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Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

Posted: 11 Apr 2020 18:18
by Salmoneus
shimobaatar wrote: 11 Apr 2020 15:51
Salmoneus wrote: 11 Apr 2020 15:15
shimobaatar wrote: 11 Apr 2020 14:22
Salmoneus wrote: 11 Apr 2020 12:49
shimobaatar wrote: 11 Apr 2020 02:16 Are any of s- -um- -òt pronouns?
No. At least, 'no' is the answer to the question you asked...
I must admit I don't know what you mean by this. Would it be asking too much for me to request some clarification?
Edit: I don't know if this is the source of the issue, but at least for me, "any" can mean "at least one, but as many as all". This may be an idiolectal or dialectal thing.
I'm not aware of 'any' having other meanings?

But I thought maybe you meant something else. The answer to the given question is simply no: this is a verb, and pronouns are a different part of speech altogether.
Alright.

Well yes, of course, but I thought it might be a verb phrase with an object pronoun included or something like that.

Well, there you're getting into difficult philosophical territory - I'm not sure how one really defines an incorporated pronoun.

How about this: at least one of those morphemes does mark person. Whether you want to call it/them (a) special incorporated pronoun form(s), or just regular person-marking affixes, we'll leave to one side, perhaps.

Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

Posted: 12 Apr 2020 16:48
by Jackk
Is -òt one of them, and – if so – is it from a 3pl Latin conjugation?

Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

Posted: 12 Apr 2020 17:05
by Salmoneus
Jackk wrote: 12 Apr 2020 16:48 Is -òt one of them, and – if so – is it from a 3pl Latin conjugation?
Sorry, no.

Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

Posted: 12 Apr 2020 18:05
by Jackk
Salmoneus wrote: 12 Apr 2020 17:05
Jackk wrote: 12 Apr 2020 16:48 Is -òt one of them, and – if so – is it from a 3pl Latin conjugation?
Sorry, no.
< -òt > doesn't mark person, got it.

- Does <-um> mark person, and is it first person?
- Does <s-> mark person, and is it third person?

Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

Posted: 12 Apr 2020 19:27
by qwed117
is invaza from invidia?

Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

Posted: 13 Apr 2020 00:08
by Salmoneus
Jackk wrote: 12 Apr 2020 18:05
Salmoneus wrote: 12 Apr 2020 17:05
Jackk wrote: 12 Apr 2020 16:48 Is -òt one of them, and – if so – is it from a 3pl Latin conjugation?
Sorry, no.
< -òt > doesn't mark person, got it.

- Does <-um> mark person, and is it first person?
- Does <s-> mark person, and is it third person?
Yes, yes, yes, and also yes.

Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

Posted: 13 Apr 2020 00:09
by Salmoneus
qwed117 wrote: 12 Apr 2020 19:27 is invaza from invidia?
No

Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

Posted: 13 Apr 2020 00:28
by qwed117
So I think this is rudimentary to ask for but <in> in invaza is not from *in- in Latin then right?

Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

Posted: 13 Apr 2020 01:32
by Jackk
Salmoneus wrote: 13 Apr 2020 00:08 Yes, yes, yes, and also yes.
Huzzah!

Is either person marking subject marking, and if so is it the <s->?

Does both affices descend from independent words in Latin?

Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

Posted: 13 Apr 2020 13:24
by Salmoneus
Jackk wrote: 13 Apr 2020 01:32
Salmoneus wrote: 13 Apr 2020 00:08 Yes, yes, yes, and also yes.
Huzzah!

Is either person marking subject marking, and if so is it the <s->?

Does both affices descend from independent words in Latin?
Yes, yes, and also yes.

Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

Posted: 13 Apr 2020 13:25
by Salmoneus
qwed117 wrote: 13 Apr 2020 00:28 So I think this is rudimentary to ask for but <in> in invaza is not from *in- in Latin then right?
I'm afraid not, no.

Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

Posted: 13 Apr 2020 17:16
by Jackk
Salmoneus wrote: 13 Apr 2020 13:24 Yes, yes, and also yes.
[B)] *is on a roll*

- is <s-> from some case form of Latin <iste>?
- is <-um-> from some case form of Latin <ego>?

Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

Posted: 13 Apr 2020 20:10
by Salmoneus
Jackk wrote: 13 Apr 2020 17:16
Salmoneus wrote: 13 Apr 2020 13:24 Yes, yes, and also yes.
[B)] *is on a roll*

- is <s-> from some case form of Latin <iste>?
No!
- is <-um-> from some case form of Latin <ego>?
Yes!

Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

Posted: 13 Apr 2020 22:54
by Jackk
Salmoneus wrote: 13 Apr 2020 20:10No!
Nooooo..... [:'(] lol

Hmm, not <ipse> either, I see... or actually, we never got an answer on that. Is it from <ipse>?

Does <-òt> descend from an independent word in Latin?

Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

Posted: 13 Apr 2020 23:18
by shimobaatar
Jackk wrote: 13 Apr 2020 22:54 Hmm, not <ipse> either, I see... or actually, we never got an answer on that. Is it from <ipse>?
I thought that had been addressed? Unless I'm misunderstanding what you mean.
Salmoneus wrote: 09 Apr 2020 13:07 qwed: it does not correspond to ipse.

Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

Posted: 14 Apr 2020 00:45
by Salmoneus
Well, I guess 'correspond' might be ambiguous out of context... but no, it's not from 'ipse'.


Yes, -òt is from an independent word in Latin.

Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

Posted: 14 Apr 2020 00:53
by All4Ɇn
Does -òt mark tense/mood/etc?

Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

Posted: 14 Apr 2020 01:51
by Salmoneus
Yes.

Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

Posted: 14 Apr 2020 04:19
by All4Ɇn
Salmoneus wrote: 14 Apr 2020 01:51Yes.
Is it a descendent of a form of habeō?

Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

Posted: 14 Apr 2020 04:45
by qwed117
All4Ɇn wrote: 14 Apr 2020 04:19
Salmoneus wrote: 14 Apr 2020 01:51Yes.
Is it a descendent of a form of habeō?
If it isn't a descendant of habeo is it a descendant of velle?