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Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs 2
Posted: 03 Dec 2020 13:16
by Salmoneus
qwed117 wrote: ↑03 Dec 2020 08:52
Does *blądha originate in *bladą,
Sadly not.
and if not that then, blauþijaną?
Alas, no.
I'll add another potentially useful note on spelling: the final -a is just schwa.
[the rest of the pronunciation is as you'd expect it to be. Except I suppose that the -o- is actually a rounded central vowel; I'm not sure whether it should be -o- or -u-, but that's not important, and is just an allophony thing - it doesn't affect the etymology. Oh, and you've probably guessed, but the stress is on the first syllable, with secondary stress on the third]
Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs 2
Posted: 03 Dec 2020 21:10
by qwed117
hmm, what does *dh represent? I've been running on the assumption that it's an edh/voiced dental fricative. Also does *dh originate from one segment in PG?
Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs 2
Posted: 03 Dec 2020 21:26
by Creyeditor
Is the whole word a verb?
Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs 2
Posted: 03 Dec 2020 21:39
by Salmoneus
qwed117 wrote: ↑03 Dec 2020 21:10
hmm, what does *dh represent? I've been running on the assumption that it's an edh/voiced dental fricative. Also does *dh originate from one segment in PG?
Oh, sorry: yes, it's /D/, and it was a single phoneme in PGmc
Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs 2
Posted: 03 Dec 2020 21:42
by Salmoneus
Creyeditor wrote: ↑03 Dec 2020 21:26
Is the whole word a verb?
It is not, no.
[I'll just give a warning at this point: I can't off-hand think of a one-word English translation for this word, so I'll have to be a bit generous in marking translations. However, I don't think the concept should be difficult to understand.]
Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs 2
Posted: 04 Dec 2020 08:21
by Creyeditor
Salmoneus wrote: ↑03 Dec 2020 21:42
Creyeditor wrote: ↑03 Dec 2020 21:26
Is the whole word a verb?
It is not, no.
A noun?
Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs 2
Posted: 04 Dec 2020 08:55
by qwed117
Hmm, are there any elided syllables in *bladha “between” the b and the l?
Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs 2
Posted: 04 Dec 2020 12:59
by Salmoneus
Good thinking, but no!
Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs 2
Posted: 12 Dec 2020 22:07
by Creyeditor
Salmoneus wrote: ↑03 Dec 2020 13:12
Creyeditor wrote: ↑03 Dec 2020 07:19
Salmoneus wrote: ↑02 Dec 2020 22:57
Creyeditor wrote: ↑02 Dec 2020 18:18
Can rą́ngong be further subdivided?
Yes, it can be
Is the correct way rą́n-gong?
I'm afraid not.
Is it rą́ng-ong?
Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs 2
Posted: 12 Dec 2020 22:33
by Salmoneus
yes
Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs 2
Posted: 12 Dec 2020 22:35
by Creyeditor
Is ong a lexical root?
Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs 2
Posted: 13 Dec 2020 01:25
by Salmoneus
no
Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs 2
Posted: 13 Dec 2020 05:59
by qwed117
The Proto-Germanic segment that became *bladha, did it begin with the sequence *bl?
Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs 2
Posted: 13 Dec 2020 11:42
by Creyeditor
Is ong a nominalizer/gerund/participle suffix?
Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs 2
Posted: 13 Dec 2020 13:14
by Salmoneus
qwed117 wrote: ↑13 Dec 2020 05:59
The Proto-Germanic segment that became *bladha, did it begin with the sequence *bl?
No!
EDIT: well, technically no, at least. Diachronically, the segment does not descend from a word begining with *bl. However, in folk etymology it is widely confused with some words descending from such a sequence, and this has somewhat tinted the connotations. However, you needn't worry about that for the purposes of the game...
Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs 2
Posted: 13 Dec 2020 13:15
by Salmoneus
Creyeditor wrote: ↑13 Dec 2020 11:42
Is
ong a nominalizer/gerund/participle suffix?
Yes. For the purposes of this word, you can see it as a gerund or verbal noun deriver.
Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs 2
Posted: 13 Dec 2020 19:47
by Creyeditor
Did the PG root that became rą́ng start with an *r?
Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs 2
Posted: 14 Dec 2020 00:21
by Salmoneus
Nope!
Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs 2
Posted: 14 Dec 2020 00:39
by Khemehekis
Was the Proto-Germanic root something with a W in its onset, like *þwinganą or *wrangaz?
Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs 2
Posted: 14 Dec 2020 12:42
by Salmoneus
Khemehekis wrote: ↑14 Dec 2020 00:39
Was the Proto-Germanic root something with a W in its onset, like
*þwinganą or
*wrangaz?
Which root - of the first element or the second?
But this is a rhetorical question, since the answer would be 'no' in either case.