Guess the Word in Romlangs

[qwed117]

I think qwed117's asking if it began with <i> or <ī>.

Yeah that's the correct interpretation

[Salmoneus]

Then no, it didn't.

[All4Ɇn]

Does inv from the i and the n switching places? So originally being something like niv or nev?

[qwed117]

Does inv from the i and the n switching places? So originally being something like niv or nev?

Was the first phoneme of *invaz(ar) preceded by a consonant in Latin that was later elided? (ie, did invaza come from a word beginning in a consonant)

Those are two different questions!

No, the first phoneme of *invazar was not preceded by a consonant in Latin.

Did it begin with *o *ō

[Salmoneus]

Does inv from the i and the n switching places? So originally being something like niv or nev?

That's a great guess!

But it's not entirely correct.

[Salmoneus]

Did it begin with *o *ō

No, I'm afraid not.

[qwed117]

So *u or *u:

[Salmoneus]

Nyet.

[qwed117]

Ok, I must be completely misinterpreting your response to this in some way

Was the first phoneme of *invaz(ar) preceded by a consonant in Latin that was later elided? (ie, did invaza come from a word beginning in a consonant)

Those are two different questions!

No, the first phoneme of *invazar was not preceded by a consonant in Latin.

So the segment that *invazar came from must have started with a consonant. Was it from something like vVn-> Vnv, ie, something like vinea -> invea?

[Salmoneus]

Ok, I must be completely misinterpreting your response to this in some way

Was the first phoneme of *invaz(ar) preceded by a consonant in Latin that was later elided? (ie, did invaza come from a word beginning in a consonant)

Those are two different questions!

No, the first phoneme of *invazar was not preceded by a consonant in Latin.

So the segment that *invazar came from must have started with a consonant.

Correct!

To clarify:

- the first phoneme of 'invazar' is /i/. The Latin word does not begin with a consonant followed by /i/.
- it does, however, begin with a consonant.

Was it from something like vVn-> Vnv, ie, something like vinea -> invea?

Well, "something like" is a bit vague, but no, it didn't begin with /v/, and the /nv/ sequence does not reflect original /vVn/.

[qwed117]

ah so it began with some cluster then a vowel? If so, id that

Ok, I must be completely misinterpreting your response to this in some way

Was the first phoneme of *invaz(ar) preceded by a consonant in Latin that was later elided? (ie, did invaza come from a word beginning in a consonant)

Those are two different questions!

No, the first phoneme of *invazar was not preceded by a consonant in Latin.

So the segment that *invazar came from must have started with a consonant.

Correct!

To clarify:

- the first phoneme of 'invazar' is /i/. The Latin word does not begin with a consonant followed by /i/.
- it does, however, begin with a consonant.

How nitpicky is this? [:P] I guess a more fair way of saying this "was the segment from which the <i> in <invaza(r)> comes from succeed a consonant", although that falls in the trap of deciding which segments correspond to what.

Anyways, did the Latin word from which <invazar> have an initial consonant cluster?

[Salmoneus]

It did not.

[All4Ɇn]

Is it from this change: nVv -> nv -> inv ?

[Salmoneus]

Is it from this change: nVv -> nv -> inv ?

Yes!

The /i/ is entirely epenthetic.

[qwed117]

is that missing vowel "o"?

[Salmoneus]

Yes.

[qwed117]

*novacula + are?

So something like "I will stab him" or "I will kill him"?

[All4Ɇn]

*novacula + are?

So something like "I will stab him" or "I will kill him"?

Based on that same etymology, I'm gonna guess "he will shave me"

[Salmoneus]

*novacula + are?

Yes!

Wow, after all the trouble with the initial, I wasn't expecting people to guess the /kul/ > /z/ bit so quickly!

So something like "I will stab him" or "I will kill him"?

No. FWIW, the former is probably a more helpful line of thought than the latter, though.



All4En: also no. Good lateral thinking, though.

[zyma]

So something like "I will stab him" or "I will kill him"?

No. FWIW, the former is probably a more helpful line of thought than the latter, though.

Maybe I'm letting the news influence my thinking here, but is it something like "he will vaccinate me"?