Guess the Word in Romlangs

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Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

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Clever! But no.

Hint 1: invaza is not simply the generic word for any bladed weapon.
Hint 2: there need not be, and usually is not, any actual physical knife involved in this action
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He will sting me?
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Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

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Salmoneus wrote: 25 Apr 2020 23:29 Hint 2: there need not be, and usually is not, any actual physical knife involved in this action
Is there necessarily anything physical involved at all? Could it be something like "he will insult me"?
Edit: Actually, what you've written here seems to suggest that, while there usually is not, there could be some physical stabbing involved, so perhaps not.
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Yes, there can be a literal knife involved... but these days, there virtually never is.

I'd also suggest: think about what sort of knife an invaza might be, and who might have one, and why. [and to forestall the next guess: no, it's not a razor, although that would have been a good idea if I'd thought of it...]
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Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

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He will mug/rob me?
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Much closer!
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Basing this on the Wikipedia page for "navaja", the Spanish novaculum, it appears to have gotten a reputation with "gamblers, rogues, ruffians, and thugs", and was used to enforce gambling debts and... well murder. It was "adopted as a fighting knife by the peoples of Andalusia in southern Spain, including the Spanish gypsies of the day, the Gitanos". Based on that, I think I'm gonna say "he will scam me", since Des guessed "rob/mug" already
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qwed117 wrote: 26 Apr 2020 19:53 Basing this on the Wikipedia page for "navaja", the Spanish novaculum, it appears to have gotten a reputation with "gamblers, rogues, ruffians, and thugs", and was used to enforce gambling debts and... well murder. It was "adopted as a fighting knife by the peoples of Andalusia in southern Spain, including the Spanish gypsies of the day, the Gitanos". Based on that, I think I'm gonna say "he will scam me", since Des guessed "rob/mug" already
I'll take "scam" as close enough. The semantic area is primarily focused on "betray", but "scam", "dupe", "con", "turn on", "doublecross", "fail to support" and "renege" would all fit. The core metaphor here is of a ne'er-do-well stabbing someone in the back with a small, concealable knife/dagger. Well done!

However: only 75% of the words in "he will scam/backstab me" are correct...
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Ah I was initially thinking "backstabbing" but I felt that that was too literal, when you wrote "there virtually never is" and mentioned "what sort of a knife an invaza might be".
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Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

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Looking back, I don't think it was established what -òt indicates, but:
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All4Ɇn wrote: 14 Apr 2020 00:53 Does -òt mark tense/mood/etc?
Salmoneus wrote: 14 Apr 2020 01:51Yes.
Salmoneus wrote: 14 Apr 2020 14:24 It is indeed from habeo
Salmoneus wrote: 14 Apr 2020 20:11
Jackk wrote: 14 Apr 2020 14:28
Specifically, is it from any of these forms:

- habet
Yes
Salmoneus wrote: 15 Apr 2020 17:06
All4Ɇn wrote: 15 Apr 2020 00:52 So does -òt mark either past infinitive or the perfect infinitive?
No
And now, if "will" is indeed the word that's incorrect, I suppose that means that it doesn't mark the future.

Maybe I'm jumping to conclusions, but might All4Ɇn have meant "indicative" instead of "infinitive"? In that case, is -òt either a past or perfect indicative marker?
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Hmm. is s- from is? If not does it then come from a Latin pronoun?

And just to clarify, we're under the presumption that habet doesn't mark person, and that um- is from mē or mihī and denotes an object role.
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shimobaatar wrote: 26 Apr 2020 21:19 Maybe I'm jumping to conclusions, but might All4Ɇn have meant "indicative" instead of "infinitive"? In that case, is -òt either a past or perfect indicative marker?
No.

qwed: s- is not from 'is'. It does not come from a Latin pronoun.

Correct, habet does not mark person (it did, once, but it's become regularised as a tense marker), and um- is indeed from me or mihi, and does denote an object role.
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ok, so habet forms a future tense, like in most Romance languages? Does s- come from illōs or eccum illōs, and if so does that mean "they will backstab me"
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Correct!

Well done.
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Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

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Good work, qwed117!
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