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Re: Until Hell freezes over

Posted: 22 Oct 2010 23:54
by Khemehekis
Ossicone wrote::con: Inyauk: Fía itxmátxuil i-áyarikuba Látxalaya Útsalaya.
/'fi-ia iʧ-'maʧu-il i-'ajarik-uba 'laʧal-aja 'uʦal-aja/
2sg-BEN 1sgP-love-GVR DEF-joining-BFR latxal-OBJ utsal-OBJ
'I will love you until Latxal and Utsal meet.'

Latxal(moon) and Utsal(ocean) are the 2 gods of destruction (they <3 each other). If/when they meet everything will be destroyed. :D
Nifty!

Love your new signature too.

Re: Until Hell freezes over

Posted: 23 Oct 2010 05:33
by Ossicone
Khemehekis wrote:
Ossicone wrote::con: Inyauk: Fía itxmátxuil i-áyarikuba Látxalaya Útsalaya.
/'fi-ia iʧ-'maʧu-il i-'ajarik-uba 'laʧal-aja 'uʦal-aja/
2sg-BEN 1sgP-love-GVR DEF-joining-BFR latxal-OBJ utsal-OBJ
'I will love you until Latxal and Utsal meet.'

Latxal(moon) and Utsal(ocean) are the 2 gods of destruction (they <3 each other). If/when they meet everything will be destroyed. :D
Nifty!

Love your new signature too.
:D :D

Re: Until Hell freezes over

Posted: 23 Oct 2010 10:58
by reizoukin
Slaua oelnifob oeikail oftjae iia mu Karaar oelnifob pljae. (Aua ifob oeikail tjae iia Mukaraar ifob pljae.)
I future-ADV love-LKLY you until the Path future-ADV darken. (I future-ADV love-LKLY you until DEF-Path future-ADV darken.)
/slaua wɛlniβob wɛigail oβdʲa: ija mu kɒao wɛlniβob plʲa:/ (/aua iβob wɛigail tʲa: ija mukɒao iβob plʲa:/)
I will love you until the Path darkens.

The Mfeparolnjilt believe that when they die, they go to a path, and that you cross this path as a shining ball of light.


Slaua oelnifob oeikail oftjae iia mu Leintolnjilt oelnifob unga Farisa. (Aua ifob oeikal tjae iia Muleintolnjilt ifob unga Farisa.)
I future-ADV love-LKLY you until the Reint-er-PL future-ADV seize-DEF Farisa. (I future-ADV love-LKLY you until DEF-Reint-ers future-ADV seize-DEF Farisa.
/slaua wɛlniβob wɛigail oβdʲa: ija mu lɛintolnʲilt wɛlniβob uŋa ɸɒiza/ (/aua iβob wɛigail tʲa: ija mulɛintolnʲilt iβob uŋa ɸɒiza/)
I will love you until the Reintish seize Farisa.

Reint is a country south of Farisa, where all the people live in poverty. It's ironic because at a later point the Reintish DO seize Farisa.

Re: Until Hell freezes over

Posted: 01 Nov 2010 00:21
by xijlwya
:con: goshpysheshta: nel kue dhas ko ki ga hiedhe zhw kagat kittha gadhgai pa
PRD AUX feel-with 1 2 REL until STA know human sky REL
I will feel with you until humans know the sky.


Because the sky is the place where the dathakh (the gods) live, the kittha (humans on the surface) consider it impossible for them to reach this holy realm.

Re: Until Hell freezes over

Posted: 07 Nov 2020 18:41
by Dormouse559
Image Silvish. I came up with three options. There are probably a bunch more out there.


 Jho sy a té avoî k' î nevése a la Sen Majheré.
[ʒo.sjaˈte ʔaˈvuː kiː.nəˈve.sə ʔa.la.sɛ̃m.mɑˈʒʁe]
1S.NOM be.1S to 2S.DSJ until SBRD 3S.NOM snow-IPF_SBJV-3S at DEF-F.C.ACC saint.F.N.OBL Margaret.OBL

I'm yours until it snows on Saint Margaret's Day.

Margaret of Antioch is celebrated on July 20, so snow is the last thing in the Silvish forecast at that point. This option is probably the most positive or romantic. It's evocative, and it invokes a saint associated with childbirth and pregnant women, which could connect to loving relationships of a few different kinds.


 Jho sy a té avoî k' la ppoela eusön de den.
[ʒo.sjaˈte ʔaˈvuː klɑˈpu.la ˈʔø.sŋ̩ dəˈdɛ̃ŋ]
1S.NOM be.1S to 2S.DSJ until SBRD DEF-F.C PL-chicken have.IPF_SBJV-3P INDF.PL tooth

I'm yours until chickens have teeth.

I borrowed this option from French, and it strikes me as kind of wacky in this context. Is it a promise or a threat? Who knows?


 Jho sy a té avoî ke tu m' atrapése un daū.
[ʒo.sjaˈte ʔaˈvuː ke.ty.ma.tʁaˈpe.sə ʔœ̃n.daˈy]
1S.NOM be.1S to 2S.DSJ until SBRD 2S-NOM 1S.DAT catch-IPF_SBJV-2S INDF.M.C dahu

I'm yours until you catch me a dahu.

Finally, this option, which I'd say gives the most negative vibe. The dahu is an imaginary creature that inhabits mountainous areas in Europe. So this option works best as an impossible quid pro quo (e.g. Jho t' edyeré kan ke tu m' atrapése un daū "I'll help you when you catch me a dahu"). In this translation, the speaker is saying they won't leave unless the addressee does something impossible. Really puts the onus on the addressee.


On a general note, Silvish gets to use its imperfect subjunctive (a counterfactual) in the "until" clauses, adding extra oomph to the "This will never, ever happen" idea. The other possible verb form in those clauses, the present subjunctive, is a better choice for things that are certain or likely to happen.

Re: Until Hell freezes over

Posted: 09 Nov 2020 07:57
by Iyionaku
:con: Yélian

Sat roiavai nabetál dorman royovti cu veto.
[sɐt ɾɔ̈ˈɪ̯aːʋaɪ̯ nɐbəˈtaːl ˈdoɾmɐn ɾɔ̈ˈʃɔʊ̯ti kʉ ˈveːtɔ̈]
2SG.OBL FUT-love-1SG until_then beaver.PL FUT-dance-3PL at beach
I will love you until beavers dance on the beach.

Borrowed from several similar idioms in natlangs, that all incorporate an animal doing stuff an animal does not do, like pigs whistling (German), crawfish whistling on the mountain (Russian) or the aforementioned teething chickens.

Re: Until Hell freezes over

Posted: 11 Nov 2020 09:58
by Khemehekis
Dormouse559 wrote: 07 Nov 2020 18:41  Jho sy a té avoî ke tu m' atrapése un daū.
[ʒo.sjaˈte ʔaˈvuː ke.ty.ma.tʁaˈpe.sə ʔœ̃n.daˈy]
1S.NOM be.1S to 2S.DSJ until SBRD 2S-NOM 1S.DAT catch-IPF_SBJV-2S INDF.M.C dahu

I'm yours until you catch me a dahu.

Finally, this option, which I'd say gives the most negative vibe. The dahu is an imaginary creature that inhabits mountainous areas in Europe. So this option works best as an impossible quid pro quo (e.g. Jho t' edyeré kan ke tu m' atrapése un daū "I'll help you when you catch me a dahu"). In this translation, the speaker is saying they won't leave unless the addressee does something impossible. Really puts the onus on the addressee.
This is a great one! It took me a few seconds to remember what a dahu was, and then it turned out that that jogging of my memory wasn't even necessary, because you explained it below.

Re: Until Hell freezes over

Posted: 12 Nov 2020 02:33
by Dormouse559
Khemehekis wrote: 11 Nov 2020 09:58 This is a great one! It took me a few seconds to remember what a dahu was, and then it turned out that that jogging of my memory wasn't even necessary, because you explained it below.
Cool! I'm glad you enjoy it [:)]

Re: Until Hell freezes over

Posted: 05 Dec 2020 02:31
by Khemehekis
Dormouse559 wrote: 12 Nov 2020 02:33
Khemehekis wrote: 11 Nov 2020 09:58 This is a great one! It took me a few seconds to remember what a dahu was, and then it turned out that that jogging of my memory wasn't even necessary, because you explained it below.
Cool! I'm glad you enjoy it [:)]
In the American West, we have the gyascutus.

Re: Until Hell freezes over

Posted: 05 Dec 2020 18:45
by Dormouse559
Khemehekis wrote: 05 Dec 2020 02:31
Dormouse559 wrote: 12 Nov 2020 02:33
Khemehekis wrote: 11 Nov 2020 09:58 This is a great one! It took me a few seconds to remember what a dahu was, and then it turned out that that jogging of my memory wasn't even necessary, because you explained it below.
Cool! I'm glad you enjoy it [:)]
In the American West, we have the gyascutus.
Hmm, as a denizen of the American West™, I can't say I've ever heard of that. It appears to be distinctly nonfictional, though. Personally, I find that the dahu reminds me of the jackalope.

Re: Until Hell freezes over

Posted: 05 Dec 2020 18:50
by Khemehekis
Dormouse559 wrote: 05 Dec 2020 18:45 Hmm, as a denizen of the American West™, I can't say I've ever heard of that. It appears to be distinctly nonfictional, though. Personally, I find that the dahu reminds me of the jackalope.
::Turns to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyascutus and is flabbergasted as the entry reveals nothing but a beetle genus::

No, not that! This:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidehill_gouger

Re: Until Hell freezes over

Posted: 05 Dec 2020 19:22
by eldin raigmore
Dormouse559 wrote: 05 Dec 2020 18:45
Khemehekis wrote: 05 Dec 2020 02:31 In the American West, we have the gyascutus.
Hmm, as a denizen of the American West™, I can't say I've ever heard of that. It appears to be distinctly nonfictional, though. Personally, I find that the dahu reminds me of the jackalope.
The folkloric gyascutus appears to have started in Vermont as far as Wikipedia can tell. Unless I misunderstood.

There’s a real-life genus of beetles called gyascutus. They don’t have legs longer on the left than the right, though.

Re: Until Hell freezes over

Posted: 05 Dec 2020 22:37
by Dormouse559
Khemehekis wrote: 05 Dec 2020 18:50
Dormouse559 wrote: 05 Dec 2020 18:45 Hmm, as a denizen of the American West™, I can't say I've ever heard of that. It appears to be distinctly nonfictional, though. Personally, I find that the dahu reminds me of the jackalope.
::Turns to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyascutus and is flabbergasted as the entry reveals nothing but a beetle genus::

No, not that! This:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidehill_gouger
Oh! That makes more sense. I hadn't heard of the sidehill gouger either [:P] I should brush up on my cryptids.
eldin raigmore wrote: 05 Dec 2020 19:22 The folkloric gyascutus appears to have started in Vermont as far as Wikipedia can tell. Unless I misunderstood.
Must be migratory [xD]

Re: Until Hell freezes over

Posted: 14 Dec 2020 02:41
by Khemehekis
Dormouse559 wrote: 05 Dec 2020 22:37
eldin raigmore wrote: 05 Dec 2020 19:22 The folkloric gyascutus appears to have started in Vermont as far as Wikipedia can tell. Unless I misunderstood.
Must be migratory [xD]
My understanding is that the tale of the gyascutus originated in the West; however, an embellishment of the gyascutus story is that the species originated in Vermont and then migrated to the West.