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Re: False friends and other unfortunate coincidences
Posted: 29 Apr 2020 22:40
by Salmoneus
Where does 'ni' come from!?
Re: False friends and other unfortunate coincidences
Posted: 29 Apr 2020 22:47
by Aevas
Salmoneus wrote: ↑29 Apr 2020 22:40
Where does 'ni' come from!?
It comes from
-en I, where the consonant of the verb ending has been reanalyzed onto the pronoun.
I comes from older
īʀ. The verbal ending is from Old Swedish
-in and of unclear origin (West Norse has expected
-ið), but possible related to the 3p subjunctive.
On a related note, Esperanto has
ni, vi for the exact opposite pronouns...
Re: False friends and other unfortunate coincidences
Posted: 06 May 2020 11:36
by Shemtov
<Jesu> "be.3P.PLR"
<Jesu> "genitive and dative of Jesus"
Re: False friends and other unfortunate coincidences
Posted: 12 May 2020 19:18
by Aevas
Portuguese(/Iberian and Neapolitan) o 'DEF.ART.MASC' and Romanian o 'INDF.ART.FEM' have been causing me some annoyance recently... I see a sequence like Rom. o casă 'a house' and I immediately want to parse it as definite. By extension I guess Portuguese a 'DEF.ART.FEM' also adds to this, because it reinforces the connection between definiteness and a single vowel placed before the word.
Re: False friends and other unfortunate coincidences
Posted: 05 Jun 2020 12:53
by Xonen
Aszev wrote: ↑12 May 2020 19:18
Portuguese(/Iberian and Neapolitan)
o '
DEF.ART.MASC' and Romanian
o '
INDF.ART.FEM' have been causing me some annoyance recently... I see a sequence like Rom.
o casă 'a house' and I immediately want to parse it as definite. By extension I guess Portuguese
a '
DEF.ART.FEM' also adds to this, because it reinforces the connection between definiteness and a single vowel placed before the word.
I recall initially being a bit thrown off by
a being a definite article in Hungarian, when it's an indefinite one in English... But the fact that Hungarian and English are so utterly dissimilar otherwise does help; it's got to be worse between two Romance languages.
There's also Livonian
seis 'seven', but I suppose it's not really a false cognate as much as it's one of these.
Re: False friends and other unfortunate coincidences
Posted: 25 Jun 2020 01:45
by Shemtov
<ata> 3P.PLR.MASC
/ata/ 2P.SING.MASC
Re: False friends and other unfortunate coincidences
Posted: 25 Jun 2020 02:00
by All4Ɇn
Shemtov wrote: ↑25 Jun 2020 01:45
<ata> 3P.PLR.MASC
/ata/ 2P.SING.MASC
Given that we're dealing with Albanian, you could tell me they were actually cognates and I would probably buy it
Re: False friends and other unfortunate coincidences
Posted: 28 Jul 2020 01:55
by Shemtov
If initialisms count.....
IPA "International Phonetic Alphabet" "Indian Pale Ale"
"IPA" Ilmu Pengetahuan Alam "Natural Science Studies"
Re: False friends and other unfortunate coincidences
Posted: 28 Jul 2020 13:27
by Xonen
Shemtov wrote: ↑28 Jul 2020 01:55
If initialisms count.....
I'd say that's moving quite far from the original purpose of this thread, so at the very least, I'd recommend starting a new thread for them. Personally, I'm also inclined to think that
of course any two- or three-letter abbreviation is going to have multiple uses, even within one language, so these tend not to be particularly interesting... But I guess that might be a matter of taste.
That being said, some of these can of course be at least somewhat amusing; IPA specifically seems to be a fairly fequent source of
humor among linguists.
Re: False friends and other unfortunate coincidences
Posted: 06 Aug 2020 22:08
by Shemtov
Xonen wrote: ↑28 Jul 2020 13:27
Shemtov wrote: ↑28 Jul 2020 01:55
If initialisms count.....
I'd say that's moving quite far from the original purpose of this thread, so at the very least, I'd recommend starting a new thread for them. Personally, I'm also inclined to think that
of course any two- or three-letter abbreviation is going to have multiple uses, even within one language, so these tend not to be particularly interesting... But I guess that might be a matter of taste.
That being said, some of these can of course be at least somewhat amusing; IPA specifically seems to be a fairly fequent source of
humor among linguists.
See, I was looking at some Indonesian, at it was talking about how someone is studying IPA (Ilmu Pengetahuan Alam), and my linguistic-oriented brain went to "Oh, they're studying phonology."
Re: False friends and other unfortunate coincidences
Posted: 12 Aug 2020 22:40
by GrandPiano
Not sure if this has been posted here before, but:
si "if"
se (third-person reflexive pronoun)
se "if"
si (third-person reflexive pronoun)
Re: False friends and other unfortunate coincidences
Posted: 25 Aug 2020 06:56
by Shemtov
Re: False friends and other unfortunate coincidences
Posted: 29 Aug 2020 11:32
by k1234567890y
Egerius v.s. Hungarian egér "mouse"
and Egerius seems to like rodents a lot.
Re: False friends and other unfortunate coincidences
Posted: 30 Aug 2020 03:30
by Khemehekis
k1234567890y wrote: ↑29 Aug 2020 11:32
Egerius v.s. Hungarian
egér "mouse"
and Egerius seems to like rodents a lot.
Interesting! Maybe Egerius was aware of that, and derived his screenname from
egér?
Re: False friends and other unfortunate coincidences
Posted: 05 Sep 2020 19:12
by Dormouse559
salve n - balm
salve nf - salvo
Re: False friends and other unfortunate coincidences
Posted: 11 Sep 2020 01:25
by Vlürch
Here's one that could potentially lead to a bruh moment:
incel
incel! - lose weight!
Not that it'd ever be polite to just command people to lose weight, and of course it's something even already anorexic women hear much more than even the fattest incel, and it's worse than calling someone an incel... still, I think these two words being written identically qualifies as an unfortunate coincidence.
Re: False friends and other unfortunate coincidences
Posted: 10 Oct 2020 14:04
by WeepingElf
False friends exist even between different places speaking the same language, as the following German example shows:
Berlin Kiez 'neighbourhood' vs. Hamburg Kiez 'demimonde, organized crime'
Re: False friends and other unfortunate coincidences
Posted: 10 Oct 2020 16:39
by Creyeditor
Well, coming from near Hamburg, Kiez specifically refers to the area around Reeperbahn, a neighbour associated with organized crime and prostitution. It is more like a proper name of the place. Like the Viertel in Bremen IIRC.
Re: False friends and other unfortunate coincidences
Posted: 10 Oct 2020 17:39
by WeepingElf
Creyeditor wrote: ↑10 Oct 2020 16:39
Well, coming from near Hamburg, Kiez specifically refers to the area around Reeperbahn, a neighbour associated with organized crime and prostitution. It is more like a proper name of the place. Like the Viertel in Bremen IIRC.
I see. AFAIK, the Berlin usage is indeed older, originating in a Slavic word for 'village' or something like that. So the word spread in the meaning of 'neighbourhood' to Hamburg, where it was soon narrowed to a particular neighbourhood and shifted its meaning.
Re: False friends and other unfortunate coincidences
Posted: 10 Oct 2020 18:38
by Creyeditor
That makes a lot of sense.