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Re: Quick Diachronics Challenge

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The proto-forms were:

[sˤaːˈratti] [ˈvortˤe] [ˈdʒalym] [ˈʕiːkke]

Sound changes and intermediary forms below:
Spoiler:
A-Z → A-H
[xaːˈrati] [ˈworte] [ˈjajym] [ˈʕiːke]
1. Cˤ → Cʕ
2. v dʒ → w j
3. [geminate] → [-geminate]
4. sʕ tʕ → x t
5. l → j / _[high vowel]

A-H → ABCD
[xaːˈrætʃi] [ˈwurtʃe] [ˈjæy̯m] [ˈiːtʃe]
1. j → Ø / _y
2. ʕ → Ø
3. {t, k} → tʃ / _{i, e}
4. a o → æ u / [stressed]

ABCD → AB
[xae̯ˈlætʃi] [ˈuʃtʃe] [ˈjøy̯m] [ˈɪi̯tʃe]
1. aː iː → ae̯ ɪi̯
2. r → ʃ / ̠C
3. r → l
4. æy̯ → øy̯
5. w → Ø

AB → A
[haə̯ˈlætʃɨ] [ˈuɸtʃə] [ˈɥøy̯m] [ˈei̯tʃə]
x → h
ʃ j → ɸ ɥ / [round vowel]_ , _[round vowel]
ɪi̯ → ei̯
[front vowel] → [central] / [unstressed]

AB → B
[xae̯ˈdeci] [ˈuːce] [ˈɟø̃ỹ̯] [ˈɪi̯ce]
Vm → V[nasal]
l j → d ɟ
tʃ → c
Vʃ → Vː / _C
æ → e

ABCD → CD
[xɑːˈrædʒi] [ˈpurdze] [ˈɟæːm] [ˈeːdze]
w j → p ɟ
C → [voiced] / [voiced]_[voiced]
aː iː → ɑː eː
æy̯ → æː
dʒ → dz / ! _i

CD → C
[kɑːˈrɐʒi] [ˈpurdze] [ˈɟaːm] [ˈeːre]
[fricative] → [stop] / #_
[affricate] → [fricative] / V_V
æ æː → ɐ aː
z → r

CD → D
[ɑːˈrædʒi] [ˈpudre] [ˈdeə̯m] [ˈeːdze]
x → Ø
ɟ → d
æː → eə̯
rC → Cr
dz → d / _C

A-H → EFGH
[xarˈti] [ˈtrwe] [iˈjui̯m] [ɣiˈke]
stress shifts to final syllable
[short unstressed vowel] [long vowel] → Ø [short vowel]
ʕ → ɣ
y → ui̯
C[higher sonority]C[lower sonority] → C[lower sonority]C[higher sonority] / _V

EFGH → EF
[arˈti] [ˈtʁa] [iˈjumi] [iˈka]
[fricative] → Ø / #_
rw → ʁ
e → a
ui̯C → uCi

EF → E
[anˈtθʲi] [ˈtθʁa] [iˈjumʲi] [iˈkxa]
Ci → Cʲi
r → n
[stop] → [affricate] / _[stressed vowel]

EF → F
[arˈtsiː] [ˈtχaː] [iˈjuːmi] [iˈtsaː]
{t, k} → ts
tʁ → tχ
[stressed vowel] → [long]

EFGH → GH
[kaːˈti] [ˈtwe] [iˈʃəi̯m] [giˈxe]
Vr → Vː
ui̯ → əi̯
ɣ x → g k
j → ʃ
k → x / V_V

GH → G
[kaˈri] [ˈtwe] [ɪˈroi̯m] [jɪˈɣe]
əi̯ → oi̯
aː {e, i} → a ɪ / [unstressed]
t ʃ → d ʒ → r / V_V
x → ɣ
g → j

GH → H
[kaːˈθi] [ˈtwɛj] [eˈhəi̯m] [dʒiˈhɛj]
e → ɛj
i → e / [unstressed]
g → dʒ
{ʃ x} → h
t → θ / V_V

A-Z → I-Q
[sˤɑːˈrɑtˤe] [ˈrovdˤɤ] [ˈdʒaliː] [ˈʕɤːkˤɤ]
[geminate] → [pharyngealized][-geminate]
a(ː) i e iː → ɑ(ː) e ɤ ɤː / [pharyngealized]_, _[pharyngealized]
y → i
Vm → Vː
CVrC → rVCC
[unvoiced] → [voiced] / [voiced consonant]_

I-Q → IJKLM
[ʃˤɑːˈrɑtˤ] [ˈrou̯dˤ] [ˈdali] [ˈɦɤːq]
sˤ → ʃˤ
v → u
kˤ → q
ʕ → ɦ
[vowel] → Ø / _#
dʒ → d

IJKLM → IJK
[ʃɑ̰ːˈʋɑ̰t] [ˈʋɒ̰u̯d] [ˈdzeʎi] [ˈə̰ːq]
l → ʎ
a → e / _ʎ
o → ɒ / r_
d → dz / [front vowel]_
ɤː → əː
V → [creaky voice] / {ɦ, [pharyngealized consonant]}_, _{ɦ, [pharyngealized consonant]}
r → ʋ

IJK → I
[ʃɸɑ̰ˈʋɑ̰t] [ˈʋɒ̰u̯d] [ˈdzei̯ʎ] [ˈjə̰ʔ]
q → ʔ
əː ɑː → jə wɑ
ʃw → ʃɸ
ʎi → iʎ

IJK → J
[sɑ̀ːtwɑ̀] [dwɑ̀u̯] [zéʎí] [qə̀ː]
ʃ → s
[creaky voice] → [low tone]
ʋ → w
(C)VC# → C(C)V#
dz → z

IJK → K
[ʃnɑːˈŋɑθ] [ˈɲɒːθ] [ˈdʑei̯] [ˈŋəːx]
ʋ → m
m → β / V_V
d → t / _#
q → k
ɒu → ɒː
[stop] → [fricative] / _#
dz → dʑ
ʎ → j
ji → j
V[creaky voice] → ŋV
VCŋ → Vŋ
ʃŋ → ʃn
mŋ → ɲ

IJKLM → LM
[ɣoːˈla] [ˈløwi] [ˈdæli] [ˈhɯː]
ʃˤ → ɣ
r → l
ɑ ɑː → a oː
tˤ dˤ → θ ð
ð → i
θ → Ø
vowel height harmony implemented (highː i e ɤ ø æ lowː o a)
q → lost
ɤ → ɯ
ɦ → h

LM → L
[o̰ːˈla] [ˈɬøw] [ˈtæl] [ˈɯ̤ː]
[voiced fricative]V → ØV[creaky voice] / #_
[unvoiced fricative]V → ØV[breathy voice] / #_
l d → ɬ t / #_
V → Ø / [unstressed]

LM → M
[ħoˈle] [ˈlɪwi] [ˈnæli] [ˈhɰɯ]
oː ɯː → wo ɰɯ
ɣw → ħ
ø → ɪ
d → n
a → e

I-Q → NOPQ
[ʃʃæːˈʁotə] [ˈʁæːdɮə] [ˈdɮeɬəː] [ˈʔɨːkə]
sˤ → ʃʃ
ɑː → æː
r → ʁ
ɑ → o
tˤ kˤ → t k
V → ə / _#
v → j
oj → æː
{dˤ, dʒ} → dɮ
a → e
l → ɬ
ʕ → ʔ
ɤː → ɨː

NOPQ → NO
[iʃˈqʰodə] [ˈqædɮə] [iɮˈɮeɬə] [ˈʔɨgə]
dɮ → ɮɮ / #_
Ø → i / #_[geminate]
[long vowel] → [short vowel]
V → Ø / [unstressed] ! #_, _#
[stop] → [voiced] / V_V
ʁ → q
ʃq → qʰ

NO → N
[aɴˈqχɔdə] [ˈqadɮə] [inˈɮɛɬ] [ˈŋɘgɯ]
qʰ → qχ
o æ e ɨ → ɔ a ɛ ɘ / [stressed]
ə → ɯ / [velar]_
ə → Ø / [voiceless consonant]_#
[fricative] → h / _C
[glottal] → ŋ
nasal assimilation
i → a / _[uvular]

NO → O
[iχˈχoda] [ˈqædza] [ilˈlela] [ˈʔiga]
ʃqʰ → χχ
[lateral fricative] [lateral affricate] → [-fricative] dz
ɨ ə → i a

NOPQ → PQ
[tʃəʃæi̯ˈjotə] [ˈjæi̯dəɮə] [dəˈɮeɬəː] [ˈʔɨːkə]
Ø → ə / C_C
ʃVʃ → tʃVʃ
æː → æi̯
ʁ → j

PQ → P
[tʃə̯æi̯ˈjoθə] [ˈjæi̯dəʒə] [əˈʒeːə̯] [ˈɨːə̯]
[lateral fricative] → [-lateral +postalveolar]
ʔ → Ø
[stop] → [fricative] / V_V
[unvoiced fricative] → Ø / ! θ
d → ð → Ø

PQ → Q
[θəseˈccoj] [ˈjeɟɟəj] [dəˈjeçə] [ˈθɨcc]
[posalveolar] → [alveolar]
ɮ → j
[vowel] → Ø / _#
ijVC → iCVj
{t, k} d → c ɟ / [front vowel]_
æi̯ → eː
V[long vowel]C[-geminate] → V[-long]C[+geminate]
ʔ → t
t → tʰ → θ / #_

A-Z → R-Z
[ʂɑːzzàti] [vóʈɤ] [dʒalý] [ʁʁìːke]
VC[stop] → V[high tone]Ø / _{#, C}
VC[resonant] → V[low tone]Ø / _{#, C}
[pharyngealized consonant] → [retroflex -pharyngealized]
ʕ → ʀ
a e → ɑ ɤ / [retroflex]_
[trill] → [geminate fricative]

R-Z → RSTUV
[hɑːzzài̯tsi] [vóːlɤ] [dʒai̯lý] [ʁʁìːtse]
ʂ ʈ → h l
[stressed high tone vowel] → [long]
a → ai̯ / _(C)V[high]
{t, k} → ts / [high vowel]_, _[high vowel]

RSTUV → RST
[ʔɑ́ːzzèi̯dzí] [pǿy̯lɤ̀] [ʒèi̯lý] [qèi̯dzé]
h → ʔ
ʁʁ → ʁ
v ʁ → p q
oː → yː
[mid tone] → [high tone] / [low tone]_
[mid tone] → [low tone] / [high tone]_
dʒ → ʒ
{ai̯, iː} → ei̯
yː → øy̯
[affricate] → [voiced] / V_V

RST → R
[ʔɑ́ːddʒèːð] [ɸǿːl] [ʒèːl] [χèːð]
dz → ð
[vowel] → Ø / _#
q p → χ ɸ
ei øy → eː øː
zz → dʒː

RST → S
[áːzèi̯dʒí] [bói̯ɫɯ̀] [ʒèi̯ɫý] [ɢèi̯dzí]
dz → dʒ / _i
zz → z
øy → oi
l → ɫ
ʔ → Ø
ɑ(ː) → a(ː)
p q → b ɢ
ɤ e → ɯ i / _#

RST → T
[ʔǽɪ̯zzèdʑí] [pǿʎɤ̀] [ʒèʎý] [qèdʑé]
Vi̯CV → VCjV
dzj → dʑ
lj → ʎ
ɑː → æɪ

RSTUV → UV
[ɑɣəzzàʃtsi] [wówle] [dʒaʒlý] [əzzìʃtse]
i̯ → ʒ
iː ɑː oː → iʒ ɑɣ ow
ʒts → ʃts
ɤ → e
Ø → ə / [geminate]_{C, #}, {C, #}_[geminate]
ʁ → z
h → Ø
v → w

UV → U
[ɑ̀ɣzə̀zâʃsì] [wówlè] [ʒàʒlý] [zə̀zîʃsè]
dʒ ts → ʒ s
VCː → CVC
[low tone] [mid tone] → [falling tone] [low tone]

UV → V
[ɑːrràttʃi] [ówle] [daʒlú] [ərrìttʃe]
z → r
w → Ø / #_
ɣ → Ø / V_V
ɑə → ɑː
ʃts → ttʃ
y → u
dʒ → d

R-Z → WXYZ
[ʂɐːzɐ̀tə] [vóʈə] [jɐlú] [ʁìːkə]
[geminate] → [-geminate]
ɤ y → o u
a ɑ → ɐ
[mid tone vowel] → ə / _#
dʒ → j

WXYZ → WX
[hæːˈzɑθə] [ˈhoʂə] [ˈjeɫu] [ˈhiːxə]
[stop] → [fricative] / V_V
[fricative] → h / #_
[tone] → [-tone]
[penultimate syllable] → [+stress]
l → ɫ
ɐ → e / j_, _j
ɐː ɐ → æː ɑ

WX → W
[hæːˈzɑh] [ˈhoh] [ˈjeɫv̩] [ˈçiːh]
ə → Ø
u → v̩
h → ç / _i
[fricative] → h / _#

WX → X
[hæːˈzɑːðə] [ˈhoːʐə] [ˈeːjɫu] [ˈhiːɣə]
[vowel] → [long] / [stressed]
[fricative] → [voiced] / V_V
jV → Vj

WXYZ → YZ
[ʂɐːrɐ̀tə] [ʙóʈʷə] [jɐlʷú] [ʀìːkʲə]
v z ʁ → ʙ r ʀ
iC → iCʲ
[consonant] → [labialized] / [round vowel]_, _[round vowel]

YZ → Y
[ʂaːràtə] [ʙóɻʷə] [jawú] [ʀìːcə]
ʈ → ɻ
lʷ → w
kʲ → c
ɐ → a

YZ → Z
[ʐaɐ̯rə̀də] [ʙóɖɵ] [jəlú] [ʀèi̯gɨ]
[obstruent] → [voiced] / _V
ɐː iː → aɐ̯ ei̯
ɐ → ə
[labialized consonant]V → [-labialized]V[+rounded]
ə →ɨ / [palatalized consonant]_
[palatalized consonant] → [-palatalized]
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Re: Quick Diachronics Challenge

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Cool! Thank you for putting all of this together. I'm going to be pretty busy through this coming week, but I'll try to have something for the next round soon.
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Re: Quick Diachronics Challenge

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shimobaatar wrote: 13 Feb 2021 22:32 Cool! Thank you for putting all of this together. I'm going to be pretty busy through this coming week, but I'll try to have something for the next round soon.
I just wanted to confirm that I am working on preparing the next round.
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Re: Quick Diachronics Challenge

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Sorry for the delay. Hopefully this won't be too easy or too hard.

A [ˈt͡ɕʼiːnd͡zuː] - [guˈt͡θʼɛːŋa] - [ˌt͡ɕiːt͡sʼaˈɓeː] - [haˈðoːppɔː] - [ʈ͡ʂʼiːˈnʱaːð]

B [ˈt͡ʃʼindru] - [goˈt͡θʼɛma] - [ˈt͡ʃit͡ʃʼaˌɓe] - [haˈvoːpɔ] - [ˈt͡sʼiŋŋan]

C [ˈt͡sʼinɔs] - [goˈt͡θʼœːma] - [ˈt͡siːt͡sʼaʔ] - [haˈfoʔef] - [ˈt͡sʼinɛççe]

D [ˈt͡sʼinsu] - [goˈtʼɛwm] - [ˈt͡səjt͡sʼwe] - [haˈtoːpɔ]- [ˈt͡sʼin̥n̥aj]

E [ˈkʼiːnt͡su] - [ˈxtʼɛːmə] - [ˈkiːt͡sʼəˌɓeː] - [ˈsto̰jpɔ] - [ˈt͡ʃʼiːn̥n̥aʒ]

F [ˈkʼʊ̃jsy] - [t͡θʼəˈkɔjmʊ] - [ˈkʊjt͡sʼɪˌmoj] - [ˈθo̰jpœ] - [ˈt͡ʃʼʊ̃jhɔʒ]

G [ˈkʼojxxew] - [ˈxt͡sʼĩː] - [ˈxojt͡ʃʼwaj] - [ˈxsa̰wfuː] - [ˈkʼõjhuɐ̯]

H [ˈkʼwewˌxjo] - [uˈt͡sʼem] - [ˈxwet͡ʃʼəˌvi] - [xəˈsṵfo] - [ˈkʼwennoɐ̯]

I [ˈkʼøːxuˌxøː] - [xəˈt͡sʼeːm] - [ˈxøːt͡ʃʼiˌfiː] - [xəˈsuːfoː]- [ˈkʼøːnɒː]

J [ˈkʼɑjxxæw] - [xʏˈt͡sʼeːm] - [ˈxɑjpʈ͡ʂʼiː] - [xaˈsuːfoː] - [ˈkʼɑjnɑː]

K [ˈkʼæjxəˌʂɑw] - [xəˈt͡sʼeːm] - [ˈxæjʈ͡ʂʼəˌpiː] - [xəˈswɨfoː] - [ˈkʼæjnaːx]

L [ˈkʼeɟəˌroː] - [xəˈtʼiːm] - [ˈxeːʈʼəˌviː] -[xəˈzugʷəˌvuː] - [ˈkʼeːᵈniɐ̯]

M [ˈkʼejiˌroʋ] - [ˈxtʼeːm] - [ˈxejʈʼʋiː] - [ˈgzuʋuˌʋoː] - [ˈkʼejneɐ̯]

N [ˈqʼø̃ːsy] - [ˈt͡sʼẽː] - [ˈqẽːt͡sʼe] - [ˈskøːŋø] - [ˈqʼeːner]

O [ˈqʼexsiː] - [ˈt͡sʼem] - [ˈqet͡sʼmeː] - [ˈt͡søːŋeː] - [ˈqʼeːren]

P [ˈqeŋksyː] - [ˈt͡seːmo] - [ˈqet͡smeː] - [ˈxseɲɲeː] - [ˈqeːnan]

Q [ˈʕɪːŋəˌsyː] - [ˈzˤeːmə] - [ˈqɪːzˤəˌmeː] - [xəˈseːŋeː] - [ˈʕɪːnoːnə]

R [ˈħɪŋɤˌsy] - [ʔɯˈsˤemo] - [ˈqɪsˤɛˌme] - [xɐˈsejŋe] - [ˈħɪnnɯ]

S [ˈqʼɨ̃si] - [hɨˈt͡sʼem] - [ˈqɨt͡sʼɛˌme] - [qaˈsẽççe] - [ˈqʼɨlɛn]

T [ˈqʼɨ̃ːsiː] - [ˈt͡sʼeːmɤ] - [ˈqɨːt͡sʼɛˌmeː] - [ˈqsẽɲeː] - [ˈqʼɨːnɛːlɨ]

U [kʼɨ́ŋosú] - [kut͡sʼɛ́ma] - [d͡ʒít͡sʼɛɓé] - [d͡ʒɛsôʃpá] - [t͡ʃʼîːnɛ̌ːlɨ]

V [kɨ́ŋuhú] - [kʰut͡sɛ́ma] - [ít͡sɛwé] - [jasø̂ːpá] - [kîːnɔ̌ːlɨ]

W [kkɨ́nosú] - [kùθθɛ́ma] - [îtt͡sɛ̀ppé] - [awôːpá] - [kkínnɔ̌ːwɨ]

X [ə́kɨ́ŋòsú] - [kǔːtɛ́mɔ̀] - [íːt͡sɛ̌ːpé] - [àhôːpɔ́] - [ə́kíɲɲǎːwɨ̀]

Y [kɨ́ŋòʃú] - [kùsɛ́mɔ̀] - [ŋíʃɛ̀vé] - [hàsôːpjɔ́] - [kíɲǎːzɨ̀]

Z [kɨ̃̂wʃú] - [kùt͡sɛ̃̂w] - [ɲít͡ʃɛ̀bé] - [àswîːpɔ́] - [cĩ́jǎːdɨ̀]
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Re: Quick Diachronics Challenge

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Spoiler:
Word 1 - Word 2 - Word 3 - Word 4 - Word 4
A [ˈt͡ɕʼiːnd͡zuː] - [guˈt͡θʼɛːŋa] - [ˌt͡ɕiːt͡sʼaˈɓeː] - [haˈðoːppɔː] - [ʈ͡ʂʼiːˈnʱaːð]
B [ˈt͡ʃʼindru] - [goˈt͡θʼɛma] - [ˈt͡ʃit͡ʃʼaˌɓe] - [haˈvoːpɔ] - [ˈt͡sʼiŋŋan]
C [ˈt͡sʼinɔs] - [goˈt͡θʼœːma] - [ˈt͡siːt͡sʼaʔ] - [haˈfoʔef] - [ˈt͡sʼinɛççe]
D [ˈt͡sʼinsu] - [goˈtʼɛwm] - [ˈt͡səjt͡sʼwe] - [haˈtoːpɔ] - [ˈt͡sʼin̥n̥aj]
E [ˈkʼiːnt͡su] - [ˈxtʼɛːmə] - [ˈkiːt͡sʼəˌɓeː] - [ˈsto̰jpɔ] - [ˈt͡ʃʼiːn̥n̥aʒ]
F [ˈkʼʊ̃jsy] - [t͡θʼəˈkɔjmʊ] - [ˈkʊjt͡sʼɪˌmoj] - [ˈθo̰jpœ] - [ˈt͡ʃʼʊ̃jhɔʒ]
G [ˈkʼojxxew] - [ˈxt͡sʼĩː] - [ˈxojt͡ʃʼwaj] - [ˈxsa̰wfuː] - [ˈkʼõjhuɐ̯]
H [ˈkʼwewˌxjo] - [uˈt͡sʼem] - [ˈxwet͡ʃʼəˌvi] - [xəˈsṵfo] - [ˈkʼwennoɐ̯]
I [ˈkʼøːxuˌxøː] - [xəˈt͡sʼeːm] - [ˈxøːt͡ʃʼiˌfiː] - [xəˈsuːfoː] - [ˈkʼøːnɒː]
J [ˈkʼɑjxxæw] - [xʏˈt͡sʼeːm] - [ˈxɑjpʈ͡ʂʼiː] - [xaˈsuːfoː] - [ˈkʼɑjnɑː]
K [ˈkʼæjxəˌʂɑw] - [xəˈt͡sʼeːm] - [ˈxæjʈ͡ʂʼəˌpiː] - [xəˈswɨfoː] - [ˈkʼæjnaːx]
L [ˈkʼeɟəˌroː] - [xəˈtʼiːm] - [ˈxeːʈʼəˌviː] - [xəˈzugʷəˌvuː] - [ˈkʼeːᵈniɐ̯]
M [ˈkʼejiˌroʋ] - [ˈxtʼeːm] - [ˈxejʈʼʋiː] - [ˈgzuʋuˌʋoː] - [ˈkʼejneɐ̯]
N [ˈqʼø̃ːsy] - [ˈt͡sʼẽː] - [ˈqẽːt͡sʼe] - [ˈskøːŋø] - [ˈqʼeːner]
O [ˈqʼexsiː] - [ˈt͡sʼem] - [ˈqet͡sʼmeː] - [ˈt͡søːŋeː] - [ˈqʼeːren]
P [ˈqeŋksyː] - [ˈt͡seːmo] - [ˈqet͡smeː] - [ˈxseɲɲeː] - [ˈqeːnan]
Q [ˈʕɪːŋəˌsyː] - [ˈzˤeːmə] - [ˈqɪːzˤəˌmeː] - [xəˈseːŋeː] - [ˈʕɪːnoːnə]
R [ˈħɪŋɤˌsy] - [ʔɯˈsˤemo] - [ˈqɪsˤɛˌme] - [xɐˈsejŋe] - [ˈħɪnnɯ]
S [ˈqʼɨ̃si] - [hɨˈt͡sʼem] - [ˈqɨt͡sʼɛˌme] - [qaˈsẽççe] - [ˈqʼɨlɛn]
T [ˈqʼɨ̃ːsiː] - [ˈt͡sʼeːmɤ] - [ˈqɨːt͡sʼɛˌmeː] - [ˈqsẽɲeː] - [ˈqʼɨːnɛːlɨ]
U [kʼɨ́ŋosú] - [kut͡sʼɛ́ma] - [d͡ʒít͡sʼɛɓé] - [d͡ʒɛsôʃpá] - [t͡ʃʼîːnɛ̌ːlɨ]
V [kɨ́ŋuhú] - [kʰut͡sɛ́ma] - [ít͡sɛwé] - [jasø̂ːpá] - [kîːnɔ̌ːlɨ]
W [kkɨ́nosú] - [kùθθɛ́ma] - [îtt͡sɛ̀ppé] - [awôːpá] - [kkínnɔ̌ːwɨ]
X [ə́kɨ́ŋòsú] - [kǔːtɛ́mɔ̀] - [íːt͡sɛ̌ːpé] - [àhôːpɔ́] - [ə́kíɲɲǎːwɨ̀]
Y [kɨ́ŋòʃú] - [kùsɛ́mɔ̀] - [ŋíʃɛ̀vé] - [hàsôːpjɔ́] - [kíɲǎːzɨ̀]
Z [kɨ̃̂wʃú] - [kùt͡sɛ̃̂w] - [ɲít͡ʃɛ̀bé] - [àswîːpɔ́] - [cĩ́jǎːdɨ̀]


So, let's try some grouping first:

Word initial consonsants in Word 1 seem to fall consistently into four distinct groups to start: A-D (glottalic affricate), E-M (glottalic velar), N-T (glottalic uvular), and U-Z (velar)

If I had to guess at any higher grouping, A-D and E-M seem to be the most closely related, followed by A-M and N-T, with U-Z branching off earlier from the proto-language


Word 1 - Word 2 - Word 3 - Word 4 - Word 4
A [ˈt͡ɕʼiːnd͡zuː] - [guˈt͡θʼɛːŋa] - [ˌt͡ɕiːt͡sʼaˈɓeː] - [haˈðoːppɔː] - [ʈ͡ʂʼiːˈnʱaːð]
B [ˈt͡ʃʼindru] - [goˈt͡θʼɛma] - [ˈt͡ʃit͡ʃʼaˌɓe] - [haˈvoːpɔ] - [ˈt͡sʼiŋŋan]
< [ˈt͡ʃʼiːndzuː] - [goˈt͡θʼɛːma] - [ˈt͡ʃiːt͡ʃʼaˌɓeː] - [haˈðoːpɔː] - [ˈt͡sʼiːnhad]

C [ˈt͡sʼinɔs] - [goˈt͡θʼœːma] - [ˈt͡siːt͡sʼaʔ] - [haˈfoʔef] - [ˈt͡sʼinɛççe]
D [ˈt͡sʼinsu] - [goˈtʼɛwm] - [ˈt͡səjt͡sʼwe] - [haˈtoːpɔ] - [ˈt͡sʼin̥n̥aj]
< [ˈt͡sʼinsu] - [goˈt͡θʼœːma] - [ˈt͡siːt͡sʼaɓe] - [haˈθoːpɔw] - [ˈt͡sʼinhaçe]

AB[ˈt͡ʃʼiːndzuː] - [goˈt͡θʼɛːma] - [ˈt͡ʃiːt͡ʃʼaˌɓeː] - [haˈðoːpɔː] - [ˈt͡sʼiːnhad]
CD[ˈt͡sʼinsu] - [goˈt͡θʼœːma] - [ˈt͡siːt͡sʼaɓe] - [haˈθoːpɔw] - [ˈt͡sʼinhaçe]
<<[ˈt͡ʃʼiːnsuː] - [goˈt͡θʼɛːmo] - [ˈt͡ʃiːt͡ʃʼaˌɓeː] - [haˈθoːpɔː] - [ˈt͡sʼiːnhade]


E [ˈkʼiːnt͡su] - [ˈxtʼɛːmə] - [ˈkiːt͡sʼəˌɓeː] - [ˈsto̰jpɔ] - [ˈt͡ʃʼiːn̥n̥aʒ]
F [ˈkʼʊ̃jsy] - [t͡θʼəˈkɔjmʊ] - [ˈkʊjt͡sʼɪˌmoj] - [ˈθo̰jpœ] - [ˈt͡ʃʼʊ̃jhɔʒ]
< [ˈkʼiːnsu] - [xəˈt͡θʼɛːmo] - [ˈkiːt͡sʼəˌɓeː] - [ˈθo̰jpɔ] - [ˈt͡ʃʼiːnhɑʒ]

G [ˈkʼojxxew] - [ˈxt͡sʼĩː] - [ˈxojt͡ʃʼwaj] - [ˈxsa̰wfuː] - [ˈkʼõjhuɐ̯]
H [ˈkʼwewˌxjo] - [uˈt͡sʼem] - [ˈxwet͡ʃʼəˌvi] - [xəˈsṵfo] - [ˈkʼwennoɐ̯]
I [ˈkʼøːxuˌxøː] - [xəˈt͡sʼeːm] - [ˈxøːt͡ʃʼiˌfiː] - [xəˈsuːfoː] - [ˈkʼøːnɒː]
< [ˈkʼojxuˌxew] - [xəˈt͡sʼeːm] - [ˈxojt͡ʃʼiˌfiː] - [xəˈsuːfoː] - [ˈkʼojnɑh]

J [ˈkʼɑjxxæw] - [xʏˈt͡sʼeːm] - [ˈxɑjpʈ͡ʂʼiː] - [xaˈsuːfoː] - [ˈkʼɑjnɑː]
K [ˈkʼæjxəˌʂɑw] - [xəˈt͡sʼeːm] - [ˈxæjʈ͡ʂʼəˌpiː] - [xəˈswɨfoː] - [ˈkʼæjnaːx]
< [ˈkʼajxəˌʂaw] - [xʏˈt͡sʼeːm] - [ˈxajʈ͡ʂʼəˌpiː] - [xaˈsuːfoː] - [ˈkʼajnaːx]

L [ˈkʼeɟəˌroː] - [xəˈtʼiːm] - [ˈxeːʈʼəˌviː] - [xəˈzugʷəˌvuː] - [ˈkʼeːᵈniɐ̯]
M [ˈkʼejiˌroʋ] - [ˈxtʼeːm] - [ˈxejʈʼʋiː] - [ˈgzuʋuˌʋoː] - [ˈkʼejneɐ̯]
< [ˈkʼejiˌroː] - [xəˈtʼeːm] - [ˈxejʈʼəviː] - [xəˈzuwəˌvoː] - [ˈkʼejneɐ̯]

GI[ˈkʼojxuˌxew] - [xəˈt͡sʼeːm] - [ˈxojt͡ʃʼiˌfiː] - [xəˈsuːfoː] - [ˈkʼojnɑh]
JK[ˈkʼajxəˌʂaw] - [xʏˈt͡sʼeːm] - [ˈxajʈ͡ʂʼəˌpiː] - [xaˈsuːfoː] - [ˈkʼajnaːx]
LM[ˈkʼejiˌroː] - [xʏˈtʼeːm] - [ˈxejʈʼəviː] - [xəˈzuwəˌvoː] - [ˈkʼejneɐ̯]
<<[ˈkʼejxəˌroː] - [xʏˈtsʼeːm] - [ˈxejʈʂʼəpiː] - [xəˈsuːˌfoː] - [ˈkʼejnax]

EF[ˈkʼiːnsu] - [xəˈt͡θʼɛːmo] - [ˈkiːt͡sʼəˌɓeː] - [ˈθo̰jpɔ] - [ˈt͡ʃʼiːnhɑʒ]
GM[ˈkʼejxəˌroː] - [xʏˈtsʼeːm] - [ˈxejʈʂʼəpiː] - [xəˈsːˌfoː] - [ˈkʼejnax]
<<[ˈkʼiːnəsu] - [xʏˈtsʼeːmo] - [ˈkiːt͡ʂʼəˌɓeː] - [xəˈsuːˌfoː] - [ˈkʼiːnax]


N [ˈqʼø̃ːsy] - [ˈt͡sʼẽː] - [ˈqẽːt͡sʼe] - [ˈskøːŋø] - [ˈqʼeːner]
O [ˈqʼexsiː] - [ˈt͡sʼem] - [ˈqet͡sʼmeː] - [ˈt͡søːŋeː] - [ˈqʼeːren]
P [ˈqeŋksyː] - [ˈt͡seːmo] - [ˈqet͡smeː] - [ˈxseɲɲeː] - [ˈqeːnan]
< [ˈqʼeŋsyː] - [ˈt͡sʼeːmo] - [ˈqet͡sʼmeː] - [ˈxseːŋeː] - [ˈqʼeːnar]

Q [ˈʕɪːŋəˌsyː] - [ˈzˤeːmə] - [ˈqɪːzˤəˌmeː] - [xəˈseːŋeː] - [ˈʕɪːnoːnə]
R [ˈħɪŋɤˌsy] - [ʔɯˈsˤemo] - [ˈqɪsˤɛˌme] - [xɐˈsejŋe] - [ˈħɪnnɯ]
< [ˈʕɪːŋɤˌsyː] - [ʔɯˈsˤemo] - [ˈqɪːsˤɛˌmeː] - [xɐˈseːŋeː] - [ˈʕɪːnoːnɯ]

S [ˈqʼɨ̃si] - [hɨˈt͡sʼem] - [ˈqɨt͡sʼɛˌme] - [qaˈsẽççe] - [ˈqʼɨlɛn]
T [ˈqʼɨ̃ːsiː] - [ˈt͡sʼeːmɤ] - [ˈqɨːt͡sʼɛˌmeː] - [ˈqsẽɲeː] - [ˈqʼɨːnɛːlɨ]
< [ˈqʼɨ̃ːsiː] - [hɨˈt͡sʼeːmɤ] - [ˈqɨːt͡sʼɛˌmeː] - [qɐˈsẽɲeː] - [ˈqʼɨːnɛːlɨ]

NP[ˈqʼeŋsyː] - [ˈt͡sʼeːmo] - [ˈqet͡sʼmeː] - [ˈxseːŋeː] - [ˈqʼeːnar]
QR[ˈʕɪːŋɤˌsyː] - [ʔɯˈsˤemo] - [ˈqɪːsˤɛˌmeː] - [xɐˈseːŋeː] - [ˈʕɪːnoːnɯ]
ST[ˈqʼɨ̃ːsiː] - [hɨˈt͡sʼeːmɤ] - [ˈqɨːt͡sʼɛˌmeː] - [qɐˈsẽɲeː] - [ˈqʼɨːnɛːlɨ]
<<[ˈqʼeːŋosyː] - [hɯˈt͡sʼeːmo] - [ˈqeːt͡sʼɛˌmeː] - [xɐˈseːɲeː] - [ˈqʼeːnɑːrɯ]


U [kʼɨ́ŋosú] - [kut͡sʼɛ́ma] - [d͡ʒít͡sʼɛɓé] - [d͡ʒɛsôʃpá] - [t͡ʃʼîːnɛ̌ːlɨ]
V [kɨ́ŋuhú] - [kʰut͡sɛ́ma] - [ít͡sɛwé] - [jasø̂ːpá] - [kîːnɔ̌ːlɨ]
< [kʼɨ́ŋosú] - [kut͡sʼɛ́ma] - [jít͡sʼɛɓé] - [ɟasôːʃpá] - [cʼîːnɑːlɨ]

W [kkɨ́nosú] - [kùθθɛ́ma] - [îtt͡sɛ̀ppé] - [awôːpá] - [kkínnɔ̌ːwɨ]
X [ə́kɨ́ŋòsú] - [kǔːtɛ́mɔ̀] - [íːt͡sɛ̌ːpé] - [àhôːpɔ́] - [ə́kíɲɲǎːwɨ̀]
< [ə́kɨ́ŋòsú] - [kǔtθɛ́mɔ̀] - [ítt͡sɛ̌ppé] - [àhôːpɔ́] - [ə́kínnɑːwɨ̀]

Y [kɨ́ŋòʃú] - [kùsɛ́mɔ̀] - [ŋíʃɛ̀vé] - [hàsôːpjɔ́] - [kíɲǎːzɨ̀]
Z [kɨ̃̂wʃú] - [kùt͡sɛ̃̂w] - [ɲít͡ʃɛ̀bé] - [àswîːpɔ́] - [cĩ́jǎːdɨ̀]
< [kɨ́ŋòʃú] - [kùtsɛ́mɔ̀] - [ŋít͡ʃɛ̀bé] - [hàsôːpjɔ́] - [kíɲǎːdɨ̀]

UV[kʼɨ́ŋosú] - [kut͡sʼɛ́ma] - [jít͡sʼɛɓé] - [ɟasôːʃpá] - [cʼîːnɑːlɨ]
WX[ə́kɨ́ŋòsú] - [kǔtθɛ́mɔ̀] - [ítt͡sɛ̌ppé] - [àhôːpɔ́] - [ə́kínnɑːwɨ̀]
YZ[kɨ́ŋòʃú] - [kùtsɛ́mɔ̀] - [ŋít͡ʃɛ̀bé] - [hàsôːpjɔ́] - [kíɲǎːdɨ̀]
<<[kʼɨ́ŋòʃú] - [kùtsʼɛ́mɔ̀] - [jít͡ʃʼɛ̀ɓé] - [hàsôːpjɔ́] - [kínǎːdɨ̀]



AD[ˈt͡ʃʼiːnsuː] - [goˈt͡θʼɛːmo] - [ˈt͡ʃiːt͡ʃʼaˌɓeː] - [haˈθoːpɔː] - [ˈt͡sʼiːnhade]
EM[ˈkʼiːnəsu] - [xʏˈtsʼeːmo] - [ˈkiːt͡ʂʼəˌɓeː] - [xəˈsuːˌfoː] - [ˈkʼiːnax]
<<[ˈkʼiːnəsuː] - [gʏˈtsʼeːmo] - [ˈkiːt͡ʃʼaˌɓeː] - [xəˈsuːˌpɔː] - [ˈkʼiːnaxde]

AM[ˈkʼiːnəsuː] - [gʏˈtsʼeːmo] - [ˈkiːt͡ʃʼaˌɓeː] - [xəˈsuːˌpɔː] - [ˈkʼiːnaxde]
NT[ˈqʼeːŋosyː] - [hɯˈt͡sʼeːmo] - [ˈqeːt͡sʼɛˌmeː] - [xɐˈseːɲeː] - [ˈqʼeːnɑːrɯ]
<<[ˈqʼeːŋosuː] - [guˈt͡sʼeːmo] - [ˈqeːt͡ʃʼɛˌɓeː] - [xɐˈseːpeː] - [ˈqʼeːnɑxde]

AT[ˈqʼeːŋosuː] - [guˈt͡sʼeːmo] - [ˈqeːt͡ʃʼɛˌɓeː] - [xɐˈseːpeː] - [ˈqʼeːnɑxde]
YZ[kʼɨ́ŋòʃú] - [kùtsʼɛ́mɔ̀] - [jít͡ʃʼɛ̀ɓé] - [hàsôːpjɔ́] - [kínǎːdɨ̀]
<<[ˈqʼeːŋoʃuː] - [guˈt͡sʼeːmo] - [ˈqeːt͡ʃʼɛˌɓeː] - [xaˈseːpjɔː] - [ˈqʼeːnɑxde]

Proto-Words:
[ˈqʼeːŋoʃuː] - [guˈt͡sʼeːmo] - [ˈqeːt͡ʃʼɛˌɓeː] - [xaˈseːpjɔː] - [ˈqʼeːnɑxde]
You can tell the same lie a thousand times,
But it never gets any more true,
So close your eyes once more and once more believe
That they all still believe in you.
Just one time.
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Re: Quick Diachronics Challenge

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Ratsawn wrote: 04 Feb 2021 20:54
ɶʙ ɞʛ wrote: 04 Feb 2021 17:50 What were the corresponding reflexes for other consonants? Did combinations like [ʔm], [ʔʟ], [ʔs] also produce stops? Also, you would expect [ʔv] to shift to [p], not [t].
You're right, I would expect that too, but this seemed like a case of a natlang already did it worse. The complete change is:

ʔv ʔm ʔɡ ʔr → t p k v (also the language was actually Gimi)
/ʔm ʔg/ > /p k/ make sense, but the /ʔv/ > /t/ is coupled with an opposite change /ʔr/ > /v/. This makes me feel like what really happened was:

ʔr > dz > ð
ʔð > tθ > t
ð > v
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Re: Quick Diachronics Challenge

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A [ˈt͡ɕʼiːnd͡zuː] - [guˈt͡θʼɛːŋa] - [ˌt͡ɕiːt͡sʼaˈɓeː] - [haˈðoːppɔː] - [ʈ͡ʂʼiːˈnʱaːð]
B [ˈt͡ʃʼindru] - [goˈt͡θʼɛma] - [ˈt͡ʃit͡ʃʼaˌɓe] - [haˈvoːpɔ] - [ˈt͡sʼiŋŋan]
AB [ˈt͡ʃ'indzu] - [goˈt͡θʼɛma] - [ˈt͡ʃit͡s'aɓe] - [haˈðoppɔ] - [ˈt͡s'inhaɗ]

C [ˈt͡sʼinɔs] - [goˈt͡θʼœːma] - [ˈt͡siːt͡sʼaʔ] - [haˈfoʔef] - [ˈt͡sʼinɛççe]
D [ˈt͡sʼinsu] - [goˈtʼɛwm] - [ˈt͡səjt͡sʼwe] - [haˈtoːpɔ]- [ˈt͡sʼin̥n̥aj]
E [ˈkʼiːnt͡su] - [ˈxtʼɛːmə] - [ˈkiːt͡sʼəˌɓeː] - [ˈsto̰jpɔ] - [ˈt͡ʃʼiːn̥n̥aʒ]
CDE [ˈk'i:nɔt͡su] - [goˈt͡θ'ɛwma] - [ˈki:t͡s'aɓe] - [saˈtoʔepɔ] - [ˈt͡ʃ'i:nhaje]

AB [ˈt͡ʃ'indzu] - [goˈt͡θʼɛma] - [ˈt͡ʃit͡s'aɓe] - [haˈðoppɔ] - [ˈt͡s'inhaɗ]
CDE [ˈk'i:nɔt͡su] - [goˈt͡θ'ɛwma] - [ˈki:t͡s'aɓe] - [saˈtoʔepɔ] - [ˈt͡ʃ'i:nhaje]
A-E: [ˈk'i:nɔt͡su] - [goˈt͡θ'ɛwma] - [ˈki:t͡s'aɓe] - [saˈtoʔepɔ] - [ˈt͡s'i:nhaɗ]

F [ˈkʼʊ̃jsy] - [t͡θʼəˈkɔjmʊ] - [ˈkʊjt͡sʼɪˌmoj] - [ˈθo̰jpœ] - [ˈt͡ʃʼʊ̃jhɔʒ]
G [ˈkʼojxxew] - [ˈxt͡sʼĩː] - [ˈxojt͡ʃʼwaj] - [ˈxsa̰wfuː] - [ˈkʼõjhuɐ̯]
FG: [ˈk'õjsxew] - [ˈkt͡s'ɛjm] - [ˈkojt͡ʃ'mɔj] - [ˈksɔ̰ɥpɛw] - [ˈkʲ'õjhɔʒ]

H [ˈkʼwewˌxjo] - [uˈt͡sʼem] - [ˈxwet͡ʃʼəˌvi] - [xəˈsṵfo] - [ˈkʼwennoɐ̯]
I [ˈkʼøːxuˌxøː] - [xəˈt͡sʼeːm] - [ˈxøːt͡ʃʼiˌfiː] - [xəˈsuːfoː]- [ˈkʼøːnɒː]
HI: [ˈk'wexuˌxjo] - [xuˈt͡s'e:m] - [ˈxwet͡ʃ'iˌfi] - [xaˈsuʔfo:] - [ˈk'wennoɐ̯]

FG: [ˈk'õjsxew] - [ˈkt͡s'ɛjm] - [ˈkojt͡ʃ'mɔj] - [ˈksɔ̰ɥpɛw] - [ˈkʲ'õjhɔʒ]
HI: [ˈk'wexuˌxjo] - [xuˈt͡s'e:m] - [ˈxwet͡ʃ'iˌfi] - [xaˈsuʔfo:] - [ˈk'wennoɐ̯]
F-I: [ˈk'ɤ̃:suxø:] - [kuˈt͡s'e:m] - [ˈkɤ:t͡ʃ'moj] - [kaˈsɤʔpew] - [ˈkʲ'ɤ:nnoɻ]

J [ˈkʼɑjxxæw] - [xʏˈt͡sʼeːm] - [ˈxɑjpʈ͡ʂʼiː] - [xaˈsuːfoː] - [ˈkʼɑjnɑː]
K [ˈkʼæjxəˌʂɑw] - [xəˈt͡sʼeːm] - [ˈxæjʈ͡ʂʼəˌpiː] - [xəˈswɨfoː] - [ˈkʼæjnaːx]
JK [ˈk'ajxʂaw] - [xɵˈt͡s'e:m] - [ˈxajʈ͡ʂ'pi:] - [xaˈswɨ:fo:] - [ˈk'ajna:x]

L [ˈkʼeɟəˌroː] - [xəˈtʼiːm] - [ˈxeːʈʼəˌviː] -[xəˈzugʷəˌvuː] - [ˈkʼeːᵈniɐ̯]
M [ˈkʼejiˌroʋ] - [ˈxtʼeːm] - [ˈxejʈʼʋiː] - [ˈgzuʋuˌʋoː] - [ˈkʼejneɐ̯]
LM [ˈk'ejəˌroʋ] - [xəˈt'e:m] - [ˈxe:ʈ'əˌʋi:] - [xəˈzugʷəˌʋo:] - [ˈk'e:d͡neɐ̯]

JK [ˈk'ajxʂaw] - [xɵˈt͡s'e:m] - [ˈxajʈ͡ʂ'pi:] - [xaˈswɨ:fo:] - [ˈk'ajna:x]
LM [ˈk'ejəˌroʋ] - [xəˈt'e:m] - [ˈxe:ʈ'əˌʋi:] - [xəˈzugʷəˌʋo:] - [ˈk'e:d͡neɐ̯]
J-M: [ˈk'ajhɽaw] - [xɵˈt'e:m] - [ˈxajʈ͡ʂ'hwi] - [xaˈsugɨʍo:] - [ˈk'ajd͡ne:ʁ]



N [ˈqʼø̃ːsy] - [ˈt͡sʼẽː] - [ˈqẽːt͡sʼe] - [ˈskøːŋø] - [ˈqʼeːner]
O [ˈqʼexsiː] - [ˈt͡sʼem] - [ˈqet͡sʼmeː] - [ˈt͡søːŋeː] - [ˈqʼeːren]
P [ˈqeŋksyː] - [ˈt͡seːmo] - [ˈqet͡smeː] - [ˈxseɲɲeː] - [ˈqeːnan]
NOP [ˈq'eŋsy] - [ˈt͡s'em] - [ˈqemt͡s'e] - [ˈksewŋø] - [ˈq'e:ren]

Q [ˈʕɪːŋəˌsyː] - [ˈzˤeːmə] - [ˈqɪːzˤəˌmeː] - [xəˈseːŋeː] - [ˈʕɪːnoːnə]
R [ˈħɪŋɤˌsy] - [ʔɯˈsˤemo] - [ˈqɪsˤɛˌme] - [xɐˈsejŋe] - [ˈħɪnnɯ]
QR [ˈʕɪŋəˌsy] - [ɨˈsˤemo] - [ˈqɪsˤɛˌme] - [xaˈsejŋej] - [ˈʕɪnonɨ]

S [ˈqʼɨ̃si] - [hɨˈt͡sʼem] - [ˈqɨt͡sʼɛˌme] - [qaˈsẽççe] - [ˈqʼɨlɛn]
T [ˈqʼɨ̃ːsiː] - [ˈt͡sʼeːmɤ] - [ˈqɨːt͡sʼɛˌmeː] - [ˈqsẽɲeː] - [ˈqʼɨːnɛːlɨ]
ST: [ˈq'ɨ̃:si] - [ɨˈt͡s'e:m] - [ˈqɨ:t͡s'ɛˌme] - [qaˈseɲhe] - [ˈq'ɨ:nɛ:l]

NOP [ˈq'eŋsy] - [ˈt͡s'em] - [ˈqemt͡s'e] - [ˈksewŋø] - [ˈq'e:ren]
QR [ˈʕɪŋəˌsy] - [ɨˈsˤemo] - [ˈqɪsˤɛˌme] - [xaˈsejŋej] - [ˈʕɪnonɨ]
ST: [ˈq'ɨ̃:si] - [ɨˈt͡s'e:m] - [ˈqɨ:t͡s'ɛˌme] - [qaˈseɲhe] - [ˈq'ɨ:nɛ:l]
N-T: [ˈq'iŋsy] - [ɨˈs'em] - [ˈqis'ɛme] - [kaˈseŋhe] - [ˈq'i:ren]


U [kʼɨ́ŋosú] - [kut͡sʼɛ́ma] - [d͡ʒít͡sʼɛɓé] - [d͡ʒɛsôʃpá] - [t͡ʃʼîːnɛ̌ːlɨ]
V [kɨ́ŋuhú] - [kʰut͡sɛ́ma] - [ít͡sɛwé] - [jasø̂ːpá] - [kîːnɔ̌ːlɨ]
UV [kkɨ́ŋosú] - [kutt͡sɛ́ma] - [jítt͡sɛbé] - [jasôjpá] - [kkîjnǎ:lɨ]

W [kkɨ́nosú] - [kùθθɛ́ma] - [îtt͡sɛ̀ppé] - [awôːpá] - [kkínnɔ̌ːwɨ]
X [ə́kɨ́ŋòsú] - [kǔːtɛ́mɔ̀] - [íːt͡sɛ̌ːpé] - [àhôːpɔ́] - [ə́kíɲɲǎːwɨ̀]
WX [hkɨ́ŋòsú] - [kùhtɛ́mɔ̀] - [íht͡sɛ̀hpé] - [àhô:pɔ́] - [hkíɲɲǎ:wɨ̀]

Y [kɨ́ŋòʃú] - [kùsɛ́mɔ̀] - [ŋíʃɛ̀vé] - [hàsôːpjɔ́] - [kíɲǎːzɨ̀]
Z [kɨ̃̂wʃú] - [kùt͡sɛ̃̂w] - [ɲít͡ʃɛ̀bé] - [àswîːpɔ́] - [cĩ́jǎːdɨ̀]
YZ [kɨ́ŋòʃú] - [kùt͡sɛ́mɔ̀] - [ŋít͡ʃɛ̀bé] - [àsô:jpɔ́] - [kíɲǎ:dɨ̀]

UV [kkɨ́ŋosú] - [kutt͡sɛ́ma] - [jítt͡sɛbé] - [jasôjpá] - [kkîjnǎ:lɨ]
WX [hkɨ́ŋòsú] - [kùhtɛ́mɔ̀] - [íht͡sɛ̀hpé] - [àhô:pɔ́] - [hkíɲɲǎ:wɨ̀]
YZ [kɨ́ŋòʃú] - [kùt͡sɛ́mɔ̀] - [ŋít͡ʃɛ̀bé] - [àsô:jpɔ́] - [kíɲǎ:dɨ̀]
U-Z: [k͈ɨ́ŋòs2ú] - [kùt͈͡s1ɛ́mɔ̀] - [ŋít͈͡s2ɛ̀b͈é] - [ɛ̀:s1ô:jpɔ́] - [k͈íjnǎ:dɨ̀]


A-E: [ˈk'i:nɔt͡su] - [goˈt͡θ'ɛwma] - [ˈki:t͡s'aɓe] - [saˈtoʔepɔ] - [ˈt͡s'i:nhaɗ]
F-I: [ˈk'ɤ̃:suxø:] - [kuˈt͡s'e:m] - [ˈkɤ:t͡ʃ'moj] - [kaˈsɤʔpew] - [ˈkʲ'ɤ:nnoɻ]
J-M: [ˈk'ajhɽaw] - [xɵˈt'e:m] - [ˈxajʈ͡ʂ'hwi] - [xaˈsugɨʍo:] - [ˈk'ajd͡ne:ʁ]
N-T: [ˈq'iŋsy] - [ɨˈs'em] - [ˈqis'ɛme] - [kaˈseŋhe] - [ˈq'i:ren]
U-Z: [k͈ɨ́ŋòs2ú] - [kùt͈͡s1ɛ́mɔ̀] - [ŋít͈͡s2ɛ̀b͈é] - [ɛ̀:s1ô:jpɔ́] - [k͈íjnǎ:dɨ̀]
All: [ˈk'ɨjnod͡zow] - [goˈs'ewm] - [ˈkɨjs'aɓoj] - [Xaˈtsəkpew] - [ˈk'i:nhad]
X is most likely a voiceless coronal or dorsal fricative.
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Re: Quick Diachronics Challenge

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Would anyone else like to make an attempt before I start preparing my responses to sangi39 and ɶʙ ɞʛ? You don't need to have your response ready right away, but if you'd like to participate, please let me know and I'll wait until you get a chance to respond.
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Re: Quick Diachronics Challenge

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I have to skip another round. Too many cognates, not enough time.
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Re: Quick Diachronics Challenge

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I'm gonna have to skip this round too. Sorry about that.
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Re: Quick Diachronics Challenge

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In response to sangi39's first attempt:
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sangi39 wrote: 26 Feb 2021 13:16 So, let's try some grouping first:

Word initial consonsants in Word 1 seem to fall consistently into four distinct groups to start: A-D (glottalic affricate), E-M (glottalic velar), N-T (glottalic uvular), and U-Z (velar)

If I had to guess at any higher grouping, A-D and E-M seem to be the most closely related, followed by A-M and N-T, with U-Z branching off earlier from the proto-language
Please see my comments below.
sangi39 wrote: 26 Feb 2021 13:16 A [ˈt͡ɕʼiːnd͡zuː] - [guˈt͡θʼɛːŋa] - [ˌt͡ɕiːt͡sʼaˈɓeː] - [haˈðoːppɔː]   - [ʈ͡ʂʼiːˈnʱaːð]
B [ˈt͡ʃʼindru]   - [goˈt͡θʼɛma]  - [ˈt͡ʃit͡ʃʼaˌɓe]   - [haˈvoːpɔ]     - [ˈt͡sʼiŋŋan]
< [ˈt͡ʃʼiːndzuː] - [goˈt͡θʼɛːma] - [ˈt͡ʃiːt͡ʃʼaˌɓeː] - [haˈðoːpɔː]    - [ˈt͡sʼiːnhad]
Word 1 - There's a consonant here that isn't present in my version of this word, but I'm counting it as essentially correct. Please see my notes on the affricates below.
Word 2 - One vowel is incorrect. One consonant is partially correct, but missing something.
Word 3 - Please see my notes on the affricates below.
Word 4 - There's a segment missing.
Word 5 - One vowel is off in terms of length. There's at least one consonant here that differs from what I originally had in mind, but I'll count it as essentially correct. Please see my notes on the affricates below.

Aside from [t͡θʼ] in Word 2, none of the affricates you've reconstructed exactly match the consonants I originally had in mind. I don't want to be obnoxiously picky and force you to guess them all correctly, though, so there are a lot of alternative reconstructions I'll be willing to accept here. With that said, there is still a problem with your current reconstruction of Word 3. 
sangi39 wrote: 26 Feb 2021 13:16 C [ˈt͡sʼinɔs]    - [goˈt͡θʼœːma] - [ˈt͡siːt͡sʼaʔ]    - [haˈfoʔef]     - [ˈt͡sʼinɛççe]
D [ˈt͡sʼinsu]    - [goˈtʼɛwm]   - [ˈt͡səjt͡sʼwe]    - [haˈtoːpɔ]     - [ˈt͡sʼin̥n̥aj]
< [ˈt͡sʼinsu]    - [goˈt͡θʼœːma] - [ˈt͡siːt͡sʼaɓe]   - [haˈθoːpɔw]    - [ˈt͡sʼinhaçe]
Word 1 - There's a syllable missing.
Word 2 - The nucleus of the stressed syllable is incorrect.
Word 3 - Essentially correct!
Word 4 - One vowel is off in terms of length, one consonant doesn't need to be there, and there's a syllable missing.
Word 5 - One incorrect segment and one missing syllable. 
sangi39 wrote: 26 Feb 2021 13:16 AB[ˈt͡ʃʼiːndzuː] - [goˈt͡θʼɛːma] - [ˈt͡ʃiːt͡ʃʼaˌɓeː] - [haˈðoːpɔː]    - [ˈt͡sʼiːnhad]
CD[ˈt͡sʼinsu]    - [goˈt͡θʼœːma] - [ˈt͡siːt͡sʼaɓe]   - [haˈθoːpɔw]    - [ˈt͡sʼinhaçe]
<<[ˈt͡ʃʼiːnsuː]  - [goˈt͡θʼɛːmo] - [ˈt͡ʃiːt͡ʃʼaˌɓeː] - [haˈθoːpɔː]    - [ˈt͡sʼiːnhade]
I'm afraid that ABCD is not a valid grouping. 
sangi39 wrote: 26 Feb 2021 13:16 E [ˈkʼiːnt͡su]   - [ˈxtʼɛːmə]   - [ˈkiːt͡sʼəˌɓeː]  - [ˈsto̰jpɔ]      - [ˈt͡ʃʼiːn̥n̥aʒ]
F [ˈkʼʊ̃jsy]     - [t͡θʼəˈkɔjmʊ] - [ˈkʊjt͡sʼɪˌmoj]  - [ˈθo̰jpœ]       - [ˈt͡ʃʼʊ̃jhɔʒ]
< [ˈkʼiːnsu]    - [xəˈt͡θʼɛːmo] - [ˈkiːt͡sʼəˌɓeː]  - [ˈθo̰jpɔ]       - [ˈt͡ʃʼiːnhɑʒ]
Word 1 - One vowel is off in terms of length.
Word 2 - One incorrect consonant, one incorrect vowel, and one extra syllable.
Word 3 - One incorrect vowel.
Word 4 - Two segments are off in terms of length alone.
Word 5 - One vowel is off in terms of length, but essentially correct in terms of quality.
sangi39 wrote: 26 Feb 2021 13:16 G [ˈkʼojxxew]   - [ˈxt͡sʼĩː]    - [ˈxojt͡ʃʼwaj]    - [ˈxsa̰wfuː]     - [ˈkʼõjhuɐ̯]
H [ˈkʼwewˌxjo]  - [uˈt͡sʼem]    - [ˈxwet͡ʃʼəˌvi]   - [xəˈsṵfo]      - [ˈkʼwennoɐ̯]
I [ˈkʼøːxuˌxøː] - [xəˈt͡sʼeːm]  - [ˈxøːt͡ʃʼiˌfiː]  - [xəˈsuːfoː]    - [ˈkʼøːnɒː]
< [ˈkʼojxuˌxew] - [xəˈt͡sʼeːm]  - [ˈxojt͡ʃʼiˌfiː]  - [xəˈsuːfoː]    - [ˈkʼojnɑh]
Word 1 - One consonant is slightly off.
Word 2 - Please see my comments on Word 1.
Word 3 - Please see my comments on Words 1 and 2.
Word 4 - One vowel is missing something.
Word 5 - One vowel is off in terms of quality and length. One consonant is correct, but "misplaced". There's a missing segment as well. 
sangi39 wrote: 26 Feb 2021 13:16 J [ˈkʼɑjxxæw]   - [xʏˈt͡sʼeːm]  - [ˈxɑjpʈ͡ʂʼiː]    - [xaˈsuːfoː]    - [ˈkʼɑjnɑː]
K [ˈkʼæjxəˌʂɑw] - [xəˈt͡sʼeːm]  - [ˈxæjʈ͡ʂʼəˌpiː]  - [xəˈswɨfoː]    - [ˈkʼæjnaːx]
< [ˈkʼajxəˌʂaw] - [xʏˈt͡sʼeːm]  - [ˈxajʈ͡ʂʼəˌpiː]  - [xaˈsuːfoː]    - [ˈkʼajnaːx]
Word 1 - One vowel is incorrect, although I'm realizing now that it's impossible to reconstruct based on JK alone, so I'm going to treat this as essentially correct.
Word 2 - Spot-on!
Word 3 - Please see my comments on Word 1. 
Word 4 - The nucleus of the stressed syllable is incorrect.
Word 5 - The final consonant is off, but may be close enough.
sangi39 wrote: 26 Feb 2021 13:16 L [ˈkʼeɟəˌroː]  - [xəˈtʼiːm]   - [ˈxeːʈʼəˌviː]   - [xəˈzugʷəˌvuː] - [ˈkʼeːᵈniɐ̯]
M [ˈkʼejiˌroʋ]  - [ˈxtʼeːm]    - [ˈxejʈʼʋiː]     - [ˈgzuʋuˌʋoː]   - [ˈkʼejneɐ̯]
< [ˈkʼejiˌroː]  - [xəˈtʼeːm]   - [ˈxejʈʼəviː]    - [xəˈzuwəˌvoː]  - [ˈkʼejneɐ̯]
Word 1 - The nucleus of the final syllable and the unstressed vowel are incorrect. One other segment is off in terms of length. 
Word 2 - Spot-on!
Word 3 - Apart from the omission of secondary stress marking, spot-on!
Word 4 - One segment is off in terms of length.
Word 5 - The nucleus of the final syllable is incorrect. One other segment is off in terms of length.
sangi39 wrote: 26 Feb 2021 13:16 GI[ˈkʼojxuˌxew] - [xəˈt͡sʼeːm]  - [ˈxojt͡ʃʼiˌfiː]  - [xəˈsuːfoː]    - [ˈkʼojnɑh]
JK[ˈkʼajxəˌʂaw] - [xʏˈt͡sʼeːm]  - [ˈxajʈ͡ʂʼəˌpiː]  - [xaˈsuːfoː]    - [ˈkʼajnaːx]
LM[ˈkʼejiˌroː]  - [xʏˈtʼeːm]   - [ˈxejʈʼəviː]    - [xəˈzuwəˌvoː]  - [ˈkʼejneɐ̯]
<<[ˈkʼejxəˌroː] - [xʏˈtsʼeːm]  - [ˈxejʈʂʼəpiː]   - [xəˈsuːˌfoː]   - [ˈkʼejnax]
Word 1 - [kʼ-] is correct, and I think I'll count [-ej-] as essentially correct, but everything after that is off.  
Word 2 - The stressed syllable is correct. The pretonic vowel may be close enough.
Word 3 - [ˈx-ʈ͡ʂʼ-iː] is correct, and I think I'll count [-ej-] as essentially correct, but [-əp-] is incorrect. 
Word 4 - The pretonic vowel is incorrect, and there's a missing syllable.
Word 5 - I think I'll count [-ej-] as essentially correct, but [-a-] is off in terms of length, the final consonant is incorrect, and there's a missing segment as well.
sangi39 wrote: 26 Feb 2021 13:16 EF[ˈkʼiːnsu]    - [xəˈt͡θʼɛːmo] - [ˈkiːt͡sʼəˌɓeː]  - [ˈθo̰jpɔ]       - [ˈt͡ʃʼiːnhɑʒ]
GM[ˈkʼejxəˌroː] - [xʏˈtsʼeːm]  - [ˈxejʈʂʼəpiː]   - [xəˈsːˌfoː]    - [ˈkʼejnax]
<<[ˈkʼiːnəsu]   - [xʏˈtsʼeːmo] - [ˈkiːt͡ʂʼəˌɓeː]  - [xəˈsuːˌfoː]   - [ˈkʼiːnax]
I'm afraid that E-M is not a valid grouping. 
sangi39 wrote: 26 Feb 2021 13:16 N [ˈqʼø̃ːsy]     - [ˈt͡sʼẽː]     - [ˈqẽːt͡sʼe]      - [ˈskøːŋø]      - [ˈqʼeːner]
O [ˈqʼexsiː]    - [ˈt͡sʼem]     - [ˈqet͡sʼmeː]     - [ˈt͡søːŋeː]     - [ˈqʼeːren]
P [ˈqeŋksyː]    - [ˈt͡seːmo]    - [ˈqet͡smeː]      - [ˈxseɲɲeː]     - [ˈqeːnan]
< [ˈqʼeŋsyː]    - [ˈt͡sʼeːmo]   - [ˈqet͡sʼmeː]     - [ˈxseːŋeː]     - [ˈqʼeːnar]
I'm afraid that NOP is not a valid grouping. 
sangi39 wrote: 26 Feb 2021 13:16 Q [ˈʕɪːŋəˌsyː]  - [ˈzˤeːmə]    - [ˈqɪːzˤəˌmeː]   - [xəˈseːŋeː]    - [ˈʕɪːnoːnə]
R [ˈħɪŋɤˌsy]    - [ʔɯˈsˤemo]   - [ˈqɪsˤɛˌme]     - [xɐˈsejŋe]     - [ˈħɪnnɯ]
< [ˈʕɪːŋɤˌsyː]  - [ʔɯˈsˤemo]   - [ˈqɪːsˤɛˌmeː]   - [xɐˈseːŋeː]    - [ˈʕɪːnoːnɯ]
I'm afraid that QR is not a valid grouping. 
sangi39 wrote: 26 Feb 2021 13:16 S [ˈqʼɨ̃si]      - [hɨˈt͡sʼem]   - [ˈqɨt͡sʼɛˌme]    - [qaˈsẽççe]     - [ˈqʼɨlɛn]
T [ˈqʼɨ̃ːsiː]    - [ˈt͡sʼeːmɤ]   - [ˈqɨːt͡sʼɛˌmeː]  - [ˈqsẽɲeː]      - [ˈqʼɨːnɛːlɨ]
< [ˈqʼɨ̃ːsiː]    - [hɨˈt͡sʼeːmɤ] - [ˈqɨːt͡sʼɛˌmeː]  - [qɐˈsẽɲeː]     - [ˈqʼɨːnɛːlɨ]
Word 1 - Spot-on!
Word 2 - Spot-on!
Word 3 - Spot-on!
Word 4 - The pretonic vowel is just slightly off. [-ɲ-] is incorrect.
Word 5 - One incorrect segment. 
sangi39 wrote: 26 Feb 2021 13:16 NP[ˈqʼeŋsyː]    - [ˈt͡sʼeːmo]   - [ˈqet͡sʼmeː]     - [ˈxseːŋeː]     - [ˈqʼeːnar]
QR[ˈʕɪːŋɤˌsyː]  - [ʔɯˈsˤemo]   - [ˈqɪːsˤɛˌmeː]   - [xɐˈseːŋeː]    - [ˈʕɪːnoːnɯ]
ST[ˈqʼɨ̃ːsiː]    - [hɨˈt͡sʼeːmɤ] - [ˈqɨːt͡sʼɛˌmeː]  - [qɐˈsẽɲeː]     - [ˈqʼɨːnɛːlɨ]
<<[ˈqʼeːŋosyː]  - [hɯˈt͡sʼeːmo] - [ˈqeːt͡sʼɛˌmeː]  - [xɐˈseːɲeː]    - [ˈqʼeːnɑːrɯ]
Word 1 - Two vowels are off in terms of quality. Secondary stress has not been marked. 
Word 2 - One vowel is off in terms of quality.
Word 3 - Please see my comments on Word 2.
Word 4 - Two vowels are off in terms of quality, [-ɲ-] is incorrect, and there are two missing segments.
Word 5 - Two vowels are off in terms of quality, and one consonant is incorrect as well. 
sangi39 wrote: 26 Feb 2021 13:16 U [kʼɨ́ŋosú]     - [kut͡sʼɛ́ma]   - [d͡ʒít͡sʼɛɓé]     - [d͡ʒɛsôʃpá]     - [t͡ʃʼîːnɛ̌ːlɨ]
V [kɨ́ŋuhú]      - [kʰut͡sɛ́ma]   - [ít͡sɛwé]        - [jasø̂ːpá]      - [kîːnɔ̌ːlɨ]
< [kʼɨ́ŋosú]     - [kut͡sʼɛ́ma]   - [jít͡sʼɛɓé]      - [ɟasôːʃpá]     - [cʼîːnɑːlɨ]
Word 1 - Spot-on!
Word 2 - Spot-on!
Word 3 - Spot-on!
Word 4 - Two incorrect consonants, and one vowel is off in terms of length.
Word 5 - One incorrect consonant. One vowel is off in terms of both quality and tone.
sangi39 wrote: 26 Feb 2021 13:16 W [kkɨ́nosú]     - [kùθθɛ́ma]    - [îtt͡sɛ̀ppé]      - [awôːpá]       - [kkínnɔ̌ːwɨ]
X [ə́kɨ́ŋòsú]     - [kǔːtɛ́mɔ̀]    - [íːt͡sɛ̌ːpé]      - [àhôːpɔ́]       - [ə́kíɲɲǎːwɨ̀]
< [ə́kɨ́ŋòsú]     - [kǔtθɛ́mɔ̀]    - [ítt͡sɛ̌ppé]      - [àhôːpɔ́]       - [ə́kínnɑːwɨ̀]
Word 1 - One extra syllable. Another vowel has the incorrect tone.
Word 2 - Two vowels have the incorrect tones. One incorrect consonant.
Word 3 - Two incorrect consonants. One vowel has the incorrect tone.
Word 4 - One vowel has the incorrect tone.
Word 5 - One extra syllable. Two other vowels have the incorrect tones, and one is slightly off in terms of quality as well. 
sangi39 wrote: 26 Feb 2021 13:16 Y [kɨ́ŋòʃú]      - [kùsɛ́mɔ̀]     - [ŋíʃɛ̀vé]        - [hàsôːpjɔ́]     - [kíɲǎːzɨ̀]
Z [kɨ̃̂wʃú]       - [kùt͡sɛ̃̂w]     - [ɲít͡ʃɛ̀bé]       - [àswîːpɔ́]      - [cĩ́jǎːdɨ̀]
< [kɨ́ŋòʃú]      - [kùtsɛ́mɔ̀]    - [ŋít͡ʃɛ̀bé]       - [hàsôːpjɔ́]     - [kíɲǎːdɨ̀]
Word 1 - Spot-on!
Word 2 - Assuming the second consonant is intended to be an affricate, spot-on!
Word 3 - Spot-on!
Word 4 - One vowel is off in terms of length, and one consonant is "misplaced".
Word 5 - Spot-on!
sangi39 wrote: 26 Feb 2021 13:16 UV[kʼɨ́ŋosú]     - [kut͡sʼɛ́ma]   - [jít͡sʼɛɓé]      - [ɟasôːʃpá]     - [cʼîːnɑːlɨ]
WX[ə́kɨ́ŋòsú]     - [kǔtθɛ́mɔ̀]    - [ítt͡sɛ̌ppé]      - [àhôːpɔ́]       - [ə́kínnɑːwɨ̀]
YZ[kɨ́ŋòʃú]      - [kùtsɛ́mɔ̀]    - [ŋít͡ʃɛ̀bé]       - [hàsôːpjɔ́]     - [kíɲǎːdɨ̀]
<<[kʼɨ́ŋòʃú]     - [kùtsʼɛ́mɔ̀]   - [jít͡ʃʼɛ̀ɓé]      - [hàsôːpjɔ́]     - [kínǎːdɨ̀]
Word 1 - One vowel has the incorrect tone. Please see my notes on the sibilants below. 
Word 2 - Two vowels have the incorrect tones. Please see my notes on the sibilants below.
Word 3 - One vowel has the incorrect tone. At least one consonant is incorrect. Please see my notes on the sibilants below.
Word 4 - One vowel has the incorrect tone. Another vowel is off in terms of length, and one consonant is "misplaced". Please see my notes on the sibilants below.
Word 5 - One vowel has the incorrect tone. Two consonants are incorrect, and another is missing. 

None of the sibilants you've reconstructed here exactly match the ones I originally had in mind. I don't want to be obnoxiously picky and force you to guess them all correctly, though, so I may accept what you have as essentially correct.
sangi39 wrote: 26 Feb 2021 13:16 AD[ˈt͡ʃʼiːnsuː]  - [goˈt͡θʼɛːmo] - [ˈt͡ʃiːt͡ʃʼaˌɓeː] - [haˈθoːpɔː]    - [ˈt͡sʼiːnhade]
EM[ˈkʼiːnəsu]   - [xʏˈtsʼeːmo] - [ˈkiːt͡ʂʼəˌɓeː]  - [xəˈsuːˌfoː]   - [ˈkʼiːnax]
<<[ˈkʼiːnəsuː]  - [gʏˈtsʼeːmo] - [ˈkiːt͡ʃʼaˌɓeː]  - [xəˈsuːˌpɔː]   - [ˈkʼiːnaxde]
I'm afraid that A-M is not a valid grouping.
sangi39 wrote: 26 Feb 2021 13:16 AM[ˈkʼiːnəsuː]  - [gʏˈtsʼeːmo] - [ˈkiːt͡ʃʼaˌɓeː]  - [xəˈsuːˌpɔː]   - [ˈkʼiːnaxde]
NT[ˈqʼeːŋosyː]  - [hɯˈt͡sʼeːmo] - [ˈqeːt͡sʼɛˌmeː]  - [xɐˈseːɲeː]    - [ˈqʼeːnɑːrɯ]
<<[ˈqʼeːŋosuː]  - [guˈt͡sʼeːmo] - [ˈqeːt͡ʃʼɛˌɓeː]  - [xɐˈseːpeː]    - [ˈqʼeːnɑxde]
I'm afraid that A-T is not a valid grouping.
sangi39 wrote: 26 Feb 2021 13:16 AT[ˈqʼeːŋosuː]  - [guˈt͡sʼeːmo] - [ˈqeːt͡ʃʼɛˌɓeː]  - [xɐˈseːpeː]    - [ˈqʼeːnɑxde]
YZ[kʼɨ́ŋòʃú]     - [kùtsʼɛ́mɔ̀]   - [jít͡ʃʼɛ̀ɓé]      - [hàsôːpjɔ́]     - [kínǎːdɨ̀]
<<[ˈqʼeːŋoʃuː]  - [guˈt͡sʼeːmo] - [ˈqeːt͡ʃʼɛˌɓeː]  - [xaˈseːpjɔː]   - [ˈqʼeːnɑxde]
sangi39 wrote: 26 Feb 2021 13:16 Proto-Words:
[ˈqʼeːŋoʃuː]  - [guˈt͡sʼeːmo] - [ˈqeːt͡ʃʼɛˌɓeː]  - [xaˈseːpjɔː]   - [ˈqʼeːnɑxde]
Word 1 - Three or four correct segments
Word 2 - Three or four correct segments
Word 3 - Four or five correct segments
Word 4 - Four or five correct segments
Word 5 - One correct segment

What I said in response to your reconstruction of U-Z above, regarding the sibilants, also applies here. That's why, for example, you've either reconstructed four or five of the segments in Word 3 correctly.
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Re: Quick Diachronics Challenge

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In response to ɶʙ ɞʛ's first attempt:
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ɶʙ ɞʛ wrote: 28 Feb 2021 01:24 AB [ˈt͡ʃ'indzu] - [goˈt͡θʼɛma] - [ˈt͡ʃit͡s'aɓe] - [haˈðoppɔ] - [ˈt͡s'inhaɗ]
Word 1 - There's a consonant here that isn't present in my version of this word, but I'm counting it as essentially correct. Both vowels are off in terms of length. Please see my notes on the affricates below.
Word 2 - One vowel is off in terms of quality, and another is off in terms of length. One consonant is partially correct, but missing something. 
Word 3 - Two vowels are off in terms of length, and secondary stress hasn't been marked. Please see my notes on the affricates below.
Word 4 - Two vowels are off in terms of length. One consonant is incorrect.
Word 5 - Both vowels are off in terms of length. There's at least one consonant here that differs from what I originally had in mind, but I'll count it as essentially correct. Another consonant is incorrect, but not extremely far off. Please see my notes on the affricates below.

Aside from [t͡θʼ] in Word 2, none of the affricates you've reconstructed exactly match the consonants I originally had in mind. I don't want to be obnoxiously picky and force you to guess them all correctly, though, so there are a lot of alternative reconstructions I'll be willing to accept here. With that said, there is still a problem with your current reconstruction of Word 3. 
ɶʙ ɞʛ wrote: 28 Feb 2021 01:24 CDE [ˈk'i:nɔt͡su] - [goˈt͡θ'ɛwma] - [ˈki:t͡s'aɓe] - [saˈtoʔepɔ] - [ˈt͡ʃ'i:nhaje]
I'm afraid that CDE is not a valid grouping.
ɶʙ ɞʛ wrote: 28 Feb 2021 01:24 A-E: [ˈk'i:nɔt͡su] - [goˈt͡θ'ɛwma] - [ˈki:t͡s'aɓe] - [saˈtoʔepɔ] - [ˈt͡s'i:nhaɗ]
I'm afraid that A-E is not a valid grouping.
ɶʙ ɞʛ wrote: 28 Feb 2021 01:24 FG: [ˈk'õjsxew] - [ˈkt͡s'ɛjm] - [ˈkojt͡ʃ'mɔj] - [ˈksɔ̰ɥpɛw] - [ˈkʲ'õjhɔʒ]
I'm afraid that FG is not a valid grouping.
ɶʙ ɞʛ wrote: 28 Feb 2021 01:24 HI: [ˈk'wexuˌxjo] - [xuˈt͡s'e:m] - [ˈxwet͡ʃ'iˌfi] - [xaˈsuʔfo:] - [ˈk'wennoɐ̯]
I'm afraid that HI is not a valid grouping.
ɶʙ ɞʛ wrote: 28 Feb 2021 01:24 F-I: [ˈk'ɤ̃:suxø:] - [kuˈt͡s'e:m] - [ˈkɤ:t͡ʃ'moj] - [kaˈsɤʔpew] - [ˈkʲ'ɤ:nnoɻ]
I'm afraid that F-I is not a valid grouping.
ɶʙ ɞʛ wrote: 28 Feb 2021 01:24 JK [ˈk'ajxʂaw] - [xɵˈt͡s'e:m] - [ˈxajʈ͡ʂ'pi:] - [xaˈswɨ:fo:] - [ˈk'ajna:x]
Word 1 - There's a missing syllable.
Word 2 - The pretonic vowel is incorrect, but may be close enough.
Word 3 - There's a missing syllable.
Word 4 - [-wɨː-] is incorrect.
Word 5 - The final consonant is incorrect, but may be close enough. 
ɶʙ ɞʛ wrote: 28 Feb 2021 01:24 LM [ˈk'ejəˌroʋ] - [xəˈt'e:m] - [ˈxe:ʈ'əˌʋi:] - [xəˈzugʷəˌʋo:] - [ˈk'e:d͡neɐ̯]
Word 1 - One consonant is incorrect and another is off in terms of length.
Word 2 - Spot-on!
Word 3 - The nucleus of the stressed syllable is partially incorrect. [-ʋ-] is probably close enough. 
Word 4 - [-gʷ-] is incorrect, but [-ʋ-] is probably close enough. 
Word 5 - Everything after [kʼ-] is incorrect, although the nuclei of both syllables are only partially off. 
ɶʙ ɞʛ wrote: 28 Feb 2021 01:24 J-M: [ˈk'ajhɽaw] - [xɵˈt'e:m] - [ˈxajʈ͡ʂ'hwi] - [xaˈsugɨʍo:] - [ˈk'ajd͡ne:ʁ]
I'm afraid that J-M is not a valid grouping.
ɶʙ ɞʛ wrote: 28 Feb 2021 01:24 NOP [ˈq'eŋsy] - [ˈt͡s'em] - [ˈqemt͡s'e] - [ˈksewŋø] - [ˈq'e:ren]
I'm afraid that NOP is not a valid grouping.
ɶʙ ɞʛ wrote: 28 Feb 2021 01:24 QR [ˈʕɪŋəˌsy] - [ɨˈsˤemo] - [ˈqɪsˤɛˌme] - [xaˈsejŋej] - [ˈʕɪnonɨ]
I'm afraid that QR is not a valid grouping.
ɶʙ ɞʛ wrote: 28 Feb 2021 01:24 ST: [ˈq'ɨ̃:si] - [ɨˈt͡s'e:m] - [ˈqɨ:t͡s'ɛˌme] - [qaˈseɲhe] - [ˈq'ɨ:nɛ:l]
Word 1 - One vowel is off in terms of length.
Word 2 - Two segments are missing, but all those present are correct.
Word 3 - One vowel is off in terms of length.
Word 4 - One vowel is off in terms of length. The stressed vowel is partially correct. [-ɲ-] is incorrect.
Word 5 - One segment is incorrect, and there's a missing syllable. 
ɶʙ ɞʛ wrote: 28 Feb 2021 01:24 N-T: [ˈq'iŋsy] - [ɨˈs'em] - [ˈqis'ɛme] - [kaˈseŋhe] - [ˈq'i:ren]
Word 1 - The two vowels you've reconstructed here are correct in terms of quality, but not in terms of length. The consonants are all correct, but there's a missing syllable. 
Word 2 - Only [-m-] is entirely correct. One vowel is off in terms of quality and another is off in terms of length. There are also two segments missing. 
Word 3 - [q-], [-ɛ-], and [-m-] are correct. The other two vowels are off in terms of length. Secondary stress has not been marked.
Word 4 - [s-], [-ŋ-], and [-h-] are correct. All vowels are off in terms of quality, and two are also off in terms of length. One consonant is incorrect. There's a missing syllable as well.
Word 5 - [ˈqʼiː-n-] is correct. [-e-] is off in terms of quality and length, [-r-] is incorrect, and there's a missing syllable. 
ɶʙ ɞʛ wrote: 28 Feb 2021 01:24 UV [kkɨ́ŋosú]  - [kutt͡sɛ́ma] - [jítt͡sɛbé] - [jasôjpá] - [kkîjnǎ:lɨ]
Word 1 - [kk-] is incorrect.
Word 2 - [-tt͡s-] is incorrect.
Word 3 - [-tt͡s-] is incorrect. [-b-] is also incorrect, but may be close enough.
Word 4 - Spot-on!
Word 5 - [kk-] and [-j-] are incorrect. One vowel is off in terms of length. 
ɶʙ ɞʛ wrote: 28 Feb 2021 01:24 WX [hkɨ́ŋòsú] - [kùhtɛ́mɔ̀] - [íht͡sɛ̀hpé] - [àhô:pɔ́] - [hkíɲɲǎ:wɨ̀]
Word 1 - One consonant is incorrect. One vowel has the incorrect tone.
Word 2 - Two consonants are incorrect. Two vowels have the incorrect tones.
Word 3 - Two consonants are incorrect. One vowel has the incorrect tone.
Word 4 - One vowel has the incorrect tone.
Word 5 - Three consonants are incorrect. One vowel has the incorrect tone.
ɶʙ ɞʛ wrote: 28 Feb 2021 01:24 YZ [kɨ́ŋòʃú] - [kùt͡sɛ́mɔ̀] - [ŋít͡ʃɛ̀bé] - [àsô:jpɔ́] - [kíɲǎ:dɨ̀]
Word 1 - Spot-on!
Word 2 - Spot-on!
Word 3 - Spot-on!
Word 4 - One vowel is off in terms of length, and there's a missing consonant.
Word 5 - Spot-on!
ɶʙ ɞʛ wrote: 28 Feb 2021 01:24 U-Z: [k͈ɨ́ŋòs2ú] - [kùt͈͡s1ɛ́mɔ̀] - [ŋít͈͡s2ɛ̀b͈é] - [ɛ̀:s1ô:jpɔ́] - [k͈íjnǎ:dɨ̀]
Word 1 - One vowel has the incorrect tone. Please see my notes below.
Word 2 - Two vowels have the incorrect tones. Please see my notes below.
Word 3 - At least one consonant is incorrect. One vowel has the incorrect tone. Please see my notes below.
Word 4 - One vowel is off in terms of length. Another is off in terms of quality, length, and tone. There's a missing consonant. Please see my notes below.
Word 5 - At least one consonant is incorrect. Another consonant is "misplaced". One vowel has the incorrect tone. Please see my notes below.

Every instance of [C͈] in your reconstruction is incorrect. I'm not sure what the numbers are intended to mean, so I've ignored them and the adjacent consonants for now.
ɶʙ ɞʛ wrote: 28 Feb 2021 01:24 All: [ˈk'ɨjnod͡zow] - [goˈs'ewm] - [ˈkɨjs'aɓoj] - [Xaˈtsəkpew] - [ˈk'i:nhad]
X is most likely a voiceless coronal or dorsal fricative.
Word 1 - Two correct segments 
Word 2 - Two correct segments
Word 3 - One correct segment
Word 4 - Two correct segments
Word 5 - Four correct segments

The initial consonant of Word 4 is indeed a voiceless coronal or dorsal fricative. To clarify, I haven't counted that as one of the two segments you've reconstructed correctly there. 
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