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Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs 2

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qwed117 wrote: 03 Dec 2020 08:52 Does *blądha originate in *bladą,
Sadly not.
and if not that then, blauþijaną?
Alas, no.


I'll add another potentially useful note on spelling: the final -a is just schwa.

[the rest of the pronunciation is as you'd expect it to be. Except I suppose that the -o- is actually a rounded central vowel; I'm not sure whether it should be -o- or -u-, but that's not important, and is just an allophony thing - it doesn't affect the etymology. Oh, and you've probably guessed, but the stress is on the first syllable, with secondary stress on the third]
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hmm, what does *dh represent? I've been running on the assumption that it's an edh/voiced dental fricative. Also does *dh originate from one segment in PG?
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Is the whole word a verb?
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qwed117 wrote: 03 Dec 2020 21:10 hmm, what does *dh represent? I've been running on the assumption that it's an edh/voiced dental fricative. Also does *dh originate from one segment in PG?
Oh, sorry: yes, it's /D/, and it was a single phoneme in PGmc
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Creyeditor wrote: 03 Dec 2020 21:26 Is the whole word a verb?
It is not, no.

[I'll just give a warning at this point: I can't off-hand think of a one-word English translation for this word, so I'll have to be a bit generous in marking translations. However, I don't think the concept should be difficult to understand.]
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Salmoneus wrote: 03 Dec 2020 21:42
Creyeditor wrote: 03 Dec 2020 21:26 Is the whole word a verb?
It is not, no.
A noun?
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Hmm, are there any elided syllables in *bladha “between” the b and the l?
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Good thinking, but no!
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Salmoneus wrote: 03 Dec 2020 13:12
Creyeditor wrote: 03 Dec 2020 07:19
Salmoneus wrote: 02 Dec 2020 22:57
Creyeditor wrote: 02 Dec 2020 18:18 Can rą́ngong be further subdivided?
Yes, it can be
Is the correct way rą́n-gong?
I'm afraid not.
Is it rą́ng-ong?
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Is ong a lexical root?
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The Proto-Germanic segment that became *bladha, did it begin with the sequence *bl?
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Is ong a nominalizer/gerund/participle suffix?
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qwed117 wrote: 13 Dec 2020 05:59 The Proto-Germanic segment that became *bladha, did it begin with the sequence *bl?
No!

EDIT: well, technically no, at least. Diachronically, the segment does not descend from a word begining with *bl. However, in folk etymology it is widely confused with some words descending from such a sequence, and this has somewhat tinted the connotations. However, you needn't worry about that for the purposes of the game...
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Creyeditor wrote: 13 Dec 2020 11:42 Is ong a nominalizer/gerund/participle suffix?
Yes. For the purposes of this word, you can see it as a gerund or verbal noun deriver.
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Did the PG root that became rą́ng start with an *r?
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Nope!
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Was the Proto-Germanic root something with a W in its onset, like *þwinganą or *wrangaz?
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Khemehekis wrote: 14 Dec 2020 00:39 Was the Proto-Germanic root something with a W in its onset, like *þwinganą or *wrangaz?
Which root - of the first element or the second?

But this is a rhetorical question, since the answer would be 'no' in either case.
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