Romanization game #2

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Re: Romanization game #2

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/m n̪ n ŋ/ m ń n ñ
/m: n̪: n:/ mm ńń nn ññ
/p b t̪ d̪ t d k* kʷ* ʔ/ p b t́ d́ t d k q ɂ
/p: b: t̪: d̪: t: d:/ pp bb t́t́ d́d́ tt dd
/pɸ bβ t̪θ d̪ð ts dz tʃ dʒ/ ꝑ ƀ ŧ đ c y č y̌
/p:ɸ b:β t̪:θ d̪:ð t:s d:z t:ʃ d:ʒ/ ꝑꝑ ƀƀ ŧŧ đđ cc yy čč y̌y̌
/pɸ: bβ: t̪θ: d̪ð: ts: dz: tʃ: dʒ:/ pꝑ bƀ tŧ dđ ć ý č́ y̌́
/p:ɸ: b:β: t̪:θ: d̪:ð: t:s: d:z: t:ʃ: d:ʒ:/ ꝑꝑꝑ ƀƀƀ ŧŧŧ đđđ ccc yyy ččč y̌y̌y̌
/θ ð s z ʃ ʒ x* xʷ h/ þ ɜ s z š ž x w h
/ɸ: β: θ: ð: s: z: ʃ: ʒ: ç: xʷ:/ f v þþ ɜɜ ss zz šš žž ś ww
/β̞ j ɰ/ ʌ j ğ

/i ɛ ɑ ə u* ɯ*/ i e a o u ů
If geminates contrast with doubled consonants you could use a macron instead, or for some of them, double triple or quadruple macron.

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/m n/
/b t d k/
/f v s z h/
/r l j w/

/i u e o a/
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Re: Romanization game #2

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/m n/ <m n>
/b t d k/ <b t d k>
/f v s z h/ <f v s z h>
/r l j w/ <r l y w>

/i u e o a/ <i u e o a>

I kinda feel bad for making the romanization so simple but I can't think of anything else, except for /j/ <j> I guess.

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/m n/
/t ʈ k q ʡ ʔ/
/ⁿd ⁿɖ ⁿɡ ⁿɢ/
/s ʂ x ħ h/
/l r ɭ ɽ͡r ʕ̞ j w/
/i u ə a/
ɶʙ ɞʛ
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Re: Romanization game #2

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/m n/ <m n>
/t ʈ k q ʡ ʔ/ <t j k q q́ '>
/ⁿd ⁿɖ ⁿɡ ⁿɢ/ <d đ ŋ ŋ' (supposed to be ŋ with acute)>
/s ʂ x ħ h/ <s ś x ħ h>
/l r ɭ ɽ͡r ʕ̞ j w/ <l r ł ŕ g y u>
/i u ə a/ <i o ø a>

Another minimalism, but with allophonic clicks this time:

/m~n~h/
/p~k~h t ʈ/
/d ɖ/
/s ʂ/
/ɣ/
/i e a o u/
/ɣ/ is realized as [z~dz] if next to /i/, [j] if next to only /e a/, [ɣ] if next to only /a/ or both of /e o/, [β] if next to only /a o/, or [gb~gʷ~b~ʘ̬] if next to /u/.
/p/ is [p] if next to a rounded vowel, [k] if not next to a rounded vowel, and [h] if before a consonant. [h] becomes [ɸ] in rounded environments.
/m~n/ is [m] next to a rounded vowel, [n] if not next to a rounded vowel, [ɳ] before /ʈ ʂ/, [h] if initial or final, and [ŋ] before [k].

/qiqaɣʈe/ [hika!!e]
/quɣqoɣ/ [ɸuʘoβ]
/niʈʈan/ [niʈ'ah]
/qotoɣta/ [ɸoto!a]
/toʂʈon/ [toʂʈoɸ]


Allophonic clicks: [ʘ ʘ̪ | ! !ʷ !! !!ʷ] in voiceless and nasal forms, with only [ʘ ! !ʷ !! !!ʷ] also appearing plain voiced. [ʘ̪] is underlying [|ʷ].

(Apparently unconditional ʘ > ʘ̪ > | happened somewhere.)
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Re: Romanization game #2

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/m~n~h/ ⟨n⟩
/p~k~h t ʈ/ ⟨k t c⟩
/d ɖ/ ⟨d j⟩
/s ʂ/ ⟨s x⟩
/ɣ/ ⟨g⟩
/i e a o u/ ⟨i e a o u

I don’t understand so much about your phonology.
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/(m) n~ ŋ/
/t~ d~ k ɡ/
/β~β̞ s~ʃ z~ʒ x ɣ~ʕ~ʕ̞/
/ɹ~ɹ̠ l~ j ɰ (w)/

Red: allophone before (labio)palatal vowels (except /a/)
Blue: allophone before (labio)velar vowels (except /ɑ/)
/m/ only occurs before /β/ and as coda, often used as in loanwords
/ʕ/ is allophone of /ɣ/ before open vowels (/a/, /ɑ/)
/ʕ̞/ (accurately [ɑ̯]) is allophone of /ɣ/ at final position of syllable
/w/ only occurs after central/back vowels (except /ɑ/), often used as in loanwords

/i ɪ ɨ ɯ/
/e ɘ ə ɤ/
/ɛ ɜ ʌ/
/a~ä (ɑ)/

Green: allophone after palatovelar consonant ([ŋ˖], [k̟], [ɡ˖], [x̟], [ɣ˖])
/ɑ/ only used in loanwords

Sound change:
Consonants:
/nj ŋj tj dj kj ɡj sj zj xj ɣj lɣ lj jw ɰw/ → [n̠ʲ ŋ˖ t̠ʲ d̠ʲ k̟ ɡ˖ ɕ ʑ x̟ ɣ˖ ɫ l̠ʲ ɥ w]
Vowels:
/iβ ɪβ eβ ɛβ ɨw ɯw ɘw ɤw ɜw ʌw əɹ ɜɹ/ → [y ʏ ø œ ʉ u ɵ o ɞ ɔ ɚ ɝ]

/kʌwndjɤ ʌwəsjalʌ jenə βɯkəɹ djiɹisdjirisjan nɯmβik ɯlɯw niβeβze kedɜɹaɣ zɤsɛβɪk ɯɣɛɣa əɹiɹi ɡiden ɡɯwdaje kja ɰasim djaŋix tiβnex/
[kɔn̠ʲd̠ʲɤ ɔəɕalʌ jenə β̞ɯkɚ d̠ʲiɹ̠is.d̠ʲiɹ̠iɕan nɯmβik ɯlu n̠yøʒe kedɝaʕ̞ zɤʃœɪk ɯɣɛʕa ɚiɹ̠i ɡid̠en ɡudaje k̟ä ɰaʃim d̠ʲaŋix t̠yn̠ex]
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Re: Romanization game #2

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/(m) n~n̠ ŋ/ m n ñ
/t~t̠ d~d̠ k ɡ/ t d k g
/β~β̞ s~ʃ z~ʒ x ɣ~ʕ~ʕ̞/ v s~ş z~j h ğ
/ɹ~ɹ̠ l~l̠ j ɰ (w)/ r l y ŵ w

Red: allophone before (labio)palatal vowels (except /a/)
Blue: allophone before (labio)velar vowels (except /ɑ/)
/m/ only occurs before /β/ and as coda, often used as in loanwords
/ʕ/ is allophone of /ɣ/ before open vowels (/a/, /ɑ/)
/ʕ̞/ (accurately [ɑ̯]) is allophone of /ɣ/ at final position of syllable
/w/ only occurs after central/back vowels (except /ɑ/), often used as in loanwords

/i ɪ ɨ ɯ/ i ì ı ù
/e ɘ ə ɤ/ é ò ũ ó
/ɛ ɜ ʌ/ e ĕ õ
/a~ä (ɑ)/ a å

Green: allophone after palatovelar consonant ([ŋ˖], [k̟], [ɡ˖], [x̟], [ɣ˖])
/ɑ/ only used in loanwords

Sound change:
Consonants:
/nj ŋj tj dj kj ɡj sj zj xj ɣj lɣ lj jw ɰw/ → [n̠ʲ ŋ˖ t̠ʲ d̠ʲ k̟ ɡ˖ ɕ ʑ x̟ ɣ˖ ɫ l̠ʲ ɥ w] nV̂ ñV̂ tV̂ dV̂ kV̂ gV̂ şV̂ jV̂ hV̂ ğV̂ ł lV̂ ŷ f
Vowels:
/iβ ɪβ eβ ɛβ ɨw ɯw ɘw ɤw ɜw ʌw əɹ ɜɹ/ → [y ʏ ø œ ʉ u ɵ o ɞ ɔ ɚ ɝ] ű ü ő ö ŭ u ŏ o ä ą ę ǫ

Can’t do the example because I have a hard time doing them.
This was inspired by Turkish characters.

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/m n/
/p b t d k g/
/f v s z ʃ ʒ ʁ h/
/l j w/
/r/

/i ɨ u e o ɐ a/
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Re: Romanization game #2

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/m n/ <m n>
/p b t d k g/ <p b t d k x>
/f v s z ʃ ʒ ʁ h/ <f v s z ś ź g h>
/l j w/ <l j w>
/r/ <r>

/i ɨ u e o ɐ a/ <i y u e o a á>

/m n ɴ/
/t' k' q'/
/p b t͡p t d k~ʔ q q͡χ/
/f v θ r̥ ʂ~h χ ʁ/
/ʙ͡r͜ʀ r ʀ/

/i u ɛ a ɞ͡ʛ/
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Re: Romanization game #2

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/m n ɴ/ m n ƞ
/t' k' q'/ t̆ ǩ q̌
/p b t͡p t d k~ʔ q q͡χ/ p b ꝑ t d k~g q ꝗ
/f v θ r̥ ʂ~h χ ʁ/ f v θ z x h ǥ
/ʙ͡r͜ʀ r ʀ/ ƀ r ꝛ

/i u ɛ a ɞ͡ʛ/ i o e a ꝍ

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/m n ŋ/
/p b t d k g ʔ/
/f v s z ʐ~ɻ ɕ ʑ ʝ~j x ʕ h/
/ʦ ʣ ʈ͝ʂ ɖ͝ʐ ʨ ʥ/
/l j w/

/i u ɤ o ɛ a/
Ryan Aditya
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Re: Romanization game #2

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/m n ŋ/ ⟨m n ñ⟩
/p b t d k g ʔ/ ⟨p b t d k g ’⟩
/f v s z ʐ~ɻ ɕ ʑ ʝ~j x ʕ h/ ⟨f v s z r ś ź j c ‘ h⟩
/ʦ ʣ ʈ͝ʂ ɖ͝ʐ ʨ ʥ/ ⟨ts dz ť ď tś dź⟩
/l j w/ ⟨l y w⟩

/i u ɤ o ɛ a/ ⟨i u õ o e a⟩

Order: Aa Bb Cc Dd Ďď Ee Ff Gg Hh Ii Jj Kk Ll Mm Nn Ññ Oo Õõ Pp Rr Ss Śś Tt Ťť Uu Vv Ww Yy Zz Źź

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/m̥ m ɱ n̥ n ɳ ɲ ŋ ɴ/
/p b t d ʈ ɖ c~tʃ ɟ~dʒ k ɡ q ʔ/
/ɓ ɗ ʄ ɠ/
/ts dz tɬ dɮ tɕ dʑ/
/kp ɡb/
/s z ɬ ɮ ʃ ʒ ʂ ʐ ɕ ʑ/
/ɸ β f v θ ð ç ʝ x ɣ χ ʁ h ɦ/
/ʋ l̥ l ɭ j ʎ ʟ ʍ w/
/ɾ~ɹ ɽ~ɽr/
/ʙ r̥ r ʀ/

/i iː ĩ ɪ y ɯ u uː ũ/
/e eː ẽ~ɛ̃ o oː õ~ɔ̃/
/ɛ œ ʌ ɔ/
/æ a aː ã~ɑ̃ ɑ/

/iɐ iɔ iʊ uɪ uɐ uɔ/
/eɪ oɪ oʊ/
/aɪ aʊ/

Maybe use a digraph in a sound.
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Re: Romanization game #2

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/m̥ m ɱ n̥ n ɳ ɲ ŋ ɴ/ ḿ m ɱ ń n ṇ ɲ ŋ ṅ
/p b t d ʈ ɖ c~tʃ ɟ~dʒ k ɡ q ʔ/ p b t d ṭ ḍ č y̆ k g q ˊ
/ɓ ɗ ʄ ɠ/ ɓ ɗ ƴ ɠ
/ts dz tɬ dɮ tɕ dʑ/ c y ƛ λ ć ý
/kp ɡb/ kp gb
/s z ɬ ɮ ʃ ʒ ʂ ʐ ɕ ʑ/ s z ɬ ɫ š ž ṣ ẓ ś ź
/ɸ β f v θ ð ç ʝ x ɣ χ ʁ h ɦ/ ꝑ ƀ f v ŧ đ ꞓ ɉ ꝁ ǥ ꝗ ƣ h ɦ
/ʋ l̥ l ɭ j ʎ ʟ ʍ w/ ʋ ĺ l ḷ j ľ ł ƕ w
/ɾ~ɹ ɽ~ɽr/ r ṛ
/ʙ r̥ r ʀ/ ƅ ŕ ɍ ǧ

/i iː ĩ ɪ y ɯ u uː ũ/ i ī į ì ü ï u ū ų
/e eː ẽ~ɛ̃ o oː õ~ɔ̃/ e ē ę o ō ǫ
/ɛ œ ʌ ɔ/ è ö ë ò
/æ a aː ã~ɑ̃ ɑ/ ä a ā ą å

/iɐ iɔ iʊ uɪ uɐ uɔ/ iĕ ĭo ĭu uĭ uă uŏ
/eɪ oɪ oʊ/ eĭ oĭ oŭ
/aɪ aʊ/ aĭ aŭ

Ok I only used digraphs for the diphthongs.

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/m n/
/p b t d k g/
/f v s z ʃ ʒ h/
/ʧ/
/l j w/
/r~ɣ/

/i u e o ɛ ʌ ɔ a~ɑ/
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Re: Romanization game #2

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/m n/ ⟨m n⟩
/p b t d k g/ ⟨p b t d k g⟩
/f v s z ʃ ʒ h/ ⟨f v s z c j h⟩
/ʧ/ ⟨x⟩
/l j w/ ⟨l y w⟩
/r~ɣ/ ⟨r⟩

/i u e o ɛ ʌ ɔ a~ɑ/ ⟨i u e o ê â ô a⟩

Next:

/m n ɲ ŋ/
/p pʰ b t tʰ d k kʰ ɡ/
/tɕ tɕʲ tɕʰ tɕʰʲ dʑ dʑʲ cç kx/
/βʷ s sʰ ɕ ɕʰ ʝ ɣ ɦ/
/j w/
/ɾ/
/l ʎ/

/i y ɯ u/
/e ø o/
/ɛ ʌ ɔ/
/a/

/ɰi/
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Re: Romanization game #2

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/m n ɲ ŋ/ m n ñ ŋ
/p pʰ b t tʰ d k kʰ ɡ/ p ph b t th d k kh g
/tɕ tɕʲ tɕʰ tɕʰʲ dʑ dʑʲ cç kx/ c c̃ ch c̃h ƣ ƣ̃ č q
/βʷ s sʰ ɕ ɕʰ ʝ ɣ ɦ/ w s sh x xh j ğ h
/j w/ y v
/ɾ/ r
/l ʎ/ l l̃

/i y ɯ u/ i ü û u
/e ø o/ é ö ó
/ɛ ʌ ɔ/ e ä o
/a/ a

/ɰi/ ûi

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/m n/
/b t d k/
/f z h/
/j w/
/r~l/

/i u e o œ a/
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Re: Romanization game #2

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/m n/ <m n>
/b t d k/ <b d j k>
/f z h/ <f s h>
/j w/ <ì ù>
/r~l/ <r>

/i u e o œ a/ <i u e o œ a>

Central vs lateral harmony. Nasals are neutral.

/m n nʷ ɳ ɳʷ ɲ ɲʷ ŋ ŋʷ/
/p' t' tʷ' ts' tsʷ' ʈ' ʈʷ' ʈʂ' ʈʂʷ' c' cʷ' k' kʷ'/
/p͆ˡ' tˡ' tˡʷ' tɬ' tɬʷ' ʈˡ' ʈˡʷ' ʈꞎ' ʈꞎʷ' cʎ̝̥' cʎ̝̥ʷ' kʟ̥̝' kʟ̥̝ʷ'/
/p t tʷ ts tsʷ ʈ ʈʷ ʈʂ ʈʂʷ c cʷ k kʷ/
/p͆ˡ tˡ tˡʷ tɬ tɬʷ ʈˡ ʈˡʷ ʈꞎ ʈꞎʷ cʎ̝̥ cʎ̝̥ʷ kʟ̥̝ kʟ̥̝ʷ/
/s' sʷ' ʂ' ʂʷ'/
/ɬ' ɬʷ' ꞎ' ꞎʷ'/
/ɸ s sʷ ʂ ʂʷ ç çʷ x~h xʷ/
/fˡ ɬ ɬʷ ꞎ ꞎʷ ʎ̝̥ ʎ̝̥ʷ ʟ̥̝ ʟ̥̝ʷ/
/β ɹ~ɾ ɹʷ~ɾʷ~ⱱ j ɥ ɰ~ɦ w/
/ʋˡ l~ɺ lʷ~ɺʷ ʎ ʎʷ ʟ ʟʷ/

/i a u/
/i͡ʎ a͡ʟ̠ u͡ʟ͡ʋˡ/

To be honest, this is probably not as unnaturalistic as I think it is, other than central vs lateral harmony. Also, oof. 101 consonants. Bonus if written in Cyrillic.
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Re: Romanization game #2

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ɶʙ ɞʛ wrote: 15 Nov 2019 01:44 /m n nʷ ɳ ɳʷ ɲ ɲʷ ŋ ŋʷ/ <m n nă ṇ ṇă ņ ņă ŋ ŋă>
/p' t' tʷ' ts' tsʷ' ʈ' ʈʷ' ʈʂ' ʈʂʷ' c' cʷ' k' kʷ'/ <p' t' t'ă c' c'ă ṭ' ṭ'ă c̣' c̣'ă ķ' ķ'ă k' k'ă>
/p͆ˡ' tˡ' tˡʷ' tɬ' tɬʷ' ʈˡ' ʈˡʷ' ʈꞎ' ʈꞎʷ' cʎ̝̥' cʎ̝̥ʷ' kʟ̥̝' kʟ̥̝ʷ'/ <pl' tl' tl'ă tł' tł'ă ṭl' ṭl'ă ṭł̣' ṭł̣'ă ķł̧' ķł̧'ă kᴌ' kᴌ'ă>
/p t tʷ ts tsʷ ʈ ʈʷ ʈʂ ʈʂʷ c cʷ k kʷ/ <p t tă c că ṭ ṭă c̣ c̣ă ķ ķă k kă>
/p͆ˡ tˡ tˡʷ tɬ tɬʷ ʈˡ ʈˡʷ ʈꞎ ʈꞎʷ cʎ̝̥ cʎ̝̥ʷ kʟ̥̝ kʟ̥̝ʷ/ <pl tl tlă tł tłă ṭl ṭlă ṭł̣ ṭł̣ă ķł̧ ķł̧ă kᴌ kᴌă>
/s' sʷ' ʂ' ʂʷ'/ <s' s'ă ṣ' ṣ'ă>
/ɬ' ɬʷ' ꞎ' ꞎʷ'/ <ł' ł'ă ł̣' ł̣'ă>
/ɸ s sʷ ʂ ʂʷ ç çʷ x~h xʷ/ <f s să ṣ ṣă ç çă x xă>
/fˡ ɬ ɬʷ ꞎ ꞎʷ ʎ̝̥ ʎ̝̥ʷ ʟ̥̝ ʟ̥̝ʷ/ <flă ł łă ł̣ ł̣ă ł̧ ł̧ă ᴌ ᴌă>
/β ɹ~ɾ ɹʷ~ɾʷ~ⱱ j ɥ ɰ~ɦ w/ <v r ră y yă w wă>
/ʋˡ l~ɺ lʷ~ɺʷ ʎ ʎʷ ʟ ʟʷ/ <vl rl rlă ļ ļă ʟ ʟă>

/i a u/ <i a u>
/i͡ʎ a͡ʟ̠ u͡ʟ͡ʋˡ/ <i̛ a̛ ư>

To be honest, this is probably not as unnaturalistic as I think it is, other than central vs lateral harmony. Also, oof. 101 consonants. Bonus if written in Cyrillic.
Notes on transcription:
Roundedness indicated on the following vowel with a breve, 'a' is used in example
Underdot indicates retroflexion
Stroke-through indicates voiceless friction on laterals
Cedilla indicates palatal POA
Apostrohpe indicates ejective MOA
Horns indicate lateral vowel realization

/m n ŋ/
/ᵐb nd ᵑg/
/p t ts tɬ tʃ k Ɂ/
/pʰ tʰ tsʰ tɬʰ tʃʰ kʰ/
/p̕ t̕ ts̕ tɬ̕ tʃ̕ k̕/
/ɸ s ɬ ʃ x h/
/v ɮ ɣ~ɰ/
/j w/

/i y ɯ u/
/e ø ɤ o/
/ɛ œ ʌ ɔ/
/a/

For bonus points, try transcribing/romanizing without umlauts.

Cheers
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Re: Romanization game #2

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/m n ŋ/ <m n ŋ>
/ᵐb nd ᵑg/ <m̈ n̈ ŋ̈>
/p t ts tɬ tʃ k Ɂ/ <p t z c̈ c k '>
/pʰ tʰ tsʰ tɬʰ tʃʰ kʰ/ <p̈ ẗ z̈ c̈̈ c̈ k̈>
/p̕ t̕ ts̕ tɬ̕ tʃ̕ k̕/ <p̈̈ ẗ̈ z̈̈ c̈̈̈̈ c̈̈̈ k̈̈>
/ɸ s ɬ ʃ x h/ <f s l q x h>
/v ɮ ɣ~ɰ/ <f̈ ł g>
/j w/ <j w>

/i y ɯ u/ <i ü ï u>
/e ø ɤ o/ <ë ø̈ ë̈ ö>
/ɛ œ ʌ ɔ/ <e ø ä o>
/a/ <a>

/m n/
/b tʰ t t͡s d d͡ʒ g ʡ͡p/
/f v s s͡ʂ͡ʃ͡ɕ χ/
/l r ʜ͡ʙ/
/j w/

/i ĩ ĩ: ũ ʐ̩:/
/e ẽ ẽ: ə ə̃ o õ/
/æ æ̃ a ã ɑ ɑ̃/
/ai ɔœ/
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Re: Romanization game #2

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crazy language...
/m n/ ⟨m n⟩
/b tʰ t t͡s d d͡ʒ g ʡ͡p/ ⟨b θ t ṡ d j g p⟩
/f v s s͡ʂ͡ʃ͡ɕ χ/ ⟨f v s ssss h⟩
/l r ʜ͡ʙ/ ⟨l r ghwr
/j w/ ⟨y w⟩

/i ĩ ĩ: ũ ʐ̩:/ ⟨i ĩ ĩĩ ṍ rrr⟩
/e ẽ ẽ: ə ə̃ o õ/ ⟨e ẽ ẽẽ u ũ o õ⟩
/æ æ̃ a ã ɑ ɑ̃/ ⟨ae ãẽ a ã ao ãõ⟩
/ai ɔœ/ ⟨ay we⟩

Next:
핟그거 (Hatkuko) /hatkɨkɘ/ [hɐdɡɨɡə] (disordered Korean speech)

ㅂ ㄷ ㄱ ㅇ
/p~b~m t~d~n k~ɡ~ŋ ʔ~/

/ts~dz~tɕ~/
ㅍ ㅅ ㅋ ㅎ
/ɸʷ~βʷ ç~ʝ x~ɣ h~ɦ/

/ɾ~l~ɭ~n/

Black: main phonetics
Orange: allophone between sounds
Yellow: allophone before /ɾ/ ([n])
Magenta: North dialect
Red: allophone between vowels (North dialect)
Gold: allophone of geminated consonant
Green: allophone as final consonant of syllable
Blue: allophone after /p/, /t/ or /k/ ([m], [n] or [ŋ])

ㅢ ㅟ ㅡ
/i~ȷ̈i~ɰi~e~je y~ɥi ɨ~ɯ/
ㅚ ㅓ
/ø~we ɘ~ɤ~ə~ʌ~ɔ/
ㅐ ㅏ
/ɛɐ~a/

ㅑ ㅘ
/~ja ~wa/

Black: main phonetics
Cyan: allophone in medial word
Green: North dialect
Red: allophone of 의 after consonant in final word
Orange: allophone of 의 after vowel in final word
Purple: allophone in initial word
Yellow: allophone in final word
Blue: allophone in medial word (North dialect)

Syllable structure is (C)V(F)
F is only ㅂ, ㄷ, ㄱ or ㄹ.

Example
Korean: 검은 석영의 스핑크스, 내 맹세를 판단하십시오.
Hatkuko: 거븓 서걱의 스픡크스, 대 백새를 팓닫하싑싀어.
/kɘpɨt çɘkɘkɰi çɨɸʷɰikxɨçɨ tæ pækçæɾɨɾ ɸʷattathaçɰipçɰiɘ/
[kɘbɨt çɘɡʌɡe çɯβʷiɡɣɨʝɨ tɛ pɛɡʝæɾɨɭ ɸʷɐddadɦaʝibʝiə]
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Re: Romanization game #2

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p~b~m t~d~n k~g~ŋ q
/p~b~m t~d~n k~ɡ~ŋ ʔ~∅/
s~z~š~ž
/ts~dz~tɕ~dʑ/
f~v c x~ǥ h
/ɸʷ~βʷ ç~ʝ x~ɣ h~ɦ/
r~l~l̈~n
/ɾ~l~ɭ~n/

i~ji~wi~e~je ü~üi ů
/i~ȷ̈i~ɰi~e~je y~ɥi ɨ~ɯ/
ö~we ä~ë~õ~à~å
/ø~we ɘ~ɤ~ə~ʌ~ɔ/
è~æ á~a
/ɛ~æ ɐ~a/

já~ja wá~wa
/jɐ~ja wɐ~wa/

Next
/m n ŋ/
/p b t d k g kʲ~ʧ~c gʲ~ʤ~ɟ/
/f v θ ð s z x ɣ xʲ~ʃ~ç ɣʲ~ʒ~ʝ h hʲ~ȷ̊/
/l j ɥ~ɰʲ w~ɰ/
/ɽ~r/

/i iː yː ɨ u uː eː øː o oː ɛ œ ɔ~ɒ aː/
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Re: Romanization game #2

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Next
/m n ŋ/ <m n ń>
/p b t d k g kʲ~ʧ~c gʲ~ʤ~ɟ/ <p b t d k g c ǵ>
/f v θ ð s z x ɣ xʲ~ʃ~ç ɣʲ~ʒ~ʝ h hʲ~ȷ̊/ <f v ś ź s z x h ç j>
/l j ɥ~ɰʲ w~ɰ/ <l y wy w>
/ɽ~r/ <r>

/i iː yː ɨ u uː eː øː o oː ɛ œ ɔ~ɒ aː/ <i ii ui ï u uu ee eo o oo e ö a aa>


Another very large inventory:

/m̥ n̪̊ n̥ ɳ̊ ɲ̊ ŋ̊/
/m n̪ n ɳ ɲ ŋ/
/mˀ n̪ˀ nˀ ɳˀ ɲˀ ŋˀ/
/p' t̪' ts' ʈ' ʈʂ' tɕ' k' q'~ʡ/
/pʰ t̪ʰ ʈʰ tɕʰ kʰ qʰ/
/p t̪ ts ʈ ʈʂ tɕ k q ʔ/
/bʰ d̪ʰ ɖʰ dʑʰ gʰ ɢʰ/
/b d̪ dz ɖ ɖʐ dʑ g ɢ/
/s' ʂ' ɕ' x'/
/sʰ ʂʰ ɕʰ~ç xʰ~ħ/
/s ʂ ɕ x h/
/zˀ/
/zʰ/
/z/
/ðˀ ɻˀ jˀ ɣˀ ʕˀ/
/ð ɻ j ɣ ʕ/

/a a̤ ḁ a: a:42 a:24 a̤:/
/ɵ ɵ̤ ɵ̥ y: yə42 œy24 ʏ̤: u: uə42 ɔu24 ʊ̤:/
/ɘ ɘ̤ ɘ̥ i: iə42 ɛi24 ɪ̤: ɯ: ɯə42 ʌɯ24 ω̤:/
/ɛ ɛ̤ ɛ̥ e: ɛ̤: ɔ ɔ̤ ɔ̥ o: ɔ̤:/
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Re: Romanization game #2

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Birdlang wrote: 17 Nov 2019 18:19 p~b~m t~d~n k~g~ŋ q
/p~b~m t~d~n k~ɡ~ŋ ʔ~∅/
s~z~š~ž
/ts~dz~tɕ~dʑ/
f~v c x~ǥ h
/ɸʷ~βʷ ç~ʝ x~ɣ h~ɦ/
r~l~l̈~n
/ɾ~l~ɭ~n/

i~ji~wi~e~je ü~üi ů
/i~ȷ̈i~ɰi~e~je y~ɥi ɨ~ɯ/
ö~we ä~ë~õ~à~å
/ø~we ɘ~ɤ~ə~ʌ~ɔ/
è~æ á~a
/ɛ~æ ɐ~a/

já~ja wá~wa
/jɐ~ja wɐ~wa/
NO SEPARATED LETTERS ALLOWED!!
You’ve make the failure...
If a sound is more than 1 allophone, don’t make the separated letter! For example: if /p~b~m/, so you have only transliterate as ⟨p⟩. Don’t use variant orthographies!

Let me introduce:

Pp → /p~b~m/
Tt → /t~d~n/
Kk → /k~ɡ~ŋ/
∅ → /ʔ~∅/
Jj → /tɕ~dʑ/ (South), /ts~dz/ (North)
Ff → /ɸʷ~βʷ/
Ss → /ç~ʝ/
Cc → /x~ɣ/
Hh → /h~ɦ/
Ll → /ɾ~l~ɭ~n/

Ii → /i~ȷ̈i~ɰi~e~je/
Yy → /y~ɥi/
Uu → /ɨ~ɯ/
Ww → /ø~we/
Oo → /ɘ~ə~ʌ/ (South), /ɤ~ə~ɔ/ (North)
Ee → /ɛ~æ/
Aa → /ɐ~a/

ya → /jɐ~ja/
wa → /wɐ~wa/
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Re: Romanization game #2

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Ryan Aditya wrote: 18 Nov 2019 02:16 NO SEPARATED LETTERS ALLOWED!!
You’ve make the failure...
If a sound is more than 1 allophone, don’t make the separated letter! For example: if /p~b~m/, so you have only transliterate as ⟨p⟩. Don’t use variant orthographies!
Your response here is unnecessarily combative. There aren't any strict rules on the romanizations in this thread, and there is no way to "fail". If you have a preference for how your phonology gets romanized, you should state it politely along with the phonology, and other users can honor that request or not. Consider this a reminder to follow House Rule 1: Be civil.
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Re: Romanization game #2

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Following on from "[t]here aren't any strict rules on the romanizations in this thread", there aren't in romanisations in general (other than things like "<p> tends to be a bilabial plosive of some description), and some languages do in fact transcribe allophones differently, e.g. in Guarani /ⁿd~n/ is written differently depending on whether it is [ⁿd] <nd> or [n] <n>, which is caused by the presence or lack of nasal vowels causing nasal harmony. The orthography could have chosen to indicate stressed syllables as well, which would indicate whether nasality spreads beyond the syllable or not, but a choice was made to indicate nasalisation of consonants explicitly (presumably because the allophony involves word-level spreading rather than something caused by adjacent sounds, so it's less immediately obvious).
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