The Sixth Conversation Thread

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Bob wrote:
18 Jul 2020 06:45
Logographic scripts is my thing and from what people tell me, my conlangs aren't so great. I think they're great, though, but I just focus on little things for them.
It would actually help you very much if, in stead of focusing on nebulous posts that lack content, you started a thread in Conlangs and actually showed us your own invented languages! I can't speak for anyone else, but I think in all of the communities you post to, the vast majority of people simply don't care all that much about commercial conlangs. We're much more interested in and are much more likely to respond positively to an exposition of your own creativity.

I don't care if your invented languages are big or small, horrible or wonderful. I would just like to see some actual content posts from you of a glossopoetic nature!

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Perhaps, rather than passive aggression, you could respond to posts you "simply don't care all that much about" by ignoring them?

Nobody here is under any obligation to entertain you, or anybody else. The rubric at the top up there says "discuss constructed languages, cultures, worlds, related sciences and much more" - which is exactly what Bob is doing. There is no obligation to be an active conlanger to post here; nor is there any requirement for an active conlanger to share their material with you if you don't want to. You've already suggested that Bob do so, and they haven't: maybe you should take the hint and not try to pressure them into doing something they clearly don't yet want to do.

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Just to step in, because I suspect this is something bigger than a "just post your conlangs" issue, but Sal is right. While this forum, in broad terms is "for conlangers" it isn't solely a place for presentation of work (looking at the list of members vs. the number of threads dedicated to showing off specific conlangs, I'd hazard a guess that the majority of users on the CBB don't present their work), but it's also a place to discuss conlangs, related topics like conworlds, linguistics, anthropology, etc., and to ask questions.



As for the wider context, which has been pointed out by a couple of users here already, and which the Mods are aware of, please try to not bring it from other forums to this one.
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sangi39 wrote:
19 Jul 2020 18:59
Just to step in, because I suspect this is something bigger than a "just post your conlangs" issue, but Sal is right. While this forum, in broad terms is "for conlangers" it isn't solely a place for presentation of work (looking at the list of members vs. the number of threads dedicated to showing off specific conlangs, I'd hazard a guess that the majority of users on the CBB don't present their work), but it's also a place to discuss conlangs, related topics like conworlds, linguistics, anthropology, etc., and to ask questions.
You are correct! Salmoneus, as he often does, has determined what I am thinking and has assigned to me a particular set of behaviours when he has no knowledge of the situation or awareness of the context. I am glad you stepped in, however!

I have absolutely no qualms with Bob posting his work on Atlantean or Pakuni, and never have. That Salmoneus has put words in my mouth, I do have qualms with that. I just want to see more of Bob's own work! And I see no reason why we shouldn't continue to encourage others to share! I see this as a positive action.

The fact of the matter is, had Salmoneus actually read the exchange, he would have noticed that I am simply encouraging Bob, who is an active language inventor!, to show us some of that work! Salmoneous is not aware of this, but I do read almost all of Bob's posts, and have done so over the last 14 years, and have taken an interest in various aspects of his work on third party languages. Here, I am simply expressing the desire to see more of his own original work.

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I suggest everyone move on. Everyone's said their part - the purpose if the CBB has been stated, Bob can post his conlangs, or not, as is he sees fit, and has been encouraged to do do (but if he doesn't want to take up that advice, then that's fair).

The usual rules apply, if you don't want to reply then don't, if you want to encourage someone to share then so, but don't go do far as to pester, and, if course, try to be civil where best you can.
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PSA:

Just to let everyone know that Jack Bradley (Conlang-L) has edited and published a nice little book called Vatum, a quarterly collection of original literature written in invented languages. Can be read online or purchased via Lulu. All are welcome to submit for future editions.

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I've posted a bunch of conlangs to my website and Zompist Bboard under this name.

https://anylanguageatall411.blogspot.co ... w=flipcard

My conlangs are really great but not in the usual way. I got a BA Linguistics but am a unique and pioneering scholar of all 50 known hieroglyphic (logographic) writing systems. I also have done unique work studying and deciphering conlangs from famous books, tv, and movies. I put all my studies in my conlangs. But they don't have such complex grammars and they're not very realistic. They're also heavy on logographic writing system stuff because that's my thing. And most of the work I do with conlangs are with these book tv and movie conlangs that I took so much time to decipher.

Anyway, I think I originally posted about this here but then moved the post to a new thread in the Conlangs forum that nobody's responded to.

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Bob wrote:
21 Jul 2020 00:46
...that nobody's responded to.
Interesting. To be sure.

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Bob wrote:
18 Jul 2020 06:45
I forget if I ever read the grammar of Kankonian. If I did, it would have been more than 2 years ago and I study a lot of conlangs that people post online.
You can find my Kankonian grammar at http://khemehekis.angelfire.com/basic.htm
I study word meanings a lot in a ton of languages, so I can totally relate to what you've done here.
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and:Implied.Adjective : I never encountered this in a real language. It could happen, though.
Woo-hoo! Is this something that's for once beyonf ANADEW?
Specifically adult dog : I specialize in words about animals and their etymology and I think this is rare in natural languages.
You're saying it's rare, but it is known?
A complete dictionary from it soon? Oh, there's not much interest in Okrand's Atlantean. We had a Bruce Irving recently come on and make 200 "hand-crafted" words for us but other than that, the most that happens with this language is that recently and in 2018, I translated about 20 and 5 pages of text into the language and make up new words and grammar for that. The 20 year old facebook group I run for the language now has 500 members but few ever do anything.
Yeah, I was under the impression that there wasn't much interest. I've never heard the name Bruce Irving; does he post under any screennames (along the lines of me posting as "Khemehekis", or Mark Rosenfelder posting as "Zompist"?)
I worked almost all of the corpus and dictionary out, mostly starting 2006. I recently did a complete, hand-written revision.
Impressive!
I have also studied Klingon and done some translations into it. But it's not exactly Klingon, I think it's like a "learner's Klingon" or "alternative Klingon" that I made which is easier to translate into and allows me to make up new words and grammar at will.
So it's not canon?
Well, if you suggest I vote, well, sure, I'll vote.
Thank you!

I see you voted both of them up. They both got in; "headphones" is DannI' (Dany being a Pakistani headphone manufacturer), and "disorder, disability, syndrome, condition" is HarqIn (after Tom Harkin, the senator who championed the Americans with Disabilities Act).
Aside from that one big Proto-Indo-European one, I just did one that's like an Ancient Bantu language, which is one of the major branches of the Niger-Congo languages of Africa. But the words are slightly altered Swahili and I had no reference to a Proto-Niger-Congo or Proto-Bantu or anything like that. I studied a ton of Bantu languages using my limited resources and made it based on them and then just stuff I made up. It's a lot like Swahili.
I'm sure the people on this board would want to hear about it; it's not every day someone creates a Bantu conlang on this board!

All4Ɇn has a Southeast Asian conlang here, which can be written either with a Vietnamese-style romanization or with Chinese characters, and I love it!
I haven't met them. I'm not sure if I've seen Linguifex with his Caber logograms.
Check out this thread. I think you'll like it:

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=4825&p=197597&hilit ... ms#p197597
I hope you can get it online. It sounds really interesting to me.
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