which only goes back to 2014 now (hell, I think I've posted in there about three or four times [:P] ). There's some overlap, but not much.

And now... to answer these questions [:P]
You can tell the same lie a thousand times,
But it never gets any more true,
So close your eyes once more and once more believe
That they all still believe in you.
Just one time.
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Gender: cis-male

Sexual orientation: Bisexual

Handedness: Right-handed in almost all regards (we tried writing with out non-dominant hands the other day at work... turns out I write "mirrored" when using my left hand, which is interesting)

Nationality: British, specifically North Yorkshire

Ethnicity you primarily identify with: White British

Neurotype Somewhere on the Asperger's side of things, and a fairly strong tendency towards depression and anxiety which appears to be genetic.

Health conditions and physical disabilities: None, really.

Do you wear glasses? Yep. Short-sighted... terribly short-sighted (holding my own hand at arms length, my hand is blurry)

Facial hair: I don't remember the last time I shaved [:P]

Body type: Overweight, at 5'7" and 16st. Unfortunately I seem to eat when I'm bored, but have no motivation right now to do anything.

Subculture: Metalhead + Nerd

Species/breed of pets: 3 bearded dragons, 1 royal python, 1 leopard gecko

Religion: No religion, more or less agnostic atheist.
You can tell the same lie a thousand times,
But it never gets any more true,
So close your eyes once more and once more believe
That they all still believe in you.
Just one time.
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Wow, I thought there were more women here. But not everyone answered this poll, so who knows?
Anyway:

1. Female
2. Not sure
3. Right-handed
4. Israeli (I have a German citizenship but have never lived there so I don't count it)
5. Jewish; family originaly came from Russia, Germany and I think also Romania
6. A mild sensory processing... thing and social anxiety
7. Nothing that I know of
8. No glasses
9.Luckily, no [:P]
10. Avarage on the thin side, not athletic at all
11. I don't even know what some of the example subcultures are. I'm kind of a general nerd who likes science and history and weird useless facts and fictional worlds. If birders are a subculture, than I'm also that :)
12. A very old cat at my parents' house (where I am right now) and no pets in my small student appartment.
13. Agnostic. I do celebrate some holidays but more as a culture and family thing
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1) Cismale
2) Straight (but frustratingly probably somewhere on the greyromatic/greysexual spectrum)
3) Right-handed
4) Australian+American citizenships, born in California, lived in Missouri since I was 11, with a 7 year stint in Iowa for college and grad school.
5) Irish/Welsh on one side, German on the other
6) Probably slightly ADD, but I've never been diagnosed, and can cope well enough so I don't worry about it.
7) Bad joints (knees and shoulders)
8) Yes, very nearsighted (20/400 vision)
9) Short Boxed Beard I keep to about 1/4-1/2 inch
10) Average build (6', 205 lb, trying to get down to 175)
11) Loner/nerd/geek/slight metalhead
12) 1 corgi named Tedward
13) Deist practiced through Quakerism
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Herra Ratatoskr wrote: 05 Oct 2019 18:19 13) Deist practiced through Quakerism
Yay! Another deist!
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Khemehekis wrote: 11 Oct 2019 05:23
Herra Ratatoskr wrote: 05 Oct 2019 18:19 13) Deist practiced through Quakerism
Yay! Another deist!
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1. Gender: Trans male
2. Sexual orientation: Bisexual
3. Handedness: Right handed
4. Nationality: American, Kentucky
5. Ethnicity you primarily identify with: European, if that counts
6. Neurotype: Unable to be diagnosed, however I almost certainly have Aspergers and synesthesia.
7. Health conditions and physical disabilities: Allergies to tree nuts
8. Do you wear glasses? Yes
9. Facial hair: None
10. Body type: Average
11. Subculture: I honestly have no idea, I just am
12. Species/breed of pets: 2 budgerigars, one domestic short hair cat and one coon hound dog.
13. Religion: Agnostic leaning strongly atheist
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Yay! Another synaesthete!
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Khemehekis wrote: 29 Sep 2020 23:32
?oh whither awa

whither awa o ye gay
ye gay & bearded
ye lefthanded
ye lithuanian langmakers
of old time lang syne
gone from us and lorn
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1. Gender: Male.
2. Sexual orientation: Probably straight.
3. Handedness: Right-handed.
4. Nationality: Australian.
5. Ethnicity: Australian.
Anglo and Jewish-Prussian on one side. Eastern European and Southern European on the other. The cool thing is I'm Scottish on both sides, great-grandmother immigrates from Scotland to Serbia of all places.
6. Neurotype: Crippling social anxiety and very mild learning disability.
7. Health conditions and physical disabilities: Very mild tinnitus, visual snow, photophobia, severely near-sighted.
8. Glasses: Yes.
9. Facial hair: Yep, everywhere and grows quite fast. I look like a hobo if I don't at least do the neck and cheeks every two days.
10. Body type: Hard to say: I'm tall, I'm a little overweight but the clothes hide it. I can do about 28 pushups, 10 pullups and deadlift 175kg. Mesomorph.
11. Subculture: Nerd.
12. Pets: Dog.
13. Religion: Probably Agnostic. I could say more, but I would change my mind on it every day.
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Did we ever figure out what the stereotype is anymore?
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Wondering who's the most and least stereotypical for a conlanger? Here are the results (for the 29 respondents we have so far)!

I've arranged os all from least stereotypical to most stereotypical. This was my methodology.

The archetypal conlanger's response counted as a 2 (or, on the subculture question, 3). The "society's norm" response, in most cases, counted as a 0. In-between/"other" answers counted as a 1.

Breaking it down question by question:

Cismale was 2 points, cisfemale 0 points, and anything else 1 point. This one was a bit of the twist of the overarching, guiding scoring principle, because straight White MALES have the easiest time in Western society, but most conlangers are cismales, and at least among humans, women are the more likely gender to be neurotypical and "normal", un-conlangerly, in other words.

Gay was worth 2 points, and straight worth 0 points. Bisexual, asexual, non-binary/transgender, or questioning was worth 1 point.

Right-handed was worth 0 points and left-handed 2 points. Ambidextrous or cross-handed was worth 1 point.

As for nationality, Western countries (including just about anywhere considered Europe) were worth 2 points. Places like Russia were worth 1 point. Countries like China or Argentina were worth 0 points.

For ethnic identification, I gave out 2's to two types of responses, reflecting the bimodal norm among conlangers. Continental Europeans who identified with the usual ethnicity of their nation (Poles who identify as Polish, Spaniards who identify as Spanish, Germans who identify as German, etc.) got 2 points, as did people in Anglosphere countries who simply identified as a generic White American, or White Brit, or White Australian, or whatever. At the other end were "minority" groups (except for Jewish, Armenian, Spaniards and Portuguese from Europe, or the Uralic groups), like Chinese, Mexican, African-American, Somali, Filipino, Arab, or Argentinian -- these were worth 0 points. In the middle, 1 point went to people who identified as Jewish, Armenian, Finnish or Estonian or Saami, but not being from Finland/Estonia/Lapland, people who identified as Spaniard or Portuguese but weren't from Spain or Portugal, as well as a lot of strictly White responses: the American who identifies as German or Italian or Swedish or Polish, the Scot who identifies as Italian, the Serbian who identifies as English, the Frenchman living in Vietnam, etc.

For neurotype, Asperger's and other ASD's were worth 2 points. Neurotypical was worth 0 points. People who didn't have an ASD but had other forms of neurodivergence (like ADD or bipolar) as well as those who were sure they were neuroAtypical got 1 point.

For health conditions and physical disabilities, asthma, allergies, and other autoimmune disorders were worth 2 points. People who didn't have any of those but one or two or three other health conditions scored 1 point. People with none scored 0 points.

People who wear glasses scored 2 points. People who never wear anything to correct their vision scored 0 points. People who wear contacts, or only wear their glasses when driving, scored 1 point.

People with beards or goatees or who never shave anywhere scored 2 points (we all know conlangers are bearded). People who are clean-shaven scored 0 points, including the ladies. Guys who have moustaches or sideburns or a soul patch but no beard scored 1 point, as for people who sometimes shave and sometimes don't.

People who are overweight or obese scored 2 points, while people who are average or muscular/mesomorphs scored 0 points. Underweight or fluctuant people scored 1 point.

Subculture allowed a range of 4 values instead of the usual 3. More than half of the conlangers who responded to this survey were nerds! Almost everyone checked off either nerd, metalhead, loner, or "no subculture", with only a few outliers (such as yours truly). Nerd was valued at 3 points, while people who didn't check off nerd but did say they were metalhead, loner, or no subculture/too old for subcultures scored 2 points. Preppy, jock, redneck, and prep/Aberzombie were worth 0 points each. Anything else -- slacker, goth, hippie, hipster, emo, beatnik, seapunk, surfer, hip-hop, VSCO girl, sadboi, even expat -- was worth 1 point. Even though he included "nerd" among other subcultures, I also gave KaiTheHomoSapien 1 point on this, because he had such an interesting, large, and wide array of responses that are seldom seen among conlangers.

Pets! People who have or used to have cats, the stereotypical conlanger's familiar, scored 2 points. People with only dogs, America's favorite pet, scored 0 points. People with no pets, or who didn't have pets but had at least one pet besides a dog, like Sangi's reptiles, scored 1 point.

Finally comes religion. Atheists, so ubiquitous on the Web, scored 2 points, while those who were Protestant, Anglican/Episcopalian, or Catholic, or an unspecified form of Christian, scored 0 points -- the norm in the West. Everything else -- agnostic, deist, Mormon, Orthodox Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Unitarian, Buddhist, Hindu, Baha'i, Scientologist, Raëlian, ECKANKAR, ignostic, Rastafarian, Pastafarian, Wiccan, or even Kiwikami's agnostic polytheist -- scored 1 point.

So that's how I scored it. Here's what we all scored:

SCREENNAME SCORE
rgj40q 8
Tuyono 8
Reyzadren 10
CarsonDaConlanger 12
alynnidalar 13
CivilixXXX 13
KaiTheHomoSapien 13
Herra Ratatoskr 14
Lao Kou 14
Imralu 15
jimydog000 15
Khemehekis 15
Jackk 16
kiwikami 16
Lambuzhao 16
Linguifex 16
LinguoFranco 16
opipik 16
OtheB 16
this_is_an_account 16
rainbowcult 17
SliV 17
vampireshark 17
All4Ɇn 18
gestaltist 18
Ahzoh 19
Shemtov 19
eldin raigmore 21
sangi39 21

The mean was 15.34, the median was 16, and the mode was 16.
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I have NEVER before been told I fit in so well!
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eldin raigmore wrote: 06 Oct 2020 02:18 I have NEVER before been told I fit in so well!
[:D]

I see you tie with Sangi39 for the conlangeriest conlanger here.
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