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Posted: **12 Oct 2018 00:15**

All4Ɇn wrote: ↑11 Oct 2018 23:57 Just realized something amazing that has led the perfect phono-semantic matching. Ởnh·Vú has the word 陪 (bõy), a French borrowing meaning servant, and the word 㺏 (cão), which is the native word for buffalo. Because of this I think it's obvious that the Ởnh·Vú word for cowboy has to be 㺏陪 (cão·bõy) or "buffalo servant" .

Posted: **12 Oct 2018 00:36**

All4Ɇn wrote: ↑11 Oct 2018 23:57 Just realized something amazing that has led the perfect phono-semantic matching. Ởnh·Vú has the word 陪 (bõy), a French borrowing meaning servant, and the word 㺏 (cão), which is the native word for buffalo. Because of this I think it's obvious that the Ởnh·Vú word for cowboy has to be 㺏陪 (cão·bõy) or "buffalo servant" .

Now I'm curious.

"servant who is a buffalo"? "servant to buffalo"? "servant having to do with buffalo"? "Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo"?

And also, what French word is 陪 (bõy) borrowed from?

Posted: **12 Oct 2018 01:23**

Dormouse559 wrote: ↑12 Oct 2018 00:36 Now I'm curious.
"servant who is a buffalo"? "servant to buffalo"? "servant having to do with buffalo"? "Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo"?

Well I definitely had the "servant to buffalo" meaning in mind but the direct meaning is definitely vague enough that those other two interpretations very well could be possible

Dormouse559 wrote: ↑12 Oct 2018 00:36And also, what French word is 陪 (bõy) borrowed from?

From "boy" which itself is a direct borrowing from English

Posted: **31 Oct 2018 18:16**

Halloween Monsters
I don't plan on posting that often in this thread now but given that it's Halloween I thought this would be a fun vocab topic to cover!

魔穌 (Á·to)- Ghost
惡毒係 (Ac·đuoc·chã)- Evil clown
惡魔 (Ac·mư)- Evil spirit
殭屍 (Cưnh·xi)- Jiangshi
昴魔 (Đã·mư)- Vampire
田仉 (Đen·ta)- Scarecrow
骸骨 (Éy·quot)- Skeleton
Frankenstein妖魔 (Ờ·mư)- Frankenstein’s monster
食屍鬼 (Giưc·xi·não)- Ghoul
狂人𤄌𠊛 (Gừnh·nin·pãy·ởnh)- Serial Killer
怪獸 (Gũy·đrí)- Giant monster/kaiju
木乃伊 (Mo·mí·y)- Mummy
魔王 (Mư·hưnh)- The Devil
魔士 (Mư·sí)- Wizard/warlock/mage/sorcerer
魔女 (Mư·vú)- Witch/sorceress
鬼 (Não)- Demon/devil/ogre
人魚 (Nin·vu)- Fishman
妖怪 (Ờ·gũy)- Goblin
妖魔 (Ờ·mư)- Monster
儿獪 (Ra·rảy)- Werewolf
屍魔 (Xi·mư)- Zombie

Posted: **02 Jan 2019 08:39**

All4Ɇn wrote: ↑27 Sep 2018 05:38 Verbs Meaning "Wear"
Ởnh·Vú has 5 different verbs that can be translated as "wear". What verb is used depends on what kind of item is worn

芒 (Bà)
In addition to being the main Ởnh·Vú word for "to carry", it's also the main verb for "to wear" and is used for anything that wouldn't fall into the categories below. In general, it refers to items worn below the waist or over the full body
Items that are used with this verb: pants, underwear, shorts, shoes, socks, dresses, skirts, suits, uniforms, swimwear

粧面 (Chanh·Mèn)
This word is the Ởnh·Vú noun for "makeup" but is also used as a verb to mean "to wear makeup".
Items that are used with this verb: makeup, lipstick, rouge, eyeliner

紩 (Chap)
This verb's main meaning is "to tie/fasten" and is used for a few items that relate back to this meaning.
Items that are used with this verb: belts, neckties, scarves, necklaces, watches

㧅 (Đư)
This verb has the main meaning of "to carry on the head" and as a result means "to wear" when talking about items that can be worn on the head.
Items that are used with this verb: hats, hoods, glasses, contacts, turbins, hijabs, earrings

𦠰 (Gãom)
This verb's main meaning is "to carry on the shoulders" and by extension can be used for a variety of items that are supported on the shoulders.
Items that are used with this verb: shirts, t-shirts, aprons, bags, purses, shoulder pads, bras, bikini tops, waistcoats, jackets, overcoats

Cool! Five different words!

Kankonian has lots of words for "to wear":

envwetz: covers tops, pants, skirts, dresses, robes, coats, overcoats, overalls, coveralls
enbad: covers hats, turbans
engum: covers shoes, socks
enlikak: covers necklaces, ties, ascots
engi*eb: covers bracelets
enkehoi: covers ankle bracelets
enkhatal: covers piercings
enbwolwu: covers sunglasses
enkhod: covers hearing aids, headphones
enkarmas: surrounding the entire body, as an aura
enfrizhan: to wear (a color)

mehim: covers glasses, braces (the verb for "to use")

enkabla: to wear a baby in a baby carrier

enomen: to wear (a facial expression)
enelv(ikhima): to wear (an avatar)

Posted: **28 Jun 2019 18:07**

I'm think about starting this back up and potentially posting more in this thread and wanted to know if anyone would be interested

Posted: **28 Jun 2019 21:01**

I would

Posted: **29 Jun 2019 04:39**

All4Ɇn wrote: ↑28 Jun 2019 18:07 I'm think about starting this back up and potentially posting more in this thread and wanted to know if anyone would be interested

Interested, yes.
Any likelier to think of a good comment, maybe not.

Posted: **08 Jul 2019 03:23**

Thanks for replies Creyeditor and eldin.

I'll start off with a vocal post that I planned on posting long ago but never ended up posting. In the parentheses are the literal translations of the instrument names
樂器 (Vơc·Ghĩ)- Musical Instruments

弦樂器 (Hen·Vơc·Ghĩ)- String
琴 (Ghìm)- Zither/Qin
日本琴 (Nit·pứn·ghìm)- Koto (Japanese zither)
𢏑琴 (Pả·ghìm)- Violin (bow-zither)
中𢏑琴 (Trunh·pả·ghìm)- Viola (medium bow-zither)
大𢏑琴 (Đày·pả·ghìm)- Cello (large bow-zither)
低音𢏑琴 (Tey·ìm·pả·ghìm)- Double bass (bass bow-zither)
琴他 (Ghì·tá)- Guitar (from French guitare)
電琴他 (Đèn·ghì·tá)- Electric guitar
低音琴他 (Tey·ìm·ghì·tá)- Bass guitar
阮咸 (Nứn·èm)- Ruan
涸 (Hãp)- Harp (from French harpe)

銅管樂器 (Đunh·Cứn·Vơc·Ghĩ)- Brass
螺 (Lư)- Horn (spiral)
𨭡螺 (Cõnh·lư)- Trumpet (brass spiral)
長螺 (Đránh·lư)- Trombone (long spiral)
大螺 (Đày·lư)- Tuba (large spiral)
觚螺 (Cor·lư)- French Horn (from French cor + spiral)
Saxo螺 (Lư)- Saxophone (Saxo-spiral)
Sousa螺 (Lư)- Sousaphone (Sousa-spiral)
軍螺 (Cun·lư)- Bugle (military spiral)
法螺 (Pưp·lư)- Conch

木管楽器 (Vuc·Cứn·Vơc·Ghĩ)- Woodwind
䓡筲 (Tả·lưt)- Flute (bamboo flute)
長筲 (Đránh·lưt)- Western concert flute (long flute)
𣦍筲 (Pat·lưt)- Recorder (straight flute)
小筲 (Sớ·lưt)- Piccolo (small flute)
英筲 (Ừnh·lưt)- English Horn (English flute)
烏筲 (O·lưt)- Clarinet (black flute)
𤿦筲 (Cuich·lưt)- Bagpipe (hide flute)
*𥱲 (Vãy)- Traditional double-reed Ởnh instrument similar to the Vietnamese kèn
烏陪𥱲 (O·bõy·vãy)- Oboe (from French hautbois + vãy)
大𥱲 (Đày·vãy)- Bassoon (large vãy)
低音𥱲 (Tey·ìm·vãy)- Double Bassoon (bass vãy)
口琴 (Cữ·ghìm)- Harmonica (mouth zither)
*The word for kèn in Ởnh·Vú is 𥱲 (kèn) which is written with the same character as vãy but has a different meaning

𢮀板樂器 (Trủ·Bán·Vơc·Ghĩ)- Keyboard
*𣎷阿乳 (Pì·a·nó)- Piano (from French piano)
合成器 (Hup·genh·ghĩ)- Synthesizer (synthesizing instrument)
𠴎 (Õc)- Organ (from French orgues)
風琴 (Punh·ghìm)- Accordion (wind-zither)
口風琴 (Cữ·punh·ghìm)- Melodica (mouth wind-zither)
*An older word for piano is 洋琴 (yưnh·ghìm) which is literally a western zither.

阿𢱏樂器 (A·Tõnh·Vơc·Ghĩ)- Percussion
𠬠𤿰 (Sa·khơr)- Drum
淜鼓 (Banh·qúo)- Bongo (from English bongo + drum)
定音鼓 (Đènh·ìm·qúo)- Timpani/kettledrum
太鼓 (Tãy·qúo)- Taiko drum
木琴 (Vuc·ghìm)- Xylophone (wood zither)
黃鋖 (Ả·khao)- Cymbal (gold cymbal)
𨫋 (Cár)- Gong

Verbs for "Play"
There are 3 different verbs meaning "play" based on the type of instrument played
𠺙 (Vũ)- Used for wind instruments (blow)
𢭵 (Pet)- Used for string/keyboard instruments (pick/pluck)
阿𢱏 (A·tõnh)- Used for percussion (beat/strike/hit)

~手 (Xú)- Player
In order to form the noun for someone who plays a given instrument, simply suffix ~手 (xú) to the instrument. One instrument is irregular and has two different terms:
𠬠𤿰手 (Sa·khơr·xú)- Modern/western style drummer
鼓手 (Qúo·xú)- Traditional/eastern style drummer

Posted: **09 Jul 2019 13:24**

All4Ɇn wrote: ↑08 Jul 2019 03:23軍螺 (Cun·lư)- Bugle (military spiral)

"Military spiral" is a pretty cool term, and in general your naming scheme for instruments is really cool and interesting.

Posted: **14 Jul 2019 16:05**

Vlürch wrote: ↑09 Jul 2019 13:24"Military spiral" is a pretty cool term, and in general your naming scheme for instruments is really cool and interesting.

Thanks! One of my favorite parts about Ởnh·Vú compared to other languages I've made is all the cool compounds I can make in it

Posted: **14 Jul 2019 16:18**

Fourth Grade Chữ Nôm
Here is the complete list of 358 characters that would be learned in 4th grade in Ởnh·Vú speaking schools:
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Posted: **01 Aug 2019 08:57**

All4Ɇn wrote: ↑28 Jun 2019 18:07 I'm think about starting this back up and potentially posting more in this thread and wanted to know if anyone would be interested

Ởnh·Vú is one of my favorite CBB-langs!

How would you say "recorder"? "Cymbal"?

Posted: **02 Aug 2019 05:39**

Khemehekis wrote: ↑01 Aug 2019 08:57Ởnh·Vú is one of my favorite CBB-langs!

How would you say "recorder"? "Cymbal"?

I'm so glad to hear that!

Just added those two terms

Posted: **03 Aug 2019 22:22**

All4Ɇn wrote: ↑02 Aug 2019 05:39
Khemehekis wrote: ↑01 Aug 2019 08:57Ởnh·Vú is one of my favorite CBB-langs!

How would you say "recorder"? "Cymbal"?
I'm so glad to hear that! Just added those two terms

"Straight flute" -- cool!

Musical instruments in Part IV of the LCV:

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In Part V:

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Posted: **24 Apr 2020 09:10**

Ởnh·Vú vs. Indonesian & Tagalog
I just recently got through watching Langfocus' new video comparing Indonesian and Tagalog and I was really surprised how many cognates with Ởnh·Vú I could still easily recognize. I've included all of the ones mentioned in the video below. Some of them really highlight just how extensive the sound changes really are!
I

aku

ako

倅 (cư)

We (exclusive)

kami

𠵴 (cứy)

We (inclusive)

kita

𠵴些 (cứy·ta)

Child

anak

𡥵 (ãc)

Rock/Stone

batu

bato

𥒥穌 (ba·to)

Wind

angin

hangin

𩙌 (ainh)

Sky

langit

langit/kelangit

𡗶 (lait)
Although 𡗶 is the cognate term for sky, it's mostly used in poetic or archaic texts with the exception of some compounds and expressions including 𡗶罖牢? (lait nãnh hàt?) "how's the weather?". The main term for sky in modern Ởnh·Vú is the Sinic word 天 (tén).

Fire

api

apoy

焒 (ử)

Pig

babi

baboy

𤞼 (bũy)

Crocodile

buaya

buwaya

䱸 (bứy)

Moon/Month

bulan

buwan

𦝄 (vãn); 𣎃 (van)
𦝄 means moon while 𣎃 means month. These terms were originally the same word but have become distinguished by tone.

Year

tahun

taon

𢆥 (tún)
𢆥 is the cognate term for year but only appears in certain compounds such as 𢆥𣞄 (tún·gũ) "the end of the year". The main term for year in modern Ởnh·Vú is the Sinic word 年 (nen).

Four, Five, Six

empat, lima, enam

apat, lima, anim

𦊚 (pãt), 𠄼 (léy), 𦒹 (nam)

Thousand

ribu

libo

𠦳扜 (ri·ꞗo)
𠦳扜 is used exclusively for the number one thousand. For numbers starting with one thousand one, the Sinic term 千 (tén) is used.

Eye

mata

眜 (mã)

Hope

asa

妸𨖨 (ã·sã)
妸𨖨 is only used as a noun. For the verbal sense of hope (and some occasional use as a noun) the Sinic term 希望 (hi·mưnh) is used.

Drink

minum

inom

㳹 (mín)

Open

buka

𢲫 (poc)
𢲫 is only used to mean "to be open". For the active verbal sense, the Sinic term 開 (cứy) is used.

Posted: **01 May 2020 08:00**

身體部分 (Xin·Téy·Bứ·Pun)- Parts of the Body
Before listing some of the parts of the body I thought I'd explain the differences between the Ởnh·Vú words for "body" itself
-阿身 (A·xí) is the most generic word for body and is the only one not borrowed from Chinese
-身體 (Xin·téy) is the word used for "the body" as a concept and is commonly seen in anatomy
-人體 (Nin·téy) is very similar to 身體 but means specifically "the human body"
-肉體 (Nuc·téy) is typically translated as either "the physical body" or "the flesh" and has a very physical (sometimes erotic) feeling to it

捉 (Áo)- Head
𩅘 (Vo)- Hair (on the head)
阿𩈪 (A·dí)- Forehead
𩈘 (Bò)- Face
眜 (Mã)- Eye
眜毛 (Mã·mao)- Eyelash (literally eye hair)
眜𨕭邊 (Mã·ả·men)- Eyebrow (literally eye's above)
𪖫 (Yùnh)- Nose
𠰘 (Bả)- Mouth
𠿃 (Chữy)- Lip
𦢠𡮪 (Ghi·khì)- Tooth
媽 (Mưnh)- Cheek
腮 (Linh)- Ear
肣 (Cãnh)- Chin
肣ヌ (Cãnh·cãnh)- Jaw
鬍 (Bủ)- Facial hair (beard, mustache etc.)
髟 (Tứy)- Neck (in non-formal speech also means throat too)
咽喉 (En·hư)- Throat (a Sinic borrowing mostly used in more formal speech)

胴 (Đùnh)- Torso
𤿦 (Cuich)- Skin
𦙏 (Đã)- Chest/breast
𦙏ヌ (Đã·đã)- Female breast (specifies this meaning over chest)
𦠘 (Bã)- Shoulder
𦙜 (Pãc)- Armpit/Underarm
體毛 (Téy·mao)- Hair (on the body)
𦜞𧿫 (Pủ·sảt) Bellybutton/navel
𠦻 (Cáinh)- Back
胷 (Vỉo)- Hip
胷𠦻 (Vỉo·cáinh)- Waist (literally hip back)
朦 (Sửnh)- Buttock

肢體 (Che·téy)- Limbs
𢬣 (Tãnh)- Hand or arm
手𢬣 (Xú·tãnh)- Hand (specifies this meaning over arm)
手髟 (Xú·tứy)- Wrist (literally hand neck)
𦢶 (Pá)- Thigh
𧷺腓兕 (Bõ·ꞗơ·tỉ)- Calf
跪 (Tũt)- Knee
足髟 (Troc·tứy)- Ankle (literally foot neck)
亙 (Cãy)- Foot or leg
足亙 (Troc·cãy)- Foot (specifies this meaning over leg)
蹎 (Pãt)- Palm or Sole
手蹎 (Xú·pãt)- Palm (specifies this meaning over sole)
足蹎 (Troc·pãt)- Sole (specifies this meaning over palm)
哥𢭫 (Ca·dưnh)- Finger or toe
足哥𢭫 (Troc·ca·dưnh)- Toe (specifies this meaning over finger)

內臟 (Nừy·Đành)- Internal Organs
𩠭 (Go)- Brain
𦡮𥐈 (Cuich·só)- Lung
心臟 (Sim·đành)- Heart (not used metaphorically where 𢚸 (Buit) is used instead)
食道 (Giưc·đáo)- Esophagus
胣 (Tứin)- Stomach/belly
𦛌 (Sửc)- Intestine/gut
肝 (Hãy)- Liver
攊 (La)- Spleen
膵臟 (Đùy·đành)- Pancreas
𦟽包 (Tum·ꞗì)- Gallbladder
腎 (Gín)- Kidney
膀胱 (Bánh·canh)- Bladder
昴渃 (Đã·yar)- Blood (literally blood water)
𣔟 (Sãr)- Muscle
𩩫 (Tranh)- Bone
頭骨 (Đư·quot)- Skull/cranium
𦘹 (Rũc)- Rib
脊骨 (Tec·quot)- Spine
𩩫𩠭 (Tranh·go)- Marrow (literally bone brain)
𩩫部 (Tranh·bứ)- Skeleton (literally bone set)

Posted: **02 May 2020 00:20**

What does buit mean? (Kankonian often uses ohos (soul) where IE languages would use "heart".)

The section Human Body from the LCV, Part IV:

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Part V:

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Posted: **02 May 2020 05:26**

Khemehekis wrote: ↑02 May 2020 00:20What does buit mean? (Kankonian often uses ohos (soul) where IE languages would use "heart".)

It has the general meaning of both heart and soul but can also mean feeling or mind. Some common compounds and expressions with it are below:
固𢚸𠌨 (A buit pá)- To wonder about (to have heart towards)
𢚸曰 (Buit·chí)- To think up/make up/think of (to heart-write)
𢚸形 (Buit·henh)- Heart shape
於𢚸𧶮中 (Đi buit mờ trunh)- In my opinion/in my mind/to me (in the middle of (my) heart)
𠾷𢚸 (Páor buit)- To volunteer (to offer (one's) heart)
𠾷朱𢚸 (Páor ꞗuit)- To try and improve oneself (to offer to (one's) heart)

Khemehekis wrote: ↑02 May 2020 00:20 The section Human Body from the LCV, Part IV, Part V:

I was hoping you'd post these! I'll try and go through it and see if there's any important one's I've missed that I can add to the post [:D]

Posted: **02 May 2020 17:43**

All4Ɇn wrote: ↑02 May 2020 05:26 I was hoping you'd post these!

Happy to've helped you. [:D]

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