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Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs 2

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Let's give this a try.

Language: Lemovian
Word: kviunands frastänodheds
IPA: [ˈkʋ̥ɪ̀ʊ̯́nànts fràˈstɛ̂ːnɔ́tˌhěːts]

Edit: Split from the first thread, as it had reached over 100 pages. -Aszev, 2020-05-06

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shimobaatar wrote:
10 Mar 2020 00:37
Let's give this a try.

Language: Lemovian
Word: kviunands frastänodheds
IPA: [ˈkʋ̥ɪ̀ʊ̯́nànts fràˈstɛ̂ːnɔ́tˌhěːts]
Is it a noun phrase?

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spanick wrote:
10 Mar 2020 00:57
shimobaatar wrote:
10 Mar 2020 00:37
Let's give this a try.

Language: Lemovian
Word: kviunands frastänodheds
IPA: [ˈkʋ̥ɪ̀ʊ̯́nànts fràˈstɛ̂ːnɔ́tˌhěːts]
Is it a noun phrase?
[tick]

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Is Kviunands a present participle?

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spanick wrote:
10 Mar 2020 02:50
Is Kviunands a present participle?
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Comes kviunands from *kwīnandz?
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J_from_Holland wrote:
10 Mar 2020 11:21
Comes kviunands from *kwīnandz?
[cross] It does not.

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Did the verb begin with *kw in PG?

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spanick wrote:
14 Mar 2020 19:15
Did the verb begin with *kw in PG?
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From **kwiknaną?
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qwed117 wrote:
18 Mar 2020 00:21
From **kwiknaną?
[tick] Essentially.

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Is frastänodheds composed of multiple morpheme but only one root (not a compound)?

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spanick wrote:
26 Mar 2020 12:57
Is frastänodheds composed of multiple morpheme but only one root (not a compound)?
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shimobaatar wrote:
10 Mar 2020 00:37
Language: Lemovian
Word: kviunands frastänodheds
IPA: [ˈkʋ̥ɪ̀ʊ̯́nànts fràˈstɛ̂ːnɔ́tˌhěːts]
  • It is a noun phrase.
  • kviunands is the present participle of a verb deriving from *kwiknaną.
  • frastänodheds is made up of multiple morphemes, but there is only one root. It is not a compound.
As a hint, frastänodheds consists of five morphemes.

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Are they, broadly speaking:
fra-
-stan-
-od-
-het-
s

?

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Salmoneus wrote:
11 Apr 2020 02:01
Are they, broadly speaking:
fra-
-stan-
-od-
-het-
s

?
[tick] fra-stän-od-hed-s

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Do these correspond to:

fra-, fram, furi-, furai-? (any or all - they're largely merged in most daughter languages)

standana/sta:na? (either of the verbs for 'to stand')

something else I can't guess at...

haiduz? (the -heit/-hood suffix)?

genitive singular -as/-is?

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Salmoneus wrote:
11 Apr 2020 12:51
fra-, fram, furi-, furai-? (any or all - they're largely merged in most daughter languages)
[tick] *fra- is specifically what I had in mind.
Salmoneus wrote:
11 Apr 2020 12:51
standana/sta:na? (either of the verbs for 'to stand')
[cross]
Salmoneus wrote:
11 Apr 2020 12:51
haiduz? (the -heit/-hood suffix)?
[tick]

It could potentially be helpful for me to note that this suffix was borrowed from Middle Low German rather than inherited directly from Proto-Germanic.
Salmoneus wrote:
11 Apr 2020 12:51
genitive singular -as/-is?
[cross] It was nominative singular, but as I've noted below, including this suffix on this particular word was a mistake on my part.

My apologies - I've just realized that the phrase should actually be kviunande frastänodhed. The only difference has to do with grammatical gender, so nothing has changed in terms of meaning.

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kviunande
  • The present participle of a verb deriving from Proto-Germanic *kwiknaną.
  • Modifies the head of the noun phrase, and therefore takes the feminine nominative singular agreement suffix -e.
frastänodhed
  • The head of the noun phrase.
  • Made up of four morphemes, but only one root: fra-stän-od-hed.
  • The first morpheme is descended from Proto-Germanic *fra-.
  • The second morpheme is not descended from Proto-Germanic *standaną or *stāną.
  • The fourth morpheme is equivalent to the English suffix -hood, but was borrowed from Middle Low German rather than directly inherited from Proto-Germanic *haiduz.
Some additional information that may be helpful:
  • The root of frastänodhed is -stän-.
  • frastänodhed is a noun derived from the past participle of a verb.

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If anyone's still interested in guessing, I could give some additional information. Or should I just reveal the meaning so someone else can take the next turn?

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