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qwed117 wrote: 11 Aug 2020 06:10
shimobaatar wrote: 10 Aug 2020 00:19 I have to say, I'm stumped currently. I don't think the exact etymology of Pèi has been determined, though, so I suppose I'll try to do that. Is it descended from an adjective in Classical Latin?
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Did this adjective begin with <pV->?
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shimobaatar wrote: 11 Aug 2020 06:56
qwed117 wrote: 11 Aug 2020 06:10
shimobaatar wrote: 10 Aug 2020 00:19 I have to say, I'm stumped currently. I don't think the exact etymology of Pèi has been determined, though, so I suppose I'll try to do that. Is it descended from an adjective in Classical Latin?
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Did this adjective begin with <pV->?
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qwed117 wrote: 12 Aug 2020 01:09
shimobaatar wrote: 11 Aug 2020 06:56
qwed117 wrote: 11 Aug 2020 06:10
shimobaatar wrote: 10 Aug 2020 00:19 I have to say, I'm stumped currently. I don't think the exact etymology of Pèi has been determined, though, so I suppose I'll try to do that. Is it descended from an adjective in Classical Latin?
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Did this adjective begin with <pV->?
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Was the vowel after <p-> one of <i ī e ē>?
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shimobaatar wrote: 12 Aug 2020 16:53
qwed117 wrote: 12 Aug 2020 01:09
shimobaatar wrote: 11 Aug 2020 06:56
qwed117 wrote: 11 Aug 2020 06:10
shimobaatar wrote: 10 Aug 2020 00:19 I have to say, I'm stumped currently. I don't think the exact etymology of Pèi has been determined, though, so I suppose I'll try to do that. Is it descended from an adjective in Classical Latin?
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Did this adjective begin with <pV->?
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Was the vowel after <p-> one of <i ī e ē>?
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Is it from paucus?
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Jackk wrote: 14 Aug 2020 22:22 Is it from paucus?
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Does it still mean "few, not many"

Few black ashes-XXX....

Something to do with remnants or remains?
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Jackk wrote: 15 Aug 2020 11:56 Does it still mean "few, not many"

Few black ashes-XXX....

Something to do with remnants or remains?
qwed117 wrote: 19 May 2020 17:35
Jackk wrote: 19 May 2020 17:28 - does pèi mean "small"?
- is the third word derived from a verb?
[maybe]* [cross]

*sorta, but not quite
small is closer.

I wouldn’t translate it as “small” but as a word that would be a synonym of “small” plus another adjective.
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qwed117 wrote: 16 Aug 2020 18:02 I wouldn’t translate it as “small” but as a word that would be a synonym of “small” plus another adjective.
Sorry, just to clarify, do you mean that the word you have in mind can be a synonym of "small" as well as a synonym of another adjective, or that it is synonymous with two adjectives, one of which is "small", being used together?
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shimobaatar wrote: 16 Aug 2020 18:39
qwed117 wrote: 16 Aug 2020 18:02 I wouldn’t translate it as “small” but as a word that would be a synonym of “small” plus another adjective.
Sorry, just to clarify, do you mean that the word you have in mind can be a synonym of "small" as well as a synonym of another adjective, or that it is synonymous with two adjectives, one of which is "small", being used together?
synonymous with two together. one of which is an unknown word and small (ie “______ [small]”)
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qwed117 wrote: 18 Aug 2020 05:10
shimobaatar wrote: 16 Aug 2020 18:39
qwed117 wrote: 16 Aug 2020 18:02 I wouldn’t translate it as “small” but as a word that would be a synonym of “small” plus another adjective.
Sorry, just to clarify, do you mean that the word you have in mind can be a synonym of "small" as well as a synonym of another adjective, or that it is synonymous with two adjectives, one of which is "small", being used together?
synonymous with two together. one of which is an unknown word and small (ie “______ [small]”)
very small? pretty small?
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Jackk wrote: 18 Aug 2020 14:18
qwed117 wrote: 18 Aug 2020 05:10
shimobaatar wrote: 16 Aug 2020 18:39
qwed117 wrote: 16 Aug 2020 18:02 I wouldn’t translate it as “small” but as a word that would be a synonym of “small” plus another adjective.
Sorry, just to clarify, do you mean that the word you have in mind can be a synonym of "small" as well as a synonym of another adjective, or that it is synonymous with two adjectives, one of which is "small", being used together?
synonymous with two together. one of which is an unknown word and small (ie “______ [small]”)
very small? pretty small?
I wouldn’t use small, and “very/pretty” are really adverbs here. The usage would match an English collocation. If both of you agree, I’ll just say it and cut the suspense
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qwed117 wrote: 19 Aug 2020 06:18 I wouldn’t use small, and “very/pretty” are really adverbs here. The usage would match an English collocation. If both of you agree, I’ll just say it and cut the suspense
Go for it [:D] My mind (and this site) are empty of suitable collocations lol
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Jackk wrote: 19 Aug 2020 12:47
qwed117 wrote: 19 Aug 2020 06:18 I wouldn’t use small, and “very/pretty” are really adverbs here. The usage would match an English collocation. If both of you agree, I’ll just say it and cut the suspense
Go for it [:D] My mind (and this site) are empty of suitable collocations lol
Haha, same here. I don't mind. [+1]
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Pèi in this context is probably best translated as the English phrase “poor little”. So now, you know “Poor Little Black Ash-[something]”.
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qwed117 wrote: 21 Aug 2020 06:07 Ash-[something]”.
Is this an animal?
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qwed117 wrote: 21 Aug 2020 06:07 Pèi in this context is probably best translated as the English phrase “poor little”. So now, you know “Poor Little Black Ash-[something]”.
If it were just "Poor Little Ash-[something]", I'd have guessed that it's a translation of the title of "Cinderella" or some similar story. But hmm…

Is the phrase as a whole the title of a story or a work of art or something like that?
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shimobaatar wrote: 21 Aug 2020 15:20
qwed117 wrote: 21 Aug 2020 06:07 Pèi in this context is probably best translated as the English phrase “poor little”. So now, you know “Poor Little Black Ash-[something]”.
If it were just "Poor Little Ash-[something]", I'd have guessed that it's a translation of the title of "Cinderella" or some similar story. But hmm…

Is the phrase as a whole the title of a story or a work of art or something like that
Well, it indeed is the title of Cinderella. I used the Italian title Cenerentola as the basis, and assumed the -ent suffix was a modification of -itt. The “black” is a bit of a flourish, since favīlla typically represents embers or white ashes, rather than the black ashes. In Galician favīlla’s descendant refers to mildew or snowflakes or similar white substances. I guess it functions as a bit of a double entendre, because houx, like its Latin antecessor, can mean “sad” (although in this context it would be understood to mean “black”, the same way that “Poor Cinderella” would be understood as referring to Cinderella’s social status)

By the way that means it’s your turn shimo
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Ooooooooh nice! [:D]

Delightful choice qwed; well done shimo!
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qwed117 wrote: 22 Aug 2020 19:19 Well, it indeed is the title of Cinderella. I used the Italian title Cenerentola as the basis, and assumed the -ent suffix was a modification of -itt. The “black” is a bit of a flourish, since favīlla typically represents embers or white ashes, rather than the black ashes. In Galician favīlla’s descendant refers to mildew or snowflakes or similar white substances. I guess it functions as a bit of a double entendre, because houx, like its Latin antecessor, can mean “sad” (although in this context it would be understood to mean “black”, the same way that “Poor Cinderella” would be understood as referring to Cinderella’s social status)
I'm glad I said something, then!

Very intersting stuff! Thanks for sharing some of your "process", so to speak.
Jackk wrote: 22 Aug 2020 20:51 Ooooooooh nice! [:D]

Delightful choice qwed; well done shimo!
[+1] An excellent phrase/title that made for quite a tough round!

And thank you, Jackk. [:)] Classes have just started back up for me this week, but I'll try to have something for the next round soon.
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