Did the PG root that became rą́ng include any *r at all?
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Nope!
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Sorry, I think I missed this one: no, it's not a noun.
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Much as I'd like to keep the confusion going, I feel I have to clarify my earlier response to this: when I said 'yes', what I meant was that that subdivision was right in a way that your previous subdivision was wrong. I didn't mean to say that it was in fact entirely correct.Creyeditor wrote: ↑12 Dec 2020 22:07Is it rą́ng-ong?
Oh darn it, I can't find a way to be cryptic so I'll just say it: you put the hyphen in the right place, but there should be an extra hyphen.
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Sorry for the confusion . . . I meant the root of rą́ng.Salmoneus wrote: ↑14 Dec 2020 12:42Which root - of the first element or the second?Khemehekis wrote: ↑14 Dec 2020 00:39 Was the Proto-Germanic root something with a W in its onset, like *þwinganą or *wrangaz?
But this is a rhetorical question, since the answer would be 'no' in either case.
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Did the rą́ng part include any coronal non-nasal continuant (*l,*r,*s,*θ,*z,*j) in the PG form?
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Did it start with such a sound? And if yes, was it a coronal fricative?
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It did not.
[although, to be clear, I'm not aware of there being a Proto-Germanic form corresponding to this compound. But the putative form would not have begun with such a consonant, no]
[although, to be clear, I'm not aware of there being a Proto-Germanic form corresponding to this compound. But the putative form would not have begun with such a consonant, no]
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I've tried to summarize everything that's been confirmed so far. Please let me know if I've missed anything or misinterpreted any of the responses.
Anyway, if blądha is derived from a Proto-Germanic word beginning with *b-, but not *bl-, did the word in question begin with *br-, or just *bV-?
rą́ngongblądha
rą́ngong
Anyway, if blądha is derived from a Proto-Germanic word beginning with *b-, but not *bl-, did the word in question begin with *br-, or just *bV-?
rą́ngongblądha
- rą́ngong + blądha
- Not a verb, noun, or adjective.
- Likely does not have a one-word English translation.
- An equivalent of this compound is not reconstructed for Proto-Germanic.
rą́ngong
- Can be further subdivided as rą́ng-ong. However, "there should be an extra hyphen".
- -ong can be thought of, at least for the purposes of this word, "as a gerund or verbal noun deriver".
- rą́ng is not derived from a word beginning with *r-, *w-, or *Cw- in Proto-Germanic.
- The Proto-Germanic word ancestral to rą́ng did not contain *r.
- The Proto-Germanic word ancestral to rą́ng contained, but did not begin with, at least one of *l, *s, *θ, *z, *j.
- Not derived from *blandijaną, *blandaną, *bladą, or *blauþijaną.
- Derived from a word beginning with *b-, but not *bl-, in Proto-Germanic.
- Not derived from a word beginning with *w- or *Cw- in Proto-Germanic.
- No syllables have been elided between <bl->.
- <ą> does not reflect a historically nasalized vowel here.
- Final <-a> represents [ə].
- <-dh-> represents [ð] and corresponds to a single phoneme in Proto-Germanic.
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Yes, I think that's right.
To answer your question: the 'bladha' element descends from a PGmc word beginning in *bV-
To answer your question: the 'bladha' element descends from a PGmc word beginning in *bV-
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Thank you!
Is the <bl-> in blądha the result of metathesis? In other words, did the Proto-Germanic word begin with *bVl(C)-?
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The principle morpheme in it is, yes.
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Wait, so bladha is *balþaz + something? Is that something a grammatical morpheme or a lexical morpheme?
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Grammatical.
[as you should expect, as we've already established that the word isn't an adjective]
[as you should expect, as we've already established that the word isn't an adjective]
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Oh from *-ê/*-ô, an adverbalizer?
You mentioned that rą́ngong originates in 3 PG morphemes, and that one of the points where it can be subdivided is rą́ng-ong. Can the "ong" part be subdivided further?
You mentioned that rą́ngong originates in 3 PG morphemes, and that one of the points where it can be subdivided is rą́ng-ong. Can the "ong" part be subdivided further?
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