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Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs 2

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shimobaatar wrote: 22 Nov 2020 16:14
Salmoneus wrote: 22 Nov 2020 15:35 Does it mean the delimitation of electoral constituencies? (i.e. 'redistricting', 'determination of seat boundaries', etc)
Very, very close! welledges is indeed "electoral constituencies/districts". teketting has decidedly negative connotations, however.
Gerrymandering?
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Is it specifically gerrymandering?

EDIT: oh, beaten to it. Knew I should have suggested it in my last post...
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Salmoneus wrote: 22 Nov 2020 19:14 Is it specifically gerrymandering?

EDIT: oh, beaten to it. Knew I should have suggested it in my last post...
You can have it! Only 54 minutes difference; just luck in my opinion.
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eldin raigmore wrote: 22 Nov 2020 17:08 Gerrymandering?
Salmoneus wrote: 22 Nov 2020 19:14 Is it specifically gerrymandering?
[tick] Yes! Something like "the butchering of electoral district boundaries".
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eldin raigmore wrote: 22 Nov 2020 21:11
Salmoneus wrote: 22 Nov 2020 19:14 Is it specifically gerrymandering?

EDIT: oh, beaten to it. Knew I should have suggested it in my last post...
You can have it! Only 54 minutes difference; just luck in my opinion.
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Salmoneus wrote: 22 Nov 2020 22:09
eldin raigmore wrote: 22 Nov 2020 21:11
Salmoneus wrote: 22 Nov 2020 19:14 Is it specifically gerrymandering?

EDIT: oh, beaten to it. Knew I should have suggested it in my last post...
You can have it! Only 54 minutes difference; just luck in my opinion.
Oh no, you take it. It'll teach me to be bolder next time.

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I think you deserve it because I wouldn’t have gotten it without shimobataar’s broad hint in reply to your very accurate last guess.

But also; I genuinely am not prepared to take a turn right now.
So I think I’d like you to continue the fun!
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eldin raigmore wrote: 22 Nov 2020 23:06
Salmoneus wrote: 22 Nov 2020 22:09
eldin raigmore wrote: 22 Nov 2020 21:11
Salmoneus wrote: 22 Nov 2020 19:14 Is it specifically gerrymandering?

EDIT: oh, beaten to it. Knew I should have suggested it in my last post...
You can have it! Only 54 minutes difference; just luck in my opinion.
Oh no, you take it. It'll teach me to be bolder next time.

[unless you genuinely don't want a turn right now, in which case I can take it for you]
I think you deserve it because I wouldn’t have gotten it without shimobataar’s broad hint in reply to your very accurate last guess.

But also; I genuinely am not prepared to take a turn right now.
So I think I’d like you to continue the fun!
Thank you.

Unfortunately I don't have a good word to hand, but I'll rummage something up hopefully relatively soon...
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Salmoneus wrote: 22 Nov 2020 23:41 Unfortunately I don't have a good word to hand, but I'll rummage something up hopefully relatively soon...
No worries, of course! Take as much time as you need.
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Update: I've remembered about this again!

Will get back onto it!
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You could pretty much pick any random word in Old Wentish, since the sound changes aren't published.
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Sure, but the sound changes to Old Wenthish are also almost all really obvious, so that most OW words are fairly transparent to speakers of Germanic languages. [some random words: snúta (snout); sittena (sit); meolc (milk); etc]. I want to find something that isn't so immediately obvious, without just being a loanword. It also doesn't help that I'm in the middle of (read: gotten distracted from) updating the existing lexicon.


So I've gone with a modern Wenthish word. It's not a great one, I'm afraid, and it's probably not going to be easy - ideally I'd go with something where you take a while to work it out and then kick yourself afterward, but this isn't one of those, I don't think. Nonetheless, it has a few interesting features, so, why not:

rą́ngongblądha
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can it be divided at least into *rą́ngong+*blądha, and is the latter element (in this division, lattermost in some other) derived from either *blandijana or *blandana?
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qwed117 wrote: 02 Dec 2020 08:25 can it be divided at least into *rą́ngong+*blądha,
Yes.
and is the latter element (in this division, lattermost in some other) derived from either *blandijana or *blandana?
No.
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Can rą́ngong be further subdivided?
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Just to clarify, does <ą> represent something that developed in part from a nasal segment? Also, did the origin of *blądha begin with a *b in Proto-Germanic?
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Creyeditor wrote: 02 Dec 2020 18:18 Can rą́ngong be further subdivided?
Yes, it can be
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qwed117 wrote: 02 Dec 2020 20:22 Just to clarify, does <ą> represent something that developed in part from a nasal segment?
I'm afraid not, no. It can sometimes develop from a nasalised vowel or a vowel before a nasal in some circumstances, but neither explains its presence here.
[orthographical tangent: the 'ogonek' here is actually by analogy with the ogoneked forms of <e> and <o>, which, as in Norse, in turn derive from a visual blend of that vowel with <a>. The extended tail was then analogically extended back to <a> itself]

FWIW, the acute accent indicates length, and a-ogonek-acute indicates back /A:/. a-ogonek-in-open-syllable may indicate exactly the same thing, or may indicate /V:/, I'm not sure which yet.
Also, did the origin of *blądha begin with a *b in Proto-Germanic?
It did, yes.
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Salmoneus wrote: 02 Dec 2020 22:57
Creyeditor wrote: 02 Dec 2020 18:18 Can rą́ngong be further subdivided?
Yes, it can be
Is the correct way rą́n-gong?
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Does *blądha originate in *bladą, and if not that then, blauþijaną?
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Creyeditor wrote: 03 Dec 2020 07:19
Salmoneus wrote: 02 Dec 2020 22:57
Creyeditor wrote: 02 Dec 2020 18:18 Can rą́ngong be further subdivided?
Yes, it can be
Is the correct way rą́n-gong?
I'm afraid not.
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