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L'Étranger

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Here's a little prose poem by Charles Baudelaire which might be a good exercise.

:fra: French
— Qui aimes-tu le mieux, homme énigmatique, dis ? ton père, ta mère, ta sœur ou ton frère ?
— Je n’ai ni père, ni mère, ni sœur, ni frère.
— Tes amis ?
— Vous vous servez là d’une parole dont le sens m’est resté jusqu’à ce jour inconnu.
— Ta patrie ?
— J’ignore sous quelle latitude elle est située.
— La beauté ?
— Je l’aimerais volontiers, déesse et immortelle.
— L’or ?
— Je le hais comme vous haïssez Dieu.
— Eh ! qu’aimes-tu donc, extraordinaire étranger ?
— J’aime les nuages... les nuages qui passent… là-bas… les merveilleux nuages !

:usa: English
"Who do you love the most, enigmatic man? Tell me. Your father, your mother, your sister or your brother?"
"I have no father, nor mother, nor sister, nor brother."
"Your friends?"
"You use a word whose meaning, up to today, has been unknown to me."
"Your homeland?"
"I'm unaware of its latitude."
"Beauty?"
"I would love her gladly, a goddess and immortal."
"Gold?"
"I hate it like you hate God."
"Oh! What do you love then, extraordinary stranger?"
"I love the clouds... the clouds that pass... up there... the marvelous clouds!

:con: Sicilian Norman
— Chi tì aimas miuz, ummu nigmatic, dies? Tun peru, ta mera, ta siror, ô tun freru?
— Gio nun ai ni peru, ni mera, ni siror, ni freru.
— Tis amìs?
— Vos sirvissez par ina parola di quei sens m’era, geschi zest gior, discunnì.
— Ta patria?
— Gio nun cunnois en cheḍḍa latitudini si post.
— La bialtè?
— Bien l’amiroa, diguessa et immurtel.
— L’or?
— Gio li gahis cumment vos gahissez Diu.
— Eh! Quei t'aimas dunc, struḍḍinair strangier?
— Gi’aim lus nibrès... lus nibrès chi passa... par loc... lus mirviòs nibrès!

EDIT: Added Dormouse's suggestions on the translations.
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天含青海道。城頭月千里。
/tʰiæn ɣɑm tsʰieŋ.hɑ́i dʱɑ́u ‖ ʑʱeŋ dʱəu ᵑgyæɾ tsʰiæn lí/
The sky swallows the road to Kokonor. On the Great Wall, a thousand miles of moonlight.
—/lí ɣɑ̀/ (李賀), tr. A. C. Graham
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Pāṇini wrote: 01 Aug 2020 20:24 Here's a little prose poem by Charles Baudelaire which might be a good exercise.
Hmm, interesting! It definitely gives one a lot to think about. On the English translation, I think "qu'aimes-tu" should be translated as "what do you love" rather than "who". And the "patrie" exchange is missing.

I hope this isn't the last we see of Sicilian Norman [:)] Looks really neat!



Something to note for those who can't read the French: The questioner addresses the stranger (l'étranger of the title) in familiar terms, like one uses for family and friends. But the stranger addresses the questioner in formal terms.



Image Silvish

« Ki ke t' ama lo myeô, òme sfinksa, dî ? Tyu parï, te marï, te seû ou tyu frarï ?
— Jh' e ne parï, ne marï, ne seû, ne frarï.
— Ti-z ami ?
— Vou vvou sservê lè d' un mô dont avoî d' ao joer d' yu jho konoisso pa lo senso.
— Ta patri ?
— Jho se pa a kinta latetuda k' â se treuva.
— La bravetà ?
— Jho l' amaroi preuf, dyaese e imortala.
— L' ô ?
— Jho l' amo pa, kome vou llyu Bondi.
— Eh ! kin ke t' ama alòra, ettranjhaî ekstrordenèryo ?
— Jh' amo la nnyeula … la nnyeula ki pasön … lyamon … la nnyeula mervilyeuza ! »

Glosses
Spoiler:
« Ki ke t' ama lo myeô, òme sfinksa, dî ? Tyu parï, te marï, te seû ou tyu frarï ?
[ki.kəˈta.ma ləˈmjœː | ˈʔɔ.mə ˈsfɛ̃n.sa | diː | tjyˈpa.ʁi | təˈma.ʁi | təˈsœː | ʔu.tjyˈfʁa.ʁi]
who SBRD 2S love-2S DEF-M.C best | man enigmatic | tell.IMP.2S | 2S-POSS.M.N.ACC father-ACC | 2S-POSS.F.N.ACC mother-ACC | 2S-POSS.F.N.ACC sister.ACC | or 2S-POSS.M.N.ACC brother-ACC

"Who do you love the most, enigmatic man? Tell me. Your father, your mother, your sister or your brother?"

— Jh' e ne parï, ne marï, ne seû, ne frarï.
[ʒe.nəˈpa.ʁi | nəˈma.ʁi | nəˈsœː | nəˈfʁa.ʁi]
1S.NOM have.1S NEG father-ACC | NEG mother-ACC | NEG sister.ACC | NEG brother-ACC

"I have no father, nor mother, nor sister, nor brother."

— Ti-z ami ?
[ti.zaˈmi]
2S-POSS.M.N.ACC-PL friend

"Your friends?"

— Vou vvou sservê lè d' un mô dont avoî d' ao joer d' yu jho konoisso pa lo senso.
[vuv.vus.sɛˈvɛː ˈlɛ dɛ̃ˈmɔː dɔ̃n.taˈvuː dɑˈʒuʁ ˈdjyː ʒo.kŋ̩ˈus.sə ˈpa ləˈsɛ̃n.sə]
2.FORM 2.FORM use-2.FORM there of INDF word of_which until of to_DEF.M day of today 1S.NOM know-1S NEG DEF-M.C.ACC meaning

"You use a word whose meaning, up to today, has been unknown to me."

— Ta patri ?
[ta.paˈtʁi]
2S-POSS.F.C.ACC homeland

"Your homeland?"

— Jho se pa a kinta latetuda k' â se treuva.
[ʒo.səˈpa ʔa.kɛ̃n.ta.la.təˈty.da kɑː.səˈtʁø.va]
1S.NOM know-1S NEG at which-F.C.ACC latitude-ACC SBRD 3S.F.NOM 3S-REFL find-3S

"I don’t know what latitude it lies in."

— La bravetà ?
[la.bravəˈta]
DEF-F.C.ACC beauty.ACC

"Beauty?"

— Jho l' amaroi preuf, dyaese e imortala.
[ʒla.maˈʁu ˈpʁœf | ˈdjɛ.sə ji.mɔˈta.la]
1S.NOM 3S love-COND-1S gladly | goddess-ACC and immortal-F.C.ACC

"I would love her gladly, a goddess and immortal."

— L' ô ?
[lɔː]
DEF gold

"Gold?"

— Jho l' amo pa, kome vou llyu Bondi.
[ˈʒla.mə ˈpa | ko.me.vuʎ.ʎˑy.bɔ̃ˈdi]
1S.NOM 3S love-1S NEG | like 2.FORM DEF-M.N.ACC God-ACC

"I hate it like you hate God."

— Eh ! kin ke t' ama alòra, ettranjhaî ekstrordenèryo ?
[ˈʔɛ | kɛ̃ŋ.kəˈta.ma ʔaˈlɔ.ʁa | ʔɛt.tʁɑ̃ˈʒyː ʔɛs.stʁɔʁ.dŋ̩ˈɛ.ʁjə]
eh | what.M.C SBRD 2S love-2S then | stranger extraordinary-M.N

"Oh! What do you love then, extraordinary stranger?"

— Jh' amo la nnyeula … la nnyeula ki pasön … lyamon … la nnyeula mervilyeuza ! »
[ˈʒa.mə lɑˈɲˑø.la | lɑˈɲˑø.la kiˈpa.sŋ̩ | ʎˑaˈmɔ̃ŋ | lɑˈɲˑø.la mɛʁ.viˈʎˑø.za]
1S.NOM love-1S DEF-F.C.ACC.PL cloud | DEF-F.C.ACC.PL cloud REL-NOM pass-3P | there-above | DEF-F.C.ACC.PL cloud marvelous-F.C

"I love the clouds... the clouds that pass... up there... the marvelous clouds!

Notes and new/rethought vocabulary:
Spoiler:
  • "Enigmatic" (and "enigma") is translated with sfinksa, the word for a riddle.
  • Thanks to its cases, Silvish is more willing to drop parallel verbs and prepositions. So to translate "I hate it like you hate God," the most natural choice is to drop the second "hate". Li Bondyeu "God" is unambiguously declined as the direct object of a verb.
  • There is no single word for "hate". The most common equivalent is pa amâ "not love".
bravetà nfc - beauty (< bravo "beautiful" + -tà nominalizer)
dyaesa nfn - goddess
ekstrordenèryo adj - extraordinary
ettranjhaî / ettranjhairye nmn / nfn - stranger; foreigner
imortalo adj - immortal
latetuda nfc - latitude
sfinksa nfc - riddle, enigma (< sfinkso "sphinx"; gender influenced by displaced devinæta; adjectivally, means "enigmatic")
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Re: L'Étranger

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:con: Yélian
Edit: I omitted an entire paragraph!
»Pe afirtiáverei, broyaliýmalas? Rat iracas. Sao pèno, sao méva, sao nemia ù namo?«
»Cibai pèno, poucibai méva ù nemia ù namo.«
»Sao ifren?«
»Agirei matay vit can rat natubut, na siy yéliun.«
»Sao acadiæsér?«
»Deo vetalinsé pès rat caipradvut.«
»Æ'lendan?«
»Diselivaino pi rat diávervit, a'Licenecolkaprès.«
»U'matir?«
»Rat arasut cet arasei a'devian.«
»Væ! Cubetál, pe iáverei, cilarorceniats o'devian?«
»Iáverai u'triyban... u'triyban vit advidanti... væ vendonais... u'triybævilan!«


Gloss:
Spoiler:
»Pe afirtiáverei, broyaliýmalas? Rat iracas. Sao pèno, sao méva, sao nemia ù namo?«
[pə ˌaːɸɪɾtˈɪ̯aːʋəɾɛɪ̯ ˈbɾoːʃɐˌla̯iːmɐlɐʃ? ɾɐt ɨˈɾaːkɐʃ. saʊ̯ ˈpɛnɔ̈, saʊ̯ ˈmeːʋɐ, saʊ̯ ˈneːmɪ̯ɐ ʉ ˈnaːmɔ̈]
what good.SUP-love[thing]-2SG, man-enigmatic? 1SG.OBL tell-JUS.2SG | 2SG.POSS father, 2SG.POSS mother, 2SG.POSS sister or brother
"Who do you love the most, enigmatic man? Tell me. Your father, your mother, your sister or your brother?"

»Cibai pèno, poucibai méva ù nemia ù namo.«
[kɨˈbaɪ̯ ˈpɛnɔ̈, pɔʊ̯kɨˈbaɪ̯ ˈmeːʋɐ ʉ ˈneːmɪ̯ɐ ʉ ˈnaːmɔ̈]
NEG-have-1SG father, also-NEG-have-1SG mother or sister or brother
"I have no father, nor mother, nor sister, nor brother."

»Sao ifren?«
[saʊ̯ ˈiːɾən]
2SG.POSS friend.PL
"Your friends?

»Agirei matay vit can rat natubut, na siy yéliun.«
[ɐˈxiːɾɛɪ̯ ˈmaːtɐʃ vɨt‿ɐn ɾɐt ˈnaːtʉbʉt, nɐ sa̯iː ˈʃeːlɪ̯ʉn]
use-2SG word REL for 1SG.POSS unknown-COP.3SG.INAN, until today_{}
"You use a word whose meaning, up to today, has been unknown to me."

»Sao acadiæsér?«
[saʊ̯ ɐˈkaːdɪ̯əˌsed̟]
2SG.POSS country-home
"Your home country?"

»Deo vetalinsé pès rat caipradvut.«
[ˈdeː.ɔ̈ ˈveːtɐlɨnˌseː pɛs ɾɐt‿aɪ̯ˈpɾadvʉt]
<REF.OBJ>.POSS INDR 1SG.OBL NEG-know-INV.3SG.INAN
"I'm unaware of it's latitude.

»Æ'lendan?«
[əˈlendɐn]
DEF.CONC=beauty
"Beauty?"

»Diselivaino pi rat diávinit, a'Licenecolkaprès.«
[dɨˈseːlɨʋaɪ̯nɔ̈ pɨ ɾɐ‿ˈdɪ̯aːʋɨnɨt, ɐlɨˈkeːnəˌkolkɐpɾɛs]
COND-wish-COND.INV.1SG that 1SG.OBL COND-love{person}-COND.3SG.ANIM, DEF.ANIM={divine-aspect-of-duality-and-love}-immortal
I would wish for it to be loved by me, the immortal Licene.

»U'matir?«
[ʉˈmaːtɨd̟]
DEF.INAN=gold
"Gold?"

»Rat arasut cet arasei a'devian.«
[ɾɐt ɐˈɾaːsʉt‿ət ɐˈɾaːsɛɪ̯ ɐˈdeːʋɪ̯ɐn]
1SG.OBL hate-INV.3SG.INAN like hate-2SG DEF.ANIM={divine_aspect}-PL
"It's hated by me like you hate the gods."

»Væ! Cubetál, pe iáverei, cilarorceniats o'devian?«
[vœː! kʉbəˈtaːl, pə ˈɪ̯aːʋəɾɛɪ̯, kɨˈlaːɾɔ̈ɾˌkeːnɪ̯ɐt͡s ɔ̈ˈdeːʋɪ̯ɐn]
oh!, but_then, what love-2SG, stranger-unknown DEF.GEN={divine_aspect}-PL
"Oh! Who do you love then, extraordinary stranger?"

»Iáverai u'triyban... u'triyban vit advidanti... væ vendonais... u'triybævilan!«
[ˈɪ̯aːʋəɾaɪ̯ ʉˈtɾa̯iːbɐn... ʉˈtɾa̯iːbɐn vɨt ˌadvɨˈdanti... və ˈvendɔ̈ˌnaɪ̯s... ʉˈtɾa̯iːˌbœʋɨlɐn]
love-1SG DEF.INAN=cloud-PL... DEF.INAN=cloud-PL that pass-3PL... in sky-high... DEF.INAN=cloud-marvelous-PL
"I love the clouds... the clouds that pass... up there... the marvelous clouds!
Some interesting notes about the text:
Spoiler:
Even though Yélian has a formal T-V distinction, it's not used in this text.

The text switches between two words for "to love": "iava" is "to love" for persons, but "iávera" is "to love" for things.

The phrase »Diselivaino pi rat diávinit, a'Licenecolkaprès.« is worth two looks. First, you can see that the English phrase "I would gladly..." comes across rather clunky in Yélian: The phrase diselivaino pi... has to be used, which literally means "I would be gifted with that...". As in another sentence, the main clause is in the inverse mood; in Yélian, whenever the object of a sentence is 3SG and inanimate ("I would love it"), this has to be changed accordingly, because Yélian lacks object inanimate pronouns and therefore the sentence has to be changed so the 1SG is the object: "It would be loved by me". And lastly, I decided to call the "goddess" by her actual name in the Yélian mythology, the goddess Licene, divine aspect of Duality and Love.

"cilarorceniats o'devian" - literally means "the man who is unknown even to the divine aspect" - even though the questioner doesn't seem to believe in God or any gods (according to another sentence), this is such a set phrase that he propably uses it without thinking about it.
New words for this challenge:
Spoiler:
liýmalas [ˈla̯iːmɐlɐʃ] - mysterious, enigmatic, secret
Etymology: from liymul "strange, weird" + the redundant adjectivizer -as

acadiæsér [ɐˈkaːdɪ̯əˌsed̟] - homeland, home country
Etymology: from acadie "country" + asér "home"

vetalinsé [ˈveːtɐlɨnˌseː] - latitude
Etymology: from veta "sea" + linsé "height"; the ancient kingdom of Shelliania was bordered by the ocean on the north and the plain distance to the sea was important.
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Dormouse559 wrote: 02 Aug 2020 07:26 I hope this isn't the last we see of Sicilian Norman [:)] Looks really neat!
I hope so too! Sicilian Norman, natively pateis, is still in its infancy. It's definitely weird. It's a descendant of Old Norman, but under heavy Southern Italian influence due to a bilingual Pateis-Sicilian population.

I really appreciate the suggestions, by the way. I've never really studied French, and I couldn't find a real translation, so I had to make do.
天含青海道。城頭月千里。
/tʰiæn ɣɑm tsʰieŋ.hɑ́i dʱɑ́u ‖ ʑʱeŋ dʱəu ᵑgyæɾ tsʰiæn lí/
The sky swallows the road to Kokonor. On the Great Wall, a thousand miles of moonlight.
—/lí ɣɑ̀/ (李賀), tr. A. C. Graham
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:con: Caelian

"Zan Fanang üvëndar ëbol bye, bordyek lüdmot? Zan Raf Dyong tirraiwy. Bonnuip Zabyeng, mavvui Zabyeng, nommuin Zabyeng ubye nammuin Zabyeng?"
"Rar bonnenglyup, mavvenglyu, nommenglyun ëz nammenglyun bereyöi."
"Hivaruin Zabyeng?"
"Zan matjoz mab, Rahek kyawrom töbyan kyangrënël byü aljaping, bye."
"Agresed Zabyes?"
"Rar vitlosen Tabyas zordos kyangrënël byäi."
"Wanduim?"
"Rar Tang firnat tisüvdir, jäsdestyevëwy më kalkyënëm."
"Gongluiz?"
"Rar Tong ürsil jarsorel josdijewy Zabyer."
"Gosrësët! Pewy Zan Song üvdar bye, bordyek lüdmot?"
"Rar tarübyel juvuder... tarübyel zordagenkyop berjäiz... zordu... tarübyel züngüpat!"

Gloss:
Spoiler:
"Zan Fanang üvëndar ëbol bye, bordyek lüdmot? Zan Raf Dyong tirraiwy. Bonnuip Zabyeng, mavvui Zabyeng, nommuin Zabyeng ubye nammuin Zabyeng?"
[zan βaˈnaŋ yvənˈdaɾ əˈbɔl bʲɛ, bɔɾˈdʲɛk lydˈmɔt? zan raɸ dʲɔŋ tʰiraɪ̯ʋ. bɔˈnuɪ̯p zaˈbʲɛŋ, maˈvuɪ̯ zaˈbʲɛŋ, nɔˈmuɪ̯n zaˈbʲɛŋ uˈbʲɛ naˈmuɪ̯n zaˈbʲɛŋ]
2SG.NOM who-ACC loving.FEM.ELL ELL COP.2SG>3SG, man.NOM strange.MASC.NOM | 2SG.NOM 1SG.DAT DEM.PROX.MASC.ACC tell.1SG>3SG | father.ACC 2SG.GEN>ACC, mother.ACC 2SG.GEN>ACC, brother.ACC 2SG.GEN>ACC or sister.ACC 2SG.GEN>ACC
"Who do you love the most, enigmatic man? Tell me. Your father, your mother, your sister or your brother?"

"Rar bonnenglyup, mavvenglyu, nommenglyun ëz nammenglyun bereyöi."
[ɾah bɔnɛŋˈʎup, mavɛŋˈʎu, nɔmɛŋˈʎun əs namɛŋˈʎun bɛrɛjøɪ̯]
1SG.NOM father.ABE, mother.ABE, brother.ABE and sister.ABE COP.1SG>3PLDEF
"I have no father, nor mother, nor sister, nor brother."

"Hivaruin Zabyeng?"
[hivaˈruɪ̯n zaˈbʲɛŋ]
friend.PL.ACC 2SG.GEN>ACC
Your friends?

"Zan matjoz mab, Rahek kyawrom töbyan kyangrënël byü aljaping, bye."
[zan matˈjɔs mab, raˈhɛk kʲawˈrɔm tʰøˈbʲan kʲaŋrəˈnəl bʲy aljaˈpʰiŋ, bʲɛ]
2SG.NOM word.INST INDEF.FEM.INST, 1SG.BEN meaning.INST REL.GEN knowledge.ADE COP.3SG>1SG today.TERM, COP.2SG>3SG
"You use a word whose meaning, up to today, has been unknown to me.

"Agresed Zabyes?"
[agrɛˈʒɛd saˈbʲɛʃ]
land.DER 2SG.GEN>DER
"Your land you originate from?"

"Rar vitlosen Tabyas zordos kyangrënël byäi."
[rah vitlɔˈʒɛn tʰaˈbʲaʃ zɔɾˈdɔʃ kʲaŋrəˈnəl bʲæɪ̯]
1SG.NOM latitude.SUBL 3SG.FEM.GEN>SUBL about knowledge.ABE COP.1SG>3SG
"I'm without knowledge about its latitude."

"Wanduim?"
[wanˈduɪ̯m]
beauty.ACC
"Beauty?"

"Rar Tang firnat tisüvdir, jäsdestyevëwy më kalkyënëm."
[rah tʰaŋ βiɾˈnat tʰiʃyfˈdiɾ, jæʃdɛʃtʲɛˈvəʋ mə kʰalkʲəˈnəm]
1SG.NOM 3SG.FEM.ACC gladly COND.PST-love.1SG>3SG, god.FEM.DEM.VOC2 INDEF.FEM.VOC death.ABE
"I would have loved her gladly, the goddess without death".

"Gongluiz?"
[gɔŋˈluɪ̯s]
gold.NOM
"Gold?"

"Rar Tong ürsil jarsorel josdijewy Zabyer."
[rah tʰɔŋ yɾˈʒil jaɾʒɔˈɾɛl jɔʃˈdɪ̯ɛʋ zaˈbʲɛɾ]
1SG.NOM 3SG.MASC.ACC hate.1SG>3SG hate.EQU god.GEN 2SG.GEN>EQU
"I hate it, equally to your hate of god."

"Gosrësët! Pewy Zan Song üvdar bye, bordyek lüdmot?"
[gɔʃrəˈʒət! pʰɛʋ zan ʒɔŋ yfˈdaɾ bʲɛ, bɔɾˈdʲɛk lydˈmɔt]
oh! then 2SG.NOM what.ACC loving.FEM COP.2SG>3SG, man.NOM strange.MASC
"Oh! What do you love then, extraordinary stranger?"

"Rar tarübyel juvuder... tarübyel zordagenkyop berjäiz... zordu... tarübyel züngüpat!"
[rah taryˈbʲɛl juvuˈdɛɾ, tʰaryˈbʲɛl zɔɾdagɛŋˈkʲɔp bɛɾˈjæɪ̯s... zɔɾˈdu... tʰaryˈbʲɛl zyŋyˈpʰat]
1SG.NOM cloud.PLDEF love.1SG>3PLDEF... cloud.PLDEF moving.PERL.ALL COP.3PLDEF>3SG... above... cloud.PLDEF marvelous.FEM.PLDEF
""I love the clouds... the clouds that pass... up there... the marvelous clouds!"
I followed the convention that Dormouse described here: The questioner addresses the stranger in familiar terms (i.e. using nominative forms), while the stranger replies in the very formal 2nd vocative.
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Re: L'Étranger

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> "Kayan day mēthi nāmi, gugudhanphātā virasyē? Hrītari ner. Deye pīter, deya maytaran, deya wāsan ram deye frāthe?"
> "Nēgas ēku ēyeme sē pīter, sā maytaran, sīn waysan mū sīn frāthen."
> "Deyva khayren?"
> "Yāne veles dhre hrītame sē ūrdhe, they pamjancan aynī ner ēsme hemur vayime entī șesūyāhe."
> "Deykhā pātharim?"
> "Nēgas ēku waytheme jaye așānse."
> "Wēcan?"
> "Jā nayāmay ēku, sā nēșetīrpa hēran."
> "Pūti?"
> "Hā kādhas ēku, dēn yāne kaydhes Hēran."
> "Awu! Ērpi nāmi kesē day, tutusākar khēlinē?"
> "Nāmas ēku fē ārunan... treypay pēnyeme thanē ārunan... kāpu... fē ārunan mi șajanweldūn!"


Two notes in order to understand the text: as in the original, the questioner uses familiar language, even though he uses the formal honorative 2sg pronoun day. The stranger, however, uses the vocative form of the masculine 2sg pronoun, yāne. The correct way of approaching someone is its own chapter in Paatherye.
Also interesting: If you take a very close look at the IPA, you will see that even though both participants use the same language, the pronunciation is very much different: The questioner uses the standard vernacular pronunciation, while the stranger uses the very formal High Elfish pronunciation. I will soon create a blogpost over this.
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"Kayan day mēthi nāmi, gugudhanphātā virasyē? Hrītari ner. Deye pīter, deya maytaran, deya wāsan ram deye frāthe?"
[kaɪ̯n daɪ̯ ˈmosi naːm, ɣuɣusanˈɸaːtaː ˈvrasjo? ˈhriːtaɾ neɾ | daʊ̯ ˈpiːtəɾ, daʊ̯a maɪ̯ˈtaɾn, daʊ̯a ˈwaːsan ram daʊ̯ fraˈs↗︎]
who.ACC 2SG.HON.NOM most love-2SG.HON, enigmatic.VOC.MASC man.VOC? tell.IMP.2SG.HON 1SG.DAT | 2SG.HON.GEN.MASC.ACC father.ACC, 2SG.HON.GEN.FEM.ACC mother.ACC, 2SG.HON.GEN.FEM.ACC sister.ACC or 2SG.HON.GEN.MASC.ACC brother.ACC
"Who do you love the most, enigmatic man? Tell me. Your father, your mother, your sister or your brother?"

"Nēgas ēku ēyeme sē pīter, sā maytaran, sīn waysan mū sīn frāthen."
[neːɣas ˈeːku ˈeːjeme seː ˈpiːteɾ, saː maɪ̯ˈtaran, siːn ˈwaɪ̯san muː siːn ˈfraːtʰen]
NEG.1SG 1SG.NOM have.INF INDEF.MASC.ACC father.ACC, INDEF.FEM.ACC mother.ACC, INDEF.PL.ACC sister.PL.ACC or INDEF.PL.ACC brother.PL.ACC
"I have no father, nor mother, nor sister, nor brother."

"Deyva khayren?"
[daʊ̯v ˈxaɪ̯ɾən]
2SG.GEN.PL.ACC friend.PL.ACC
"Your friends?"

"Yāne veles dhre hrītame sē ūrdhe, they pamjancan aynī ner ēsme hemur vayime entī șesūyāhe."
[ˈjaːne ˈveles ðɾe ˈhɾiːtame seː ˈuːɾðe, tʰei̯ pamˈd͡ʒant͡san ˈai̯niː neɾ ˈeːsme ˈhemuɾ ˈva.ime ˈentiː ʃesuːˈjaːhe]
2SG.MASC.VOC AUX.INCH.2SG.MASC from say.INF INDEF.MASC.ACC word.ACC, REL.MASC.INAN.GEN meaning.ACC NEG.OPT.3SG.MASC 1SG.DAT COP.INF possible understand.INF until today.ALL
"You use a word whose meaning, up to today, has been unknown to me."

"Deykhā pātharim?"
[ˈdaʊ̯xaː paːˈsaɾm]
2SG.HON.GEN.PL.ALL father.ALL
"Your homeland?"

"Nēgas ēku waytheme jaye așānse."
[ˈneːɣas ˈeːku ˈwai̯tʰeme ˈd͡ʒaje aˈʃaːnse]
NEG.1SG 1SG.NOM know.INF 3SG.MASC.GEN>MASC.ACC latitude.ACC
"I'm unaware of its latitude."

"Wēcan?"
[ˈwot͡san]
beauty.ACC
"Beauty?"

"Jā nayāmay ēku, sā nēșetīrpa hēran."
[d͡ʒaː naˈjaːmai̯ ˈeːku, saː neːʃeˈtiːɾpa ˈheːran]
3SG.FEM.ACC love.OPT.FUT.1SG 1SG.NOM, INDEF.FEM.ACC immortal.FEM.ACC god.ACC
"I would love her gladly, a goddess and immortal."

"Pūti?"
[ˈpuːt]
gold.ACC
"Gold?"

"Hā kādhas ēku, dēn yāne kaydhes Hēran."
[haː ˈkaːðas ˈeːku, ðeːn ˈjaːne ˈkai̯ðes ˈheːran]
3SG.MASC.ACC hate.1SG 1SG.NOM, like 2SG.MASC.VOC hate.2SG god.ACC
I hate it like you hate god.

"Awu! Ērpi nāmi kesē day, tutusākar khēlinē?"
[aʊ̯! oɾp naːm kso daɪ̯, tutuˈsaːkaɾ xoˈlino]
oh! then love.2SG.HON what.ACC 2SG.HON.NOM, extraordinary.MASC.VOC stranger.MASC.VOC
"Oh! What do you love then, extraordinary stranger?"

"Nāmas ēku fē ārunan... treypay pēnyeme thanē ārunan... kāpu... fē ārunan mi șajanweldūn!"
[ˈnaːmas ˈeːku feː aːˈrunan... ˈtɾei̯pai̯ ˈpeːnjeme ˈtʰaneː aːˈrunan... ˈkaːpu... feː aːˈrunan mi ʃad͡ʒanwelˈðuːn]
love-1SG 1SG.NOM DEF.PL.ACC cloud.PL.ACC... HAB.3PL pass.INF REL.INAN.PL.ACC cloud.PL.ACC... above... DEF.PL.ACC cloud.PL.ACC DEF.FEM.ABL wonder.ABL
"I love the clouds... the clouds that pass by... above... the clouds of wonder!
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ऊरधु ūrdhu - word
Etymology: from PIE *werdʰh₁om "word"

पंज़च​ pamjanca - meaning
Etymology: from pamjanme "to mean" + noun suffix -ca, itself derived from pamju "finger" + causative infix -jan-

अषा़से așānse - latitude
Etymology: from Bengali অক্ষাংশ akṣānśa - latitude

नोषेतिरप nēșetīrpa - immortal
Etymology: from the prefixes nē- "negative prefix" + șe- "-ly" + tīrpame "to die"

होड़​ hēra - god, goddess
Etymology: from PIE *h2r-tós "perfect, right, true, fit"

पूति pūti - gold
Etymology: from PIE *pótis "owner, master, lord"

tusākar - extraordinary
Etymology: from the prefix: tu- "extra; exceeding" + stākar "the most normal, the ordinary; usually"
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Re: L'Étranger

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:con: Rireinutire

~ ta yokuna ñami ramakayo· supeñara kave': maha suno': tano au emona· au timana· au nenena· au ninina:
~ ñau emona ukaseva· ñau timana· ñau nenena· ñau ninina:
~ tano merona:
~ ta kaki sunena nekava sakino kunusa sipayura sati maha iñananu yakava:
~ tano emoratona:
~ sano ravenasana nanakaseva:
~ yayaruna:
~ hana meiti ramakahuva· to hasena to siisanopona:
~ tarena:
~ sana vihukava ku ta hasena vihukave:
~ aa: ta to yokina ramakayo· iñakañohipe yika':
~ pivena ramakava··· kaki pivena saki mikava··· saha rahoha··· hiyehipe pivena::

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~ ta yokuna ñami ramakayo· supeñara kave': maha suno': tano au emona· au timana· au nenena· au ninina:
/tɑ ˈjokunɑ ˈŋɑmi ˈɹɑmɑkɑjo | ˈsupeˌŋɑɹɑ ˈkɑveʔ || ˈmɑhɑ ˈsunoʔ || ˈtɑno ɑu ˈemonɑ | ɑu ˈtimɑnɑ | ɑu ˈnenenɑ | ɑu ˈnininɑ/
ta yoku-na ñami rama-ka-yo | supeñara kave-' || ma-ha suno-' || ta-no au emo-na | au tima-na | au nene-na | au nini-na ||
2S.NOM who.Q-PTV most love-PRS-Q | enigmatic woman-VOC || 1S-ADE tell-IMP || 2S-GEN xor birthmother-PTV | xor comother-PTV | xor birthsister-PTV | xor cosister-PTV ||

Who do you love the most, enigmatic woman? Tell me. Your birthmother, your comother, your birthsister or your cosister?

~ ñau emona ukaseva· ñau timana· ñau nenena· ñau ninina:
/ŋɑu ˈemonɑ ˈukɑˌsevɑ | ŋɑu ˈtimɑnɑ | ŋɑu ˈnenenɑ | ŋɑu ˈnininɑ/
ñau emo-na u-ka-se-va | ñau tima-na | ñau nene-na | ñau nini-na ||
nor birthmother-PTV have-PRS-NEG-SENS | nor comother-PTV | nor birthsister-PTV | nor cosister-PTV ||

I have no birthmother, nor comother, nor birthsister, nor cosister.

~ tano merona:
/ˈtɑno ˈmeɹonɑ/
ta-no mero-na ||
2S-GEN friend-PTV ||

Your friends?

~ ta kaki sunena nekava sakino kunusa sipayura sati maha iñananu yakava:
/tɑ ˈkɑki ˈsunenɑ ˈnekɑvɑ ˈsɑkino ˈkunusɑ ˈsipɑjuɹɑ ˈsɑti ˈmɑhɑ ˈiŋɑˌnɑnu ˈjɑkɑvɑ/
ta kaki sune-na ne-ka-va saki-no kunusa sipayu-ra sati ma-ha iña-nanu ya-ka-va ||
2S.NOM which.REL word-PTV use-PRS-SENS that-GEN meaning.NOM today-INE up.to 1S-ADE NEG-familiar be-PRS-SENS ||

You use a word whose meaning, up to today, has been unknown to me.

~ tano emoratona:
/ˈtɑno ˈemoˌɹɑtonɑ/
ta-no emo-rato-na ||
2S-GEN mother-land-PTV ||

Your homeland?

~ sano ravenasana nanakaseva:
/ˈsɑno ˈɹɑveˌnɑsɑnɑ ˈnɑnɑkɑˌsevɑ/
sa-no rave-nasa-na nana-ka-se-va ||
3S.IN-GEN wide-circle-PTV know-PRS-NEG-SENS ||

I'm unaware of its latitude.

~ yayaruna:
/ˈjɑjɑɹunɑ/
yaya-ru-na ||
beautiful-NMZ-PTV ||

Beauty?

~ hana meiti ramakahuva· to hasena to siisanopona:
/ˈhɑnɑ ˈmeiti ˈɹɑmɑkɑhuvɑ | to ˈhɑsenɑ to ˈsiːsɑˌnoponɑ/
ha-na mei-ti rama-ka-hu-va | to hase-na to siisanopo-na ||
3S.R-PTV glad-ADVZ love-PRS-SBJV-SENS | and goddess-PTV and immortal-PTV ||

I would love her gladly, a goddess and immortal.

~ tarena:
/ˈtɑɹenɑ/
tare-na ||
gold-PTV ||

Gold?

~ sana vihukava ku ta hasena vihukave:
/ˈsɑnɑ ˈvihukɑvɑ ku tɑ ˈhɑsenɑ ˈvihukɑve/
sa-na vihu-ka-va ku ta hase-na vihu-ka-ve ||
3S.IN-PTV hate-PRS-SENS like.CONJ 2S.NOM goddess-PTV hate-PRS-HSY ||

I hate it like you hate God.

~ aa: ta to yokina ramakayo· iñakañohipe yika':
/ɑː || tɑ to ˈjokinɑ ˈɹɑmɑkɑjo | ˈiŋɑˌkɑŋoˌhipe ˈjikɑʔ/
aa || ta to yoki-na rama-ka-yo | iñakañohipe yika-' ||
oh.I || 2S.NOM also what.Q-PTV love-PRS-Q | extraordinary stranger-VOC ||

Oh! What do you love then, extraordinary stranger?

~ pivena ramakava··· kaki pivena saki mikava··· saha rahoha··· hiyehipe pivena::
/ˈpivenɑ ˈɹɑmɑkɑvɑ | ˈkɑki ˈpivenɑ ˈsɑki ˈmikɑvɑ | ˈsɑhɑ ˈɹɑhohɑ | ˈhijeˌhipe ˈpivenɑ/
pive-na rama-ka-va | kaki pive-na saki mi-ka-va | saha rahoha | hiye-hipe pive-na ||
cloud-PTV love-PRS-SENS | which.REL cloud-PTV that.NOM move-PRS-SENS | there.ADV up.ADV | marvel-ADJZ cloud-PTV ||

I love the clouds... the clouds that pass... up there... the marvelous clouds!
Since Rireinutire lacks the T-V distinction, the only remaining clue that the questioner considers herself senior to her interlocutor is in the first line, when the questioner uses peremptory imperative maha suno' (1S-ADE tell-IMP) instead of polite imperative ta maha sunoka' (2S.NOM 1S-ADE tell-PRS-IMP).

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prettydragoon wrote: 06 Sep 2023 14:48 Translation challenge 100/100
And this makes prettydragoon and Rireinturie the very first ones to complete my translation challenge! Congrats!!!

I'm still lagging behind at 22% 21.5%...
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Üdj wrote: 06 Sep 2023 15:52
prettydragoon wrote: 06 Sep 2023 14:48 Translation challenge 100/100
And this makes prettydragoon and Rireinturie the very first ones to complete my translation challenge! Congrats!!!
Wow! Congratulations to prettydragoon!
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Üdj wrote: 06 Sep 2023 15:52
prettydragoon wrote: 06 Sep 2023 14:48 Translation challenge 100/100
And this makes prettydragoon and Rireinutire the very first ones to complete my translation challenge! Congrats!!!
Khemehekis wrote: 07 Sep 2023 01:50 Wow! Congratulations to prettydragoon!
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Üdj wrote: 06 Sep 2023 15:52 I'm still lagging behind at 22% 21.5%...
This is not a speed competition. I kept telling myself that but I just wouldn't listen.
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prettydragoon wrote: 07 Sep 2023 15:52
Üdj wrote: 06 Sep 2023 15:52
prettydragoon wrote: 06 Sep 2023 14:48 Translation challenge 100/100
And this makes prettydragoon and Rireinutire the very first ones to complete my translation challenge! Congrats!!!
Khemehekis wrote: 07 Sep 2023 01:50 Wow! Congratulations to prettydragoon!
Eee! ute earo: Thank you!
Üdj wrote: 06 Sep 2023 15:52 I'm still lagging behind at 22% 21.5%...
This is not a speed competition. I kept telling myself that but I just wouldn't listen.
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And sorry for misspelling Rireinturie Rireinutire. That was entirely on me. I seem to have a knack for mixing up letters. (cf. "Reyzardren")
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Üdj wrote: 07 Sep 2023 16:27
And sorry for misspelling Rireinturie Rireinutire. That was entirely on me. I seem to have a knack for mixing up letters. (cf. "Reyzardren")
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Hwae gis tha liste mest, feʒ man? Tal us, tha father? Tha mither? Tha sister, els tha brither?
/ʍɛa̯ cɪs θə lɪst mɛst fɛi̯ man | tʰal əs θə ˈfaθər θə ˈmɪθər θə ˈsɪstər ɛls θə ˈprɪθər/
who AUX.PRS.2SG 2SG love most strange person | tell 1PL.OBL 2SG.OBL father 2SG.OBL mother 2SG.OBL sister or 2SG.OBL brother

Ʒ'ha inn father, ans mither, ans sister, ans brither.
/ça (ɪ)n ˈfaθər ans ˈmɪθər ans ˈsɪstər ans ˈprɪθər/
1SG=have NEG.DET father nor mother nor sister nor brother

Tha winner?
/θə ˈwɪnər/
2SG.OBL friend-PL

Tha has en ord at's marcing ʒ'hack fram til idaw scild.
/θa (ha)s ən ɒrt ats ˈmarcɪŋ çak fram tʰɪl ɪˈtɒː scɪlt/
2SG has-PRS.2SG IDEF word REL=POSS meaning 1SG=have=NEG up_until today understand-PST.PART

Tha hemland?
/θə ˈheːmˌlant/
2SG.OBL homeland

Ʒe gʒark witte hwilk klime at is in.
/jə cark wɪt ʍɪlk kʰlɛi̯m ət ɪs ɪn/
1SG AUX.PRS-NEG know which clime 3NSG be.PRS.3 in

Fairness?
/ˈfeːrnɪs/
beauty

Ʒe scild liste hen freeliʒ, ei githess oʒ oudothliʒ.
/jə scɪlt lɪst ən ˈfrɪə̯li | ə ˈcɪθəs ɒ uˈtɒθli/
1SG would love 3FSG.OBL free-ADV | IDEF goddess and un-death-ADV

Guld?
/kʊlt/
gold

Ʒe het at sam at tha hets Guth.
/jə hɛt ət sam ə θa hɛts kʊθ/
1SG hate 3NSG like REL 2SG hate-PRS.2SG God

O? Hwat gis tha liste syne, guith fremmen?
/ɒ ʍat cɪs θə lɪst sɛɪ̯n cʏə̯θ frɛmən/
INTJ what AUX.PRS.2SG 2SG love then good stranger

Ʒe list the scyer.... the scyer at gang... up thar... the scyer fantastisc!!
/jə lɪst θə scɛɪ̯ər θə scɛɪ̯ər ə kaŋk ʊp θar θə scɛɪ̯ər fanˈtʰastɪsc/
1SG love DEF cloud-PL | DEF cloud-PL REL travel up there | DEF cloud-PL fantastic
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