The glebst of gleb, CBB edition

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The glebst of gleb, CBB edition

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Post particularly weird phonologies from Gleb here.


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Here's one with a more extreme Germanic-type vowel system, but with back unrounded vowels instead of front rounded, and a rhotic vowel instead. The consonant system is also pretty crazy, with /ʀ̆ʷ/ being the only phonemically labialized consonant.

G̃ʌʌnpag̃vv /ŋgʌːnpaŋgʊ̜ː/


Nasal m n ŋʲ ŋ <m n ɲ ŋ>
Stop pʰ p mb tʰ t nd t͡sʰ t͡s nd͡z k̟ʰ k̟ ŋg̟ kʰ k ŋg <p b b̃ t d d̃ c z z̃ ç j j̃ k g g̃>
Fricative s nz <s s̃>
Resonant ɹ ʀ̆ ʀ̆ʷ <l r rw~wr>

Vowels
Front Central Back
High i iː ɯ ɯː u uː <i ii y yy u uu>
Near-high ɪ ɪː ʊ̜ ʊ̜ː ʊ ʊː <ɪ ɪɪ v vv ʊ ʊʊ>
Mid-high e eː ɤ ɤː o oː <e ee ə əə o oo>
Mid-low ɛ ɛː ʌ ʌː ɔ ɔː <ɛ ɛɛ ʌ ʌʌ ɔ ɔɔ>
Low a aː a˞ aː˞ ɒ ɒː <a aa ã ãã ɑ ɑɑ>


/tɯɹŋo:na˞ɹʀ̆ʷ o:ŋnd͡za˞kɤ: a: kʰu:ɤk a:ŋ͡g meʀ̆ʷʀ̆ʷan? ʊ:mksaʀ̆ʷuɹ ɔʀ̆ʷeʀ̆ʀ̆ʷnd͡zamŋuʀ̆ŋ͡g ŋɛʀ̆ŋ͡g ni:ŋ͡gnd͡zoni:ŋɹu: n͡doʀ̆e:ʀ̆ʷʀ̆ʷ kʲʰa˞ɹɪŋ! kʰɛ:ʀ̆ʷ n͡dɪ:ŋ͡ge:m kiʀ̆ʷŋ͡gʌ:ʀ̆a˞ɹŋ ŋ͡ganka˞:ɹ e:ŋʲkʲɛŋʲŋ͡g./
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Re: The glebst of gleb, CBB edition

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I had a nice one yesterday.
Consonants
/m n/
/p t ts k ʔ/
/f θ̺ s h/
/β̞ l/

Vowels:
/i u/
/ɛ ɔ/
/a/

Syllable Structure:
CVC
/θ̺/, /ts/ cannot be codas.

As usual, there is a long list of assimilations. The most jarring effect is that a nasal-obstruent cluster fuses into a geminate voiceless nasal. The rules state that nasals assimilate in place and voicing and obstruents (except /h/) become nasals in these clusters. That looks both unique and natural to me.

Examples:
/pankik/ [paŋ̊ŋ̊ik]
/suntsa/ [sun̥n̥a]
/kɔnpa/ [kɔm̊m̊a]
/funθ̺ɔt/ [fun̥n̥ɔt]
/tsantatθ̺ɛ/ [tsan̥n̥atθ̺ɛ]
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Re: The glebst of gleb, CBB edition

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/m n̻ ŋ/
/pʰ p ɓ̰ tʰ̻ t̻ ɗ̰̻ kʰ k/
/f h/ (yes, these are the only fricatives, there is no coronal)
/l w/

/i ɨ u/
/ɪ̈/ (odd, you'd expect this to lower)
/ɛ ɔ/
/a/

/il̻ɔk/ [il̻ɔk]
/kʰapl̻ɛkʰ/ [qʰapl̻̥ɛkʰ]
/tʰ̻apn̻ɨk/ [tʰ̻abn̻ɨk]
/mikʰn̻ɛn̻l̻/ [mikn̻̥ɪn̻l̻̥]
/l̻ɛt̻ka/ [l̻ɛt̻qa]
/mɪ̈pʰɛŋ/ [mɪ̈pʰɪŋ̥]
/tʰ̻ɛfhil̻t̻/ [tʰ̻ɛfhil̻̥t̻]
/ŋul̻t̻ut̻/ [ŋul̻̥t̻ut̻]
/mɛn̻af/ [mɪn̻af]
/pʰɔwmɪ̈t̻/ [pʰɔo̯mɪ̈t̻]
/paɔl̻t̻/ [paɔl̻̥t̻]
/fak/ [fak]
/ɪ̈t̻/ [ɪ̈t̻]
/pan̻ɛt̻/ [pan̻ɛt̻]
/ik/ [ik]
/kʰut̻ak/ [kʰut̻ak]
/wɛ/ [wɛ]
/t̻ul̻ɛt̻/ [t̻ul̻ɛt̻]
/pɔt̻ak/ [pɔt̻ak]
/kʰɔmkt̻a/ [qʰʊŋ̥kt̻a]
/kʰan̻ɪ̈p/ [qʰan̻ɪ̈p]
/ŋɛpʰpɛk/ [ŋɛppɛk]
/mɛl̻ift̻/ [mɛl̻ift̻]
/n̻al̻ut̻/ [n̻al̻ut̻]
/n̻uk/ [n̻uk]
/ŋifɔm/ [ŋifʊm̥]
/fɔtʰ̻t̻ap/ [fɔt̻t̻ap]
/pɛwɔ/ [pɛo̯ɔ]
/kikɔtʰ̻/ [keqɔtʰ̻]
/kʰal̻t̻kak/ [qʰal̻̥t̻qak]
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Re: The glebst of gleb, CBB edition

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What are the phonological processes. I see some voicing assimilations in consonants, but what about the vowel changes?
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Re: The glebst of gleb, CBB edition

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Velars become uvulars before non-front non-high vowels (attested somewhere, I'm sure); mid vowels raise before nasals, /w/ is /o̯/ adjacent to mid or low vowels, high vowels lower before uvulars.
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The mid vowel raising is interesting because it creates surface minimal pairs between [ɪ̈] and [ɪ]. It also interacts opaque with the uvularization IINM, see /kʰɔmkt̻a/ [qʰʊŋ̥kt̻a] where in the surface [q] is adjacent to a high vowel.
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Re: The glebst of gleb, CBB edition

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Phonemic inventory

Consonants

Nasals: /m̤ m n̤ n ɳ̤ ɳ ŋ̤ ŋ/
Stops: /pʰ p pʼ b̤ b ɓ tʰ t tʼ d̤ d ɗ ʈʰ ʈ ʈʼ ɖ̤ ɖ ɗ̢ kʰ k kʼ g̤ g ʔ/ (Is such a 6-way contrast attested?)
Fricatives: /f v s z ʂ ʐ x ɣ/
Approximants: /l̤ l ɭ̤ ɭ/

Vowels: /i i̤ o o̤ a a̤/

Syllable structure

(C1)(C2)V(C3)

C1: one of /m̤ m n̤ n ɳ̤ ɳ ŋ̤ ŋ pʰ p pʼ tʰ t tʼ ʈʰ ʈ ʈʼ kʰ k kʼ ʔ ɓ ɗ ɗ̢ f s ʂ x l̤ l ɭ̤ ɭ/
C2: a consonant
V: a vowel
C3: one of /m̤ m n̤ n ɳ̤ ɳ ŋ̤ ŋ pʰ p pʼ tʰ t tʼ ʈʰ ʈ ʈʼ kʰ k kʼ ʔ ɓ ɗ ɗ̢ f s ʂ x l̤ l ɭ̤ ɭ/

This is also weird, /pʰpʰa̤pʰ/ is a valid syllable, and does not change under allophony either unless it is word-final.

Allophony

Non-implosive stops [pʰ t ɖ̤ ...] persistently assimilate in aspiration to a following consonant other than an approximant lateral and become unaspirated word-finally. Before an aspirated stop or nasal, ejective stops become non-ejective.
Non-implosive stops [pʰ t ɖ̤ ...] assimilate in aspiration to a following consonant other than an approximant lateral. Before an aspirated stop or nasal, ejective stops become non-ejective.
Non-retroflex alveolar consonants [n̤ tʼ s ...] persistently become retroflex [ɳ̤ ʈʼ ʂ ...] after a retroflex consonant.
Non-retroflex alveolar consonants [n̤ tʼ s ...] become retroflex [ɳ̤ ʈʼ ʂ ...] after a retroflex consonant.
Unaspirated voiced vowels and non-glottal fricative voiced consonants other than fricatives or implosives [m b l ...] become breathy-voiced [m̤ b̤ l̤ ...] before a breathy-voiced consonant.
Velar stops or nasals [ŋ̤ kʰ kʼ ...] become fricatives [ x x ...] after a low lax vowel. Aspirated stops or nasals become unaspirated; [kʼ] become [x]; [ŋ] become [ɰ̃].
[ʔ] are deleted between a vowel or semivowel and a vowel or an approximant.
Non-implosive obstruents [pʰ d g̤ ...] persistently assimilate in voice to a preceding non-nasal consonant other than an approximant. After a voiced obstruent, ejective stops become non-ejective implosives.
Unaspirated voiced vowels and non-glottal fricative voiced consonants other than fricatives or implosives [m b l ...] become breathy-voiced [m̤ b̤ l̤ ...] after a breathy-voiced consonant. [ɰ̃] are deleted.
[n̤ n ɳ̤ ɳ ʈʰ ʈ ʈʼ ɖ̤ ɖ ɗ̢ s z ʂ ʐ ɭ̤ ɭ] persistently assimilate in anteriority and retroflexion to a following coronal consonant other than a stop or nasal.
Nasals [m̤ n̤ ɳ ...] become nasals and assimilate in place of articulation to a following obstruent or nasal.
Non-implosive obstruents [pʰ d g̤ ...] persistently assimilate in voice to a following obstruent. Before a voiced obstruent, ejective stops become non-ejective implosives.
Unaspirated voiced vowels and non-glottal fricative voiced approximants [ɰ̃ ɭ o ...] become creaky-voiced [ ɗˡ̢ o̰ ...] after a glottal stop. Approximants become non-ejective obstruents or nasals.
Unaspirated obstruents other than [f s ʂ x], i.e. [p ʈʼ ɗˡ ...], assimilate in glottalisation to a preceding non-nasal consonant other than an approximant. After an ejective consonant, non-implosive voiced obstruents become non-glottalised; non-velar non-implosive voiced obstruents become implosive; [v] become [ɓ].
Non-nasal consonants other than implosive obstruents or approximants [pʰ d g ...] persistently assimilate in voice to a preceding consonant other than an approximant. After a voiced obstruent or nasal, ejective consonants become non-glottalised implosive.
Velar consonants [ŋ̤ k g ...] become rounded [ŋʷ̤ kʷ gʷ ...] before a mid-high rounded vowel.
Unrounded consonants [m̤ d̤ ɗ̢ ...] become rounded [ŋʷ̤ dʷ̤ ɗʷ̢ ...] before a rounded consonant. Labial obstruents or nasals become non-labial velar.
High vowels [i i̤ ḭ] persistently become non-front [ɨ ɨ̤ ɨ̰] before a retroflex consonant.
Non-glottalised unaspirated voiced obstruents other than implosive fricative sibilants [b ɓ ɗʷˡ̢ ...] become creaky-voiced [ɓ ɓ̰ ɗʷˡ̢̰ ...] before a glottal stop. Non-implosive obstruents become non-glottalised; non-velar non-implosive obstruents become implosive; [v] become [ɓ].
Non-glottalised unaspirated voiceless stops [p tʷ ʈʷ ...] persistently become ejective [pʼ tʷʼ ʈʷʼ ...] before a glottal stop.
Short non-implosive voiced obstruents [b̤ ɖ v ...] become voiceless [pʰ ʈ f ...] before a voiceless aspirated stop.
Non-nasal consonants other than implosive obstruents or consonant laterals [pʰ ʈʼ gʷ ...] persistently assimilate in voice to a following obstruent or nasal and become voiceless word-finally. Before a voiced obstruent or nasal, ejective consonants become non-glottalised implosive.
Some words

/o/ [o]
/po̤/ [po̤]
/m̤oʈʼo/ [m̤o̤ʈʼo]
/dio/ [dio]
/mo̤ɣo/ [mo̤ɣʷo]
/so̤/ [so̤]
/ɭtʼo̤ɖ̤i̤/ [ɭ̥ʈʼo̤ɖ̤i̤]
/ɣa/ [ɣa]
/tʼgoma/ [tʷʼkʷʼoma]
/ɣilopʼ/ [ɣilopʼ]
/mozi/ [mozi]
/o̤/ [o̤]
/kʰaɣil̤/ [kʰaɣi̤l̥]
/kʼol̤bi/ [kʷʼo̤l̤b̤i̤]
/gotʰɖi/ [gʷotʈi]
/ʐoi/ [ʐoi]
/ɭi̤ɖ̤o/ [ɭɨ̤ɖ̤o̤]
/ŋia/ [ŋia]
/ŋito/ [ŋito]
/kʰo/ [kʷʰo]
/so/ [so]
/kʰa̤sa/ [kʰa̤sa]
/dapʼo/ [dapʼo]
/l̤kob̤of/ [lʷ̥kʷo̤b̤o̤f]
/g̤a/ [g̤a̤]
/oʂo/ [oʂo]
/bapzikʰ/ [bapsik]
/ovo/ [ovo]
/ɗitʰi̤/ [ɗitʰi̤]
/la/ [la]
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My favorite words are /tʼgoma/ [tʷʼkʷʼoma] and /l̤kob̤of/ [lʷ̥kʷo̤b̤o̤f]. Almost scifi space opera alien-like. Especially if you spell them <T'goma> and <Lköböf>.
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