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qwed117 wrote: 02 Nov 2020 05:02
shimobaatar wrote: 02 Nov 2020 04:59
qwed117 wrote: 02 Nov 2020 04:34 does *te come from *tuz-?
[cross] No, but you're very much on the right track!
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shimobaatar wrote: 02 Nov 2020 02:28 I've tried to summarize everything that's been established so far below. Please let me know if I should give some kind of hint.

"Word": teketting ef welledges
IPA: [təˈkʰɛtɨ̃ŋ əv ˈwɛɫˌʔɛd͡ʒəs]
  • A noun phrase.
  • The "Xing of Y-Zs", roughly, where X is a verb and Y and Z are nouns.
teketting
  • The first syllable is not descended from Proto-Germanic *ta.
  • The suffix -ing is used to form gerunds/verbal nouns.
  • The root of the verb is -ket(t)-, and its ancestor in Proto-Germanic began with *k.
  • te- is a prefix. The primary reconstructed meaning of the Proto-Germanic prefix from which it is descended has more to do with a state of being than motion or location.
ef
  • Corresponds to "of" in English.
welledges
  • A compound of two nouns, well and edges.
  • The suffix -(e)s indicates plurality.
  • The Proto-Germanic ancestor of edges began with a vowel.
Did the verb root in PG include a *t?
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Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs 2

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The verb isn't *kutjana, is it?
If so, does the whole thing [i.e. the first word] mean "cutting apart" or "cutting to pieces" or the like?
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Creyeditor wrote: 02 Nov 2020 14:43 Did the verb root in PG include a *t?
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Salmoneus wrote: 02 Nov 2020 14:49 The verb isn't *kutjana, is it?
If so, does the whole thing [i.e. the first word] mean "cutting apart" or "cutting to pieces" or the like?
[tick] It is. There's something more specific that I had in mind, but "cutting apart, cutting into pieces" also works, I'd say.
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It's a long shot, I know, but someone has to try it: does the phrase mean "the cutting up of the edges of wells"?
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Salmoneus wrote: 02 Nov 2020 20:31 It's a long shot, I know, but someone has to try it: does the phrase mean "the cutting up of the edges of wells"?
edges is indeed equivalent in etymology and, generally, in meaning to English "edges", although in this context, "edges" wouldn't be my first choice as a translation. well and English "well", however, are false cognates.
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Is it (=the first member of the compound noun) derived from Latin vallum?
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Creyeditor wrote: 03 Nov 2020 09:52 Is it (=the first member of the compound noun) derived from Latin vallum?
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Did the first member of the compound start with *w in PG?
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Creyeditor wrote: 03 Nov 2020 19:43 Did the first member of the compound start with *w in PG?
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Really wild guess, is the origin of the word that becomes *well *wadilã ‘ford’? If so does it refer to shorelines, making the entire phrase “teketting ef welledges” referring to continental drift, “the splitting of coast-lines”?
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twice-broken meaning split is real nice (if that's what it means.)
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qwed117 wrote: 06 Nov 2020 16:51 Really wild guess, is the origin of the word that becomes *well *wadilã ‘ford’?
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qwed117 wrote: 06 Nov 2020 16:51 If so does it refer to shorelines, making the entire phrase “teketting ef welledges” referring to continental drift, “the splitting of coast-lines”?
[cross] Very interesting guess, though!
jimydog000 wrote: 06 Nov 2020 17:04 twice-broken meaning split is real nice (if that's what it means.)
I'd recommend interpreting teketting as "cutting into pieces, ruining/destroying by cutting" rather than "cutting twice, cutting in two".
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So many things it could be hmm. Does the *e in *well come from a front monophthong?
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qwed117 wrote: 09 Nov 2020 03:05 So many things it could be hmm. Does the *e in *well come from a front monophthong?
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shimobaatar wrote: 09 Nov 2020 03:43
qwed117 wrote: 09 Nov 2020 03:05 So many things it could be hmm. Does the *e in *well come from a front monophthong?
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Did it come from a monophthong at all?
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Creyeditor wrote: 09 Nov 2020 06:57 Did it come from a monophthong at all?
[tick] It did.
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Was it a back non-low vowel?
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Creyeditor wrote: 09 Nov 2020 13:34 Was it a back non-low vowel?
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Was it a low vowel?
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