Languages with labialized and palatalized consonants

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Languages with labialized and palatalized consonants

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Are there any languages with both labialized and palatalized consonants? It feels like languages tend to have one or the other but I am hoping there are a few oddballs out there that mix them up. I am really interested in seeing what their phonologies might be like. I am especially interested in consonant vowel interaction. Maybe this is actually quite common, I don't know.

I understand there is some dispute over say, Russian, in that some say the nonpalatalized consonants are labialized but I am looking for something unambiguous. Say a language with /k/ /kʲ/ and /kʷ/
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I think it is reasonably common. Here are four examples.
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Creyeditor wrote:I think it is reasonably common. Here are four examples.
Thanks! Ack I keep forgetting about phoible.
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Isn't Proto-Indo-European also reconstructed to have had both palatalized and labialized velar stops?
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GrandPiano wrote:Isn't Proto-Indo-European also reconstructed to have had both palatalized and labialized velar stops?
That is interesting! Thanks. I'll have to read the PIE phonology page on wikipedia!

I have only had limited luck with searching for multiple segments at once in phoible. I am not sure if it is possible. I did have some luck with SAPhon though and found a paper on a nice little language with all three /k/ /kʲ/ and /kʷ/.
http://linguistics.berkeley.edu/~saphon ... chiMP.html
http://commons.emich.edu/cgi/viewconten ... ext=theses
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Marshallese is a fairly well-known example I think since it does have extensive vowel allophony as a result. Only n, r, l, and the (pretty theoretically abstract) glides have a three-way contrast, though; for the plosives, there's palatalized /pʲ tʲ/ but no /kʲ/, and labialized /kʷ/ but no /pʷ tʷ/.
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Sumelic,
Thanks for that link. Pretty interesting to see!

As an aside, I am not nearly bold enough with where I leave gaps in my own phonologies!
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I don't think it counts, but I have Plain-Labial contrast rather than Voiceless-Voiced or Tenuis-Aspirated contrast in my personal ConLang.
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Gurage languages like Chaha might be of interest. The only issue would be that the palatalized consonants are realized as postalveolar.
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GrandPiano wrote:Isn't Proto-Indo-European also reconstructed to have had both palatalized and labialized velar stops?
The palatals may originally have been plain velars.
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