British Romance Language Collablang

[Artaxes]

222.b
223.Frislander's proposal
224.a
225.b
226.a

[Esneirra973]

What are the major cities/regions of the USC?

Some major cities include Santiago de Cuva, La Cydade de Nove Buraw, Sant Agustin, Nove Stocolme, and Havana. Some major regions include the USC-controlled Caribbean, referred to as Les Antills in Brettaniot, and the northern USC, referred to as Le Nord in Brettaniot. These two regions are the most economically prosperous as of 1841 CE.

I'm closing the vote now due to Hurricane Dorian. The posting of the results for the next round will be delayed until further notice. If all goes well, then the results will be posted on Saturday, September 7th. I am working on the next round of questions now. They should be posted shortly.

Good luck!

Thank you!

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Thanks!

[zyma]

What are the major cities/regions of the USC?

Some major cities include Santiago de Cuva, La Cydade de Nove Buraw, Sant Agustin, Nove Stocolme, and Havana. Some major regions include the USC-controlled Caribbean, referred to as Les Antills in Brettaniot, and the northern USC, referred to as Le Nord in Brettaniot. These two regions are the most economically prosperous as of 1841 CE.

Thank you!

[Esneirra973]

What are the major cities/regions of the USC?

Some major cities include Santiago de Cuva, La Cydade de Nove Buraw, Sant Agustin, Nove Stocolme, and Havana. Some major regions include the USC-controlled Caribbean, referred to as Les Antills in Brettaniot, and the northern USC, referred to as Le Nord in Brettaniot. These two regions are the most economically prosperous as of 1841 CE.

Thank you!

No problem!

[Frislander]

222. b
223. /i u ə ɛ ɔ æ/ [i u ɨ ɛ ɔ ɐ]
224. a
225. b
226. a

[Esneirra973]

The results are in!

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218) How should sequences of /VN/ be realized in Modern Standard Brettaniot?
a) /VN/ > [VN]

220) How will long vowels be pronounced adjacent to /ʁ/?
d) /iː uː eː oː ɑː/ > [eɪ̯ oʊ̯ ɛː ɔː ɑː] after /ʁ/, and [ɪə̯ uə̯ eɐ̯ oɐ̯ ɑː] before /ʁ/ (proposed by cedh)

221) The year is 1900 CE. French revolutionaries in Quebec want independence from Britain. How should Britain react?
a) Grant Quebec its independence.

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To further progress the thread, I used a random number generator to decide this tie. The winner was Option C, proposed by cedh.

219) How will short vowels be pronounced adjacent to /ʁ/?
c) /ɪ ʊ ə ɛ ɔ æ/ > [ɪ ʊ ɐ ɛ ɔ ɑ] (proposed by cedh)

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222) Quebec ended up becoming a republic and remained relatively peaceful and neutral until the present day. For the first time in the history of this thread, we will be switching to a different point of view. We will now be voting from the perspective of the United States of Columbia (Brettaniot: Stats Ynids de Colombie). The year is 1841 CE. The USC is now officially a republic. What should our form of government be?
a) It should be a democracy or republic. This would result in General Wirune DeCaldunie, the current Grand General of the Columbian Army, becoming the first president.
b) It should become a constitutional monarchy. The first possibility is Prince Charles of Prussia becoming king.

223) How should the short vowels /i u ə ɛ ɔ æ/ be realized?
c) /i u ə ɛ ɔ æ/ > [i u ɨ ɛ ɔ ɐ] (proposed by Frislander)

224) How should the long vowels /iː uː eː oː aː/ be realized?
a) /iː uː eː oː aː/ > [iː uː eː oː aː] (proposed by GoshDiggityDangit)

225) How should /r/ be realized?
b) /r/ > [ɹ]

226) How should the diphthongs /ei oi ai eu ou au/ be realized?
a) /ei oi ai eu ou au/ > [ɛj ɔj aj ɛw ɔw aw] (proposed by GoshDiggityDangit)

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227) It is the year 1850. France is going through economic trouble, and wants to sell us the Luisianne territory (OTL Louisiana Purchase). Should we accept?
a) Yes.
b) No.
c) Other.

228) How should /ɲ/ be realized in General Columbian Brettaniot?
a) /ɲ/ > [ɲ]
b) /ɲ/ > [nj]
c) /ɲ/ > [nd͡ʒ]
d) /ɲ/ > [nz]
e) Other.

229) How should /ʎ/ be realized in General Columbian Brettaniot?
a) /ʎ/ > [ʎ]
b) /ʎ/ > [lj]
c) /ʎ/ > [ld͡ʒ]
d) /ʎ/ > [d͡ʒ]
e) /ʎ/ > [lz]
f) Other.

Here are the top 5 major cities in Britain by population. They are all very similar to their OTL counterparts.

1. Lundin (OTL London) - From Latin Londinium
2. Mamoce (OTL Manchester) - From Latim Mamucium
3. Estain de Leme (OTL Liverpool) - Calque of Liverpool / From Old Brettaniot Estagna de Lema "pool of mud"
4. Leynse (OTL Leeds) - From the old Brythonic word Ladenses "people of the fast-flowing river"
5. Tameriuçe (OTL Plymouth) - From an ancient name for the city TAMARI OSTIA "mouth/estuaries of the Tamar"

The 8 provinces of Britain are Vianidoçe, Urduviçe, Dynhunie, Drevaçe, Cança, Lundin, Buraw, and Ragiçe. In English, the names are Gwynedd, Powys, Dumnonia, Drevatia, Kent, London, York, and Rheged. Here is a map of the provinces.

These are the sound changes that happened from Vulgar Latin to Modern Brettaniot.

Spoiler:

Vulgar Latin to Proto-Brettaniot
/ɪ ʊ/ > /i o/
/skʲ/ > /ʃ/
/kkʲ kʲ gʲ/ > /t͡ʃ t͡ʃ j~d͡ʒ/
/Cs Ct/ > /jʃ jt͡ʃ/
/tʲ dʲ/ > /t͡s d͡z/
/i u e o ɛ ɔ a/ > /i u ei ou iə uə æ~iə/ | in open syllables
/p b t d k g/ > /b v d ð g ɣ/ | between vowels
/i u e o ɛ ɔ a/ > /i u ə o ə o ə/ | unstressed
/u o ou ɔ/ > /y u u o/
/j/ > /d͡ʒ/ | word-initially
/jj/ > /d͡ʒ/ | in medial position
/mn kn gn nj/ > /ɲ/
/pl tl kl gl lj/ > /ʎ/
/t d/ > /θ ð/ /_#
Proto-Brettaniot to Old Brettaniot
/ɣ/ > /j/ | after front vowels
/ɣ/ > /w/
/y/ > /i/
/i u/ > /ɪ ʊ/ | unstressed
/iə uə/ > /ɪ ʊ/
/ij uj ɪj ʊj ej oj ɛj aj/ > /i ui ei oi ei oi ei ai/
/iw uw ɪw ʊw ew ow ɛw aw/ > /iu u eu ou eu ou eu au/
/ɪ ʊ/ > /e o/
The phoneme /h/ entered Old Brettaniot through loanwords.
/ə/ > /∅/ | word-finally
/f θ s/ > /v ð z/ | between vowels
/ui iu/ > /y/
Old Brettaniot to Middle Brettaniot
/y/ > /i/
/ɲ ʎ/ > /ɲ ʎ/, /jɲ~jn jʎ~jl/ after vowels
/ɛ/ > /ea/
/θ ð/ > /d/
/oi eu ei ou ea/ > /we jo je wo ja/
/wj jw/ > /wi ju/ | after consonants
/ai au/ > /ei ou/
The phonemes /ai au/ are reintroduced through loanwords.
/VCə/ > /VːC/
/t͡s d͡z/ > /s z/
/ɲ ʎ/ > /jn jl/ | in coda position
/ei ou ai au/ > /iː uː eː oː/ | unstressed
/e o/ > /i u/ (unstressed)
Middle Brettaniot to Early Modern Brettaniot
/Vi Vu/ > /iː uː/
/iː uː eː oː aː/ > /əi əu ei ou a/
/kw gw/ > /p b/
/r/ > /ʁ/ | only in the southeast (it becomes /ɹ/ elsewhere)
/əi əu ei ou/ > /eː oː iː uː/
/oː/ > /aː/ | when a low vowel follows
short /e o/ > /ɛ ɔ/
/a/ > /æ/
/tj dj sj zj/ > /sj zj sj zj/
/s z/ > /ʃ ʒ/ | after /u i j w/
/ɲ ʎ/ > /jn jl/ word-finally and before consonants, but are retained elsewhere.
Early Modern Brettaniot to Modern Brettaniot
/ə/ > /∅/ | VC_CV

Standard Brettaniot (Lundin)

Spoiler:

/r/ > /ʁ/
/i u ɛ ɔ æ/ > /ɪ ʊ ɛ ɔ æ/
/iː uː eː oː aː/ > /iː uː eː oː ɑː/
/Vʁ/ > /Vʁ/ (/Vχ/ before voiceless consonants)
/ei oi ai eu ou au/ > [eɪ oɪ æɪ eʊ oʊ ɑʊ]
/l/ > [l̴]
/ɲ ʎ/ > [nj lj]
/iː uː eː oː ɑː/ > [eɪ̯ oʊ̯ ɛː ɔː ɑː] after /ʁ/, and [ɪə̯ uə̯ eɐ̯ oɐ̯ ɑː] before /ʁ/
/ɪ ʊ ə ɛ ɔ æ/ > [ɪ ʊ ɐ ɛ ɔ ɑ] adjacent to /ʁ/

General Columbian Brettaniot (Nove Stocolme)

Spoiler:

/i u ə ɛ ɔ æ/ > [i u ɨ ɛ ɔ ɐ]
/iː uː eː oː aː/ > [iː uː eː oː aː]
/r/ > [ɹ]
/ei oi ai eu ou au/ > [ɛj ɔj aj ɛw ɔw aw]

And here's the phonology of Modern Brettaniot that most linguistics textbooks in this alternate universe would show you. It is meant to be a universal transcription. This is different from Standard Brettaniot, the dialect spoken in London. From this point forward, we will be merely defining dialectical differences.

Spoiler:

/m n ɲ/ - <m n gn~ni>
/p b t d k g/ - <p b t d c~qu g~gu> (/k g/ are only <qu gu> before the vowels <i>, <y>, and <e>, and /k/ can be written as <c~cq~q> word-finally)
/t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ - <ci~c gi~g> (/t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ are only <c g> before the vowels <i>, <y>, and <e>)
/f v s z ʃ/ - <f v s~ss~ç s~z sh~sc> (/ʃ/ is <sc> before front vowels and <s> when coming from former /s/)
/r l ʎ j w/ - <r l gl~li y~i w~u> (the spelling of /ʎ/ is determined etymologically, and /j w/ <i u> except initially, finally, and between vowels)
/kw gw/ - <qu~cu gu>
/i u ə ɛ ɔ æ/ - <i~y~e u~o e e~a o a> (the distinction between <i~y> /i/ and <e~a> /ə/ is determined etymologically)
/iː uː eː oː aː/ - <e~ae o~ao i~y~ai~ay~oi~oy~ae u~au~aw~eu~ew~ao u~au~aw~eu~ew~ao>
(Sequences of /eːC oːC iːC uːC/ can also be written as <iCe uCe eCe oCe>.)

Personal Pronouns:
Subject

Spoiler:

je
ti
ill
illa
nus
vus
ills
illas

Object

Spoiler:

me
te
le
le
nus
vus
les
les

Reflexive

Spoiler:

me
te
se
se
nus
vus
se
se

Disjunctive

Spoiler:

mey
tey
sey
sey
nus
vus
sey
sey

Voting closes on Saturday (September 14th) at 21:00 EDT. Results will be posted around 30 minutes after that.

[zyma]

222: a
227: b
228: a
229: a

Am I overlooking something, or is this really the only question this round?

[Artaxes]

222.b
227.a
228.a
229.a

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Edit: If we have come to the end, then maybe we can try to make a few more dialects, e.g. Vembelgar, Yorkish or Ordovician / Welsh accent.

[Esneirra973]

222: a

Am I overlooking something, or is this really the only question this round?

My mistake! I forgot to put in new questions. I'll add them now.

EDIT: The new questions (227-229) have been added.

[Esneirra973]

222. A
227. A
228. D
229. D

[this_is_an_account]

222: A
227: A
228: A
229: A

[qwed117]

222. A
227. A
228. C
229. C

[Esneirra973]

222.b

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Edit: If we have come to the end, then maybe we can try to make a few more dialects, e.g. Vembelgar, Yorkish or Ordovician / Welsh accent.

Fun Fact: The adjective version of Buraw "York" is Burageis, from Old Brettaniot Burageis, from Vulgar Latin *Eboracensis. The adjective forms for the other cities you mentioned would be Vembelgreis and Urduviçeis (probably written as Vembelgarian and Ordovician in English).

[zyma]

222: a

Am I overlooking something, or is this really the only question this round?

My mistake! I forgot to put in new questions. I'll add them now.

EDIT: The new questions (227-229) have been added.

Ah, thank you! I've edited my post.

[Esneirra973]

222: a

Am I overlooking something, or is this really the only question this round?

My mistake! I forgot to put in new questions. I'll add them now.

EDIT: The new questions (227-229) have been added.

Ah, thank you! I've edited my post.

No problem!

[GoshDiggityDangit]

222: a
227: a
228: c
229: c

[Esneirra973]

The results are in!

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222) Quebec ended up becoming a republic and remained relatively peaceful and neutral until the present day. For the first time in the history of this thread, we will be switching to a different point of view. We will now be voting from the perspective of the United States of Columbia (Brettaniot: Stats Ynids de Colombie). The year is 1841 CE. The USC is now officially a republic. What should our form of government be?
a) It should be a democracy or republic. This would result in General Wirune DeCaldunie, the current Grand General of the Columbian Army, becoming the first president.

227) It is the year 1850. France is going through economic trouble, and wants to sell us the Luisianne territory (OTL Louisiana Purchase). Should we accept?
a) Yes.

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There was a tie between options A and C for both of these questions. They will be voted on again.

228) How should /ɲ/ be realized in General Columbian Brettaniot?
a) /ɲ/ > [ɲ]
c) /ɲ/ > [nd͡ʒ]

229) How should /ʎ/ be realized in General Columbian Brettaniot?
a) /ʎ/ > [ʎ]
c) /ʎ/ > [ld͡ʒ]

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230) How should the sequences [iɹ uɹ ɨɹ ɛɹ ɔɹ ɐɹ] be realized?
a) [iɹ uɹ ɨɹ ɛɹ ɔɹ ɐɹ] > [iɚ uɚ ɨɚ ɛɚ ɔɚ ɚ]
b) [iɹ uɹ ɨɹ ɛɹ ɔɹ ɐɹ] > [iː uː ɨː ɛː ɔː ɐː]
c) [iɹ uɹ ɨɹ ɛɹ ɔɹ ɐɹ] > [ɛɚ ɔɚ ɨɚ ɛɚ ɔɚ ɚ]
d) Other.

231) How should the sequences [iːɹ uːɹ eːɹ oːɹ aːɹ] be realized?
a) [iːɹ uːɹ eːɹ oːɹ aːɹ] > [iːɚ uːɚ eːɚ oːɚ aːɚ]
b) [iːɹ uːɹ eːɹ oːɹ aːɹ] > [iːɚ uːɚ ejɚ owɚ aːɚ]
c) [iːɹ uːɹ eːɹ oːɹ aːɹ] > [eːɚ oːɚ eːɚ oːɚ aːɚ]
d) [iːɹ uːɹ eːɹ oːɹ aːɹ] > [ejɚ owɚ ejɚ owɚ aːɚ]
e) [iːɹ uːɹ eːɹ oːɹ aːɹ] > [iːə uːə eːə oːə aːə]
f) Other.

232) How should the sequences [ɛjɹ ɔjɹ ajɹ ɛwɹ ɔwɹ awɹ] be realized?
a) [ɛjɹ ɔjɹ ajɹ ɛwɹ ɔwɹ awɹ] > [ejɚ ojɚ ajɚ ewɚ owɚ awɚ]
b) [ɛjɹ ɔjɹ ajɹ ɛwɹ ɔwɹ awɹ] > [ejə ojə ajə ewə owə awə]
c) [ɛjɹ ɔjɹ ajɹ ɛwɹ ɔwɹ awɹ] > [eːɚ oːɚ aːɚ eːɚ oːɚ aːɚ]
d) [ɛjɹ ɔjɹ ajɹ ɛwɹ ɔwɹ awɹ] > [eːɚ ojɚ aːɚ ewɚ oːɚ aːɚ] (proposed by gokupwned5)
e) Other.

233) It is 1867 CE, and since the conception of the USC, slavery has been a major issue. Although the slave trade was banned in 1808 CE, slavery has yet to be outlawed, which has made the African Columbian dominated South (Florida, Cuba, Haiti, the Bahamas, and Shaymaca) unhappy. This year, tensions exploded under Democratic president George MacLowlin /mæklowlin/, and a slave rebellion has started. What happens next?
a) Any slaves remaining are emancipated.
b) Violence ensues, and the states mentioned above secede from the USC as the Republic of the Northern Antilles.
c) Any slaves remaining are emancipated, and European immigrants are encouraged to go to the South to ensure that African Columbians no longer make up the majority of the population. (Basically what happened in OTL Cuba)
d) Other.

Here are the top 5 major cities in Britain by population. They are all very similar to their OTL counterparts.

1. Lundin (OTL London) - From Latin Londinium
2. Mamoce (OTL Manchester) - From Latim Mamucium
3. Estain de Leme (OTL Liverpool) - Calque of Liverpool / From Old Brettaniot Estagna de Lema "pool of mud"
4. Leynse (OTL Leeds) - From the old Brythonic word Ladenses "people of the fast-flowing river"
5. Tameriuçe (OTL Plymouth) - From an ancient name for the city TAMARI OSTIA "mouth/estuaries of the Tamar"

The 8 provinces of Britain are Vianidoçe, Urduviçe, Dynhunie, Drevaçe, Cança, Lundin, Buraw, and Ragiçe. In English, the names are Gwynedd, Powys, Dumnonia, Drevatia, Kent, London, York, and Rheged. Here is a map of the provinces.

These are the sound changes that happened from Vulgar Latin to Modern Brettaniot.

Spoiler:

Vulgar Latin to Proto-Brettaniot
/ɪ ʊ/ > /i o/
/skʲ/ > /ʃ/
/kkʲ kʲ gʲ/ > /t͡ʃ t͡ʃ j~d͡ʒ/
/Cs Ct/ > /jʃ jt͡ʃ/
/tʲ dʲ/ > /t͡s d͡z/
/i u e o ɛ ɔ a/ > /i u ei ou iə uə æ~iə/ | in open syllables
/p b t d k g/ > /b v d ð g ɣ/ | between vowels
/i u e o ɛ ɔ a/ > /i u ə o ə o ə/ | unstressed
/u o ou ɔ/ > /y u u o/
/j/ > /d͡ʒ/ | word-initially
/jj/ > /d͡ʒ/ | in medial position
/mn kn gn nj/ > /ɲ/
/pl tl kl gl lj/ > /ʎ/
/t d/ > /θ ð/ /_#
Proto-Brettaniot to Old Brettaniot
/ɣ/ > /j/ | after front vowels
/ɣ/ > /w/
/y/ > /i/
/i u/ > /ɪ ʊ/ | unstressed
/iə uə/ > /ɪ ʊ/
/ij uj ɪj ʊj ej oj ɛj aj/ > /i ui ei oi ei oi ei ai/
/iw uw ɪw ʊw ew ow ɛw aw/ > /iu u eu ou eu ou eu au/
/ɪ ʊ/ > /e o/
The phoneme /h/ entered Old Brettaniot through loanwords.
/ə/ > /∅/ | word-finally
/f θ s/ > /v ð z/ | between vowels
/ui iu/ > /y/
Old Brettaniot to Middle Brettaniot
/y/ > /i/
/ɲ ʎ/ > /ɲ ʎ/, /jɲ~jn jʎ~jl/ after vowels
/ɛ/ > /ea/
/θ ð/ > /d/
/oi eu ei ou ea/ > /we jo je wo ja/
/wj jw/ > /wi ju/ | after consonants
/ai au/ > /ei ou/
The phonemes /ai au/ are reintroduced through loanwords.
/VCə/ > /VːC/
/t͡s d͡z/ > /s z/
/ɲ ʎ/ > /jn jl/ | in coda position
/ei ou ai au/ > /iː uː eː oː/ | unstressed
/e o/ > /i u/ (unstressed)
Middle Brettaniot to Early Modern Brettaniot
/Vi Vu/ > /iː uː/
/iː uː eː oː aː/ > /əi əu ei ou a/
/kw gw/ > /p b/
/r/ > /ʁ/ | only in the southeast (it becomes /ɹ/ elsewhere)
/əi əu ei ou/ > /eː oː iː uː/
/oː/ > /aː/ | when a low vowel follows
short /e o/ > /ɛ ɔ/
/a/ > /æ/
/tj dj sj zj/ > /sj zj sj zj/
/s z/ > /ʃ ʒ/ | after /u i j w/
/ɲ ʎ/ > /jn jl/ word-finally and before consonants, but are retained elsewhere.
Early Modern Brettaniot to Modern Brettaniot
/ə/ > /∅/ | VC_CV

Standard Brettaniot (Lundin)

Spoiler:

/r/ > /ʁ/
/i u ɛ ɔ æ/ > /ɪ ʊ ɛ ɔ æ/
/iː uː eː oː aː/ > /iː uː eː oː ɑː/
/Vʁ/ > /Vʁ/ (/Vχ/ before voiceless consonants)
/ei oi ai eu ou au/ > [eɪ oɪ æɪ eʊ oʊ ɑʊ]
/l/ > [l̴]
/ɲ ʎ/ > [nj lj]
/iː uː eː oː ɑː/ > [eɪ̯ oʊ̯ ɛː ɔː ɑː] after /ʁ/, and [ɪə̯ uə̯ eɐ̯ oɐ̯ ɑː] before /ʁ/
/ɪ ʊ ə ɛ ɔ æ/ > [ɪ ʊ ɐ ɛ ɔ ɑ] adjacent to /ʁ/

General Columbian Brettaniot (Nove Stocolme)

Spoiler:

/i u ə ɛ ɔ æ/ > [i u ɨ ɛ ɔ ɐ]
/iː uː eː oː aː/ > [iː uː eː oː aː]
/r/ > [ɹ]
/ei oi ai eu ou au/ > [ɛj ɔj aj ɛw ɔw aw]

And here's the phonology of Modern Brettaniot that most linguistics textbooks in this alternate universe would show you. It is meant to be a universal transcription. This is different from Standard Brettaniot, the dialect spoken in London. From this point forward, we will be merely defining dialectical differences.

Spoiler:

/m n ɲ/ - <m n gn~ni>
/p b t d k g/ - <p b t d c~qu g~gu> (/k g/ are only <qu gu> before the vowels <i>, <y>, and <e>, and /k/ can be written as <c~cq~q> word-finally)
/t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ - <ci~c gi~g> (/t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ are only <c g> before the vowels <i>, <y>, and <e>)
/f v s z ʃ/ - <f v s~ss~ç s~z sh~sc> (/ʃ/ is <sc> before front vowels and <s> when coming from former /s/)
/r l ʎ j w/ - <r l gl~li y~i w~u> (the spelling of /ʎ/ is determined etymologically, and /j w/ <i u> except initially, finally, and between vowels)
/kw gw/ - <qu~cu gu>
/i u ə ɛ ɔ æ/ - <i~y~e u~o e e~a o a> (the distinction between <i~y> /i/ and <e~a> /ə/ is determined etymologically)
/iː uː eː oː aː/ - <e~ae o~ao i~y~ai~ay~oi~oy~ae u~au~aw~eu~ew~ao u~au~aw~eu~ew~ao>
(Sequences of /eːC oːC iːC uːC/ can also be written as <iCe uCe eCe oCe>.)

Personal Pronouns:
Subject

Spoiler:

je
ti
ill
illa
nus
vus
ills
illas

Object

Spoiler:

me
te
le
le
nus
vus
les
les

Reflexive

Spoiler:

me
te
se
se
nus
vus
se
se

Disjunctive

Spoiler:

mey
tey
sey
sey
nus
vus
sey
sey

Voting closes on Saturday (September 21th) at 21:00 EDT. Results will be posted around 30 minutes after that.

[zyma]

228: a
229: a
230: a
231: a
232: a
233: a

[this_is_an_account]

228: A
229: A
230: C
231: A
232: A
233: A

The answers for questions 228 & 229 not matching up seems really weird to me. I'd rather we did a revote of them.

[zyma]

I'd rather we did a revote of [questions 228 & 229].