Guess the Word in Romlangs

A forum for game threads.
User avatar
qwed117
mongolian
mongolian
Posts: 3757
Joined: 20 Nov 2014 02:27

Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

Post by qwed117 »

shimobaatar wrote: 19 Apr 2020 03:02 I think qwed117's asking if it began with <i> or <ī>.
Yeah that's the correct interpretation
Spoiler:
My minicity is Zyphrazia and Novland
What is made of man will crumble away.
Salmoneus
MVP
MVP
Posts: 2070
Joined: 19 Sep 2011 19:37

Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

Post by Salmoneus »

Then no, it didn't.
User avatar
All4Ɇn
mayan
mayan
Posts: 1587
Joined: 01 Mar 2014 07:19

Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

Post by All4Ɇn »

Does inv from the i and the n switching places? So originally being something like niv or nev?
User avatar
qwed117
mongolian
mongolian
Posts: 3757
Joined: 20 Nov 2014 02:27

Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

Post by qwed117 »

All4Ɇn wrote: 24 Apr 2020 01:14 Does inv from the i and the n switching places? So originally being something like niv or nev?
Salmoneus wrote: 15 Apr 2020 19:58
qwed117 wrote: 15 Apr 2020 19:06 Was the first phoneme of *invaz(ar) preceded by a consonant in Latin that was later elided? (ie, did invaza come from a word beginning in a consonant)
Those are two different questions!

No, the first phoneme of *invazar was not preceded by a consonant in Latin.
Did it begin with *o *ō
Spoiler:
My minicity is Zyphrazia and Novland
What is made of man will crumble away.
Salmoneus
MVP
MVP
Posts: 2070
Joined: 19 Sep 2011 19:37

Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

Post by Salmoneus »

All4Ɇn wrote: 24 Apr 2020 01:14 Does inv from the i and the n switching places? So originally being something like niv or nev?
That's a great guess!

But it's not entirely correct.
Salmoneus
MVP
MVP
Posts: 2070
Joined: 19 Sep 2011 19:37

Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

Post by Salmoneus »

qwed117 wrote: 24 Apr 2020 02:08 Did it begin with *o *ō
No, I'm afraid not.
User avatar
qwed117
mongolian
mongolian
Posts: 3757
Joined: 20 Nov 2014 02:27

Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

Post by qwed117 »

So *u or *u:
Spoiler:
My minicity is Zyphrazia and Novland
What is made of man will crumble away.
Salmoneus
MVP
MVP
Posts: 2070
Joined: 19 Sep 2011 19:37

Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

Post by Salmoneus »

Nyet.
User avatar
qwed117
mongolian
mongolian
Posts: 3757
Joined: 20 Nov 2014 02:27

Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

Post by qwed117 »

Ok, I must be completely misinterpreting your response to this in some way
Salmoneus wrote: 15 Apr 2020 19:58
qwed117 wrote: 15 Apr 2020 19:06 Was the first phoneme of *invaz(ar) preceded by a consonant in Latin that was later elided? (ie, did invaza come from a word beginning in a consonant)
Those are two different questions!

No, the first phoneme of *invazar was not preceded by a consonant in Latin.
So the segment that *invazar came from must have started with a consonant. Was it from something like vVn-> Vnv, ie, something like vinea -> invea?
Spoiler:
My minicity is Zyphrazia and Novland
What is made of man will crumble away.
Salmoneus
MVP
MVP
Posts: 2070
Joined: 19 Sep 2011 19:37

Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

Post by Salmoneus »

qwed117 wrote: 24 Apr 2020 17:47 Ok, I must be completely misinterpreting your response to this in some way
Salmoneus wrote: 15 Apr 2020 19:58
qwed117 wrote: 15 Apr 2020 19:06 Was the first phoneme of *invaz(ar) preceded by a consonant in Latin that was later elided? (ie, did invaza come from a word beginning in a consonant)
Those are two different questions!

No, the first phoneme of *invazar was not preceded by a consonant in Latin.
So the segment that *invazar came from must have started with a consonant.
Correct!

To clarify:

- the first phoneme of 'invazar' is /i/. The Latin word does not begin with a consonant followed by /i/.
- it does, however, begin with a consonant.
Was it from something like vVn-> Vnv, ie, something like vinea -> invea?
Well, "something like" is a bit vague, but no, it didn't begin with /v/, and the /nv/ sequence does not reflect original /vVn/.
User avatar
qwed117
mongolian
mongolian
Posts: 3757
Joined: 20 Nov 2014 02:27

Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

Post by qwed117 »

ah so it began with some cluster then a vowel? If so, id that
Salmoneus wrote: 25 Apr 2020 00:51
qwed117 wrote: 24 Apr 2020 17:47 Ok, I must be completely misinterpreting your response to this in some way
Salmoneus wrote: 15 Apr 2020 19:58
qwed117 wrote: 15 Apr 2020 19:06 Was the first phoneme of *invaz(ar) preceded by a consonant in Latin that was later elided? (ie, did invaza come from a word beginning in a consonant)
Those are two different questions!

No, the first phoneme of *invazar was not preceded by a consonant in Latin.
So the segment that *invazar came from must have started with a consonant.
Correct!

To clarify:

- the first phoneme of 'invazar' is /i/. The Latin word does not begin with a consonant followed by /i/.
- it does, however, begin with a consonant.
How nitpicky is this? [:P] I guess a more fair way of saying this "was the segment from which the <i> in <invaza(r)> comes from succeed a consonant", although that falls in the trap of deciding which segments correspond to what.

Anyways, did the Latin word from which <invazar> have an initial consonant cluster?
Spoiler:
My minicity is Zyphrazia and Novland
What is made of man will crumble away.
Salmoneus
MVP
MVP
Posts: 2070
Joined: 19 Sep 2011 19:37

Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

Post by Salmoneus »

It did not.
User avatar
All4Ɇn
mayan
mayan
Posts: 1587
Joined: 01 Mar 2014 07:19

Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

Post by All4Ɇn »

Is it from this change: nVv -> nv -> inv ?
Salmoneus
MVP
MVP
Posts: 2070
Joined: 19 Sep 2011 19:37

Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

Post by Salmoneus »

All4Ɇn wrote: 25 Apr 2020 01:50 Is it from this change: nVv -> nv -> inv ?
Yes!

The /i/ is entirely epenthetic.
User avatar
qwed117
mongolian
mongolian
Posts: 3757
Joined: 20 Nov 2014 02:27

Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

Post by qwed117 »

is that missing vowel "o"?
Spoiler:
My minicity is Zyphrazia and Novland
What is made of man will crumble away.
Salmoneus
MVP
MVP
Posts: 2070
Joined: 19 Sep 2011 19:37

Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

Post by Salmoneus »

Yes.
User avatar
qwed117
mongolian
mongolian
Posts: 3757
Joined: 20 Nov 2014 02:27

Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

Post by qwed117 »

*novacula + are?

So something like "I will stab him" or "I will kill him"?
Spoiler:
My minicity is Zyphrazia and Novland
What is made of man will crumble away.
User avatar
All4Ɇn
mayan
mayan
Posts: 1587
Joined: 01 Mar 2014 07:19

Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

Post by All4Ɇn »

qwed117 wrote: 25 Apr 2020 02:39 *novacula + are?

So something like "I will stab him" or "I will kill him"?
Based on that same etymology, I'm gonna guess "he will shave me"
Salmoneus
MVP
MVP
Posts: 2070
Joined: 19 Sep 2011 19:37

Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

Post by Salmoneus »

qwed117 wrote: 25 Apr 2020 02:39 *novacula + are?
Yes!

Wow, after all the trouble with the initial, I wasn't expecting people to guess the /kul/ > /z/ bit so quickly!

So something like "I will stab him" or "I will kill him"?
No. FWIW, the former is probably a more helpful line of thought than the latter, though.



All4En: also no. Good lateral thinking, though.
shimobaatar
korean
korean
Posts: 7699
Joined: 12 Jul 2013 23:09
Location: PA → IN

Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

Post by shimobaatar »

Salmoneus wrote: 25 Apr 2020 13:12

So something like "I will stab him" or "I will kill him"?
No. FWIW, the former is probably a more helpful line of thought than the latter, though.
Maybe I'm letting the news influence my thinking here, but is it something like "he will vaccinate me"?
Locked