Popping in to say that my translation actually ended up a bit shorter than yours! It’s 122 words in total.Salmoneus wrote: ↑23 Aug 2020 19:02 So I'd guess, assuming that Click translated rather literally, the Old Wenthish text probably added around 15-20 words of bloat to the Ring 1 torch. Although, to be fair, some of the bloat was of a kind that there'd be a high probability of a later translator cutting back out!
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The Bokisig text that I received had 75 words, and my English translation of it had 138 words. The Ronc Tyu text I sent on had 190 words, and my English translation of it had 217 words. So it seems I alone added 80 words, or more than 50% of the length of the previous text. However...
Part of the increase is because I did not translate very literally, but adapted the text to make sense within my conculture, which included a small amount of semantic elaboration. But the larger part is probably due to the fact that Ronc Tyu uses lots of serial verb constructions (SVC), so in order to get an idiomatic Ronc Tyu sentence, you basically always have to add a few words even if the rest of the sentence may turn out structurally similar to English. And my English back-translation reflects that. (Many of these SVC could be suitably translated as a single English verb in the next round, reducing the wordcount again, but for that you need to translate rather loosely, and apparently that's not what happened here.)
By the way, if you count syllables, the Bokisig text (220) is actually longer than the Ronc Tyu text (199)!
(But not if you count segments, admittedly: 489 vs. 553)
Part of the increase is because I did not translate very literally, but adapted the text to make sense within my conculture, which included a small amount of semantic elaboration. But the larger part is probably due to the fact that Ronc Tyu uses lots of serial verb constructions (SVC), so in order to get an idiomatic Ronc Tyu sentence, you basically always have to add a few words even if the rest of the sentence may turn out structurally similar to English. And my English back-translation reflects that. (Many of these SVC could be suitably translated as a single English verb in the next round, reducing the wordcount again, but for that you need to translate rather loosely, and apparently that's not what happened here.)
By the way, if you count syllables, the Bokisig text (220) is actually longer than the Ronc Tyu text (199)!
(But not if you count segments, admittedly: 489 vs. 553)
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@Frislander Just want to let you know in advance that I will definitely be behind schedule by at least a couple of days. Right now I'm trying to make sense of the Dánıdoo text and get it parsed into English. Sorry for the inconvenience!
ngąxayo peřwa a nałatą zehą, Irkąlą a tinąk a pehenątą zehą; nał a zehą, xąnituhąpąkałąpą he xąhatunąhąx; dą a zehą, xąnihąhaningnumąnwąpąnawe; nał a zehą, tan tukuhoyohoyopąnawe henąngahenąngatą a pwązi...
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Just another update, I am done with the grammar and am doing the dictionary as I go along in my translation of the text, which is about halfway done. I am almost there
ngąxayo peřwa a nałatą zehą, Irkąlą a tinąk a pehenątą zehą; nał a zehą, xąnituhąpąkałąpą he xąhatunąhąx; dą a zehą, xąnihąhaningnumąnwąpąnawe; nał a zehą, tan tukuhoyohoyopąnawe henąngahenąngatą a pwązi...
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I, the almighty Dzêta, would like to request to sign up for this here relay ever so kindly as I re-emerge from the bush after two months. Thank you.
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No problem! There's two options really: You can join Ring 2 by asking Linguifex to forward you their torch or join Ring 1 and wait for it to get to you :)DzêtaRedfang wrote: ↑30 Aug 2020 23:41 I, the almighty Dzêta, would like to request to sign up for this here relay ever so kindly as I re-emerge from the bush after two months. Thank you.
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terram impūram incolāmus
hamteu un mont sug
let us live in a dirty world
hamteu un mont sug
let us live in a dirty world
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Hooray!! Torch sent!
ngąxayo peřwa a nałatą zehą, Irkąlą a tinąk a pehenątą zehą; nał a zehą, xąnituhąpąkałąpą he xąhatunąhąx; dą a zehą, xąnihąhaningnumąnwąpąnawe; nał a zehą, tan tukuhoyohoyopąnawe henąngahenąngatą a pwązi...
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Received!
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I didn’t see this as I was not tagged. I will send it today.
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CC = Common Caber
CK = Classical Khaya
CT = Classical Ĝare n Tim Ar
Kg = Kgáweq'
PB = Proto-Beheic
PO = Proto-O
PTa = Proto-Taltic
STK = Sisỏk Tlar Kyanà
Tm = Təmattwəspwaypksma
AVDIO · VIDEO · DISCO
CC = Common Caber
CK = Classical Khaya
CT = Classical Ĝare n Tim Ar
Kg = Kgáweq'
PB = Proto-Beheic
PO = Proto-O
PTa = Proto-Taltic
STK = Sisỏk Tlar Kyanà
Tm = Təmattwəspwaypksma
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No worries—I always forget you can tag people by quoting them.
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hamteu un mont sug
let us live in a dirty world
hamteu un mont sug
let us live in a dirty world
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Oh, also Linguifex can you now send me your English, given that you're no longer the last in your ring?
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When I get on the computer in the next few hours I will send it. Today has been trying for my health.
Twin Aster megathread
AVDIO · VIDEO · DISCO
CC = Common Caber
CK = Classical Khaya
CT = Classical Ĝare n Tim Ar
Kg = Kgáweq'
PB = Proto-Beheic
PO = Proto-O
PTa = Proto-Taltic
STK = Sisỏk Tlar Kyanà
Tm = Təmattwəspwaypksma
AVDIO · VIDEO · DISCO
CC = Common Caber
CK = Classical Khaya
CT = Classical Ĝare n Tim Ar
Kg = Kgáweq'
PB = Proto-Beheic
PO = Proto-O
PTa = Proto-Taltic
STK = Sisỏk Tlar Kyanà
Tm = Təmattwəspwaypksma
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Whatever it may be, I hope you get well soon.
ngąxayo peřwa a nałatą zehą, Irkąlą a tinąk a pehenątą zehą; nał a zehą, xąnituhąpąkałąpą he xąhatunąhąx; dą a zehą, xąnihąhaningnumąnwąpąnawe; nał a zehą, tan tukuhoyohoyopąnawe henąngahenąngatą a pwązi...
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I’ve sent the torch but the English will have to wait until I get back from the doctor. I’m using mobile currently so I have no access to the English.
Twin Aster megathread
AVDIO · VIDEO · DISCO
CC = Common Caber
CK = Classical Khaya
CT = Classical Ĝare n Tim Ar
Kg = Kgáweq'
PB = Proto-Beheic
PO = Proto-O
PTa = Proto-Taltic
STK = Sisỏk Tlar Kyanà
Tm = Təmattwəspwaypksma
AVDIO · VIDEO · DISCO
CC = Common Caber
CK = Classical Khaya
CT = Classical Ĝare n Tim Ar
Kg = Kgáweq'
PB = Proto-Beheic
PO = Proto-O
PTa = Proto-Taltic
STK = Sisỏk Tlar Kyanà
Tm = Təmattwəspwaypksma
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Very late to the game, but I'd like to join if there is still space? I will use Common Dilmunidic, my latest conlang which I have been sketching and could do with some impetus to flesh it out. Thanks!
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Just realised I haven't posted that I've received the torch, so yes, I have received the torch.
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Absolutely! In the interest of time, do you mind being added to Ring 2?
terram impūram incolāmus
hamteu un mont sug
let us live in a dirty world
hamteu un mont sug
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