Things that are too common
Things that are too common
This is This thread's counterpart. What features do you think that conlangs overuse, especially in comparison to natlangs.
My picks:
-Relative Pronouns
-Verbal copulas
My picks:
-Relative Pronouns
-Verbal copulas
Re: Things that are too common
Synthetic languages.
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You mean oligosynthetic, right?arilando wrote:Synthetic languages.
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Simple phonotactics: CVC and the likes. :|
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You don't like sounds in languages?Milyamd wrote:Phonic languages.
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Xing wrote:"Degrees" of comparison.
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He doesn't nescessarily dislike phonic languages, and probably relies on one or more every day.sano wrote:You don't like sounds in languages?Milyamd wrote:Phonic languages.
It's just that 99% of conlangs are phonic, and that can be considered too many if you have the slightest affection for non-phonic languages.
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Re: Things that are too common
TBH, most conlangs are graphic rather than phonic, with the phonic part a "pious fiction" or whatever. But yeah, more gestural languages would be cool.CMunk wrote:He doesn't nescessarily dislike phonic languages, and probably relies on one or more every day.sano wrote:You don't like sounds in languages?Milyamd wrote:Phonic languages.
It's just that 99% of conlangs are phonic, and that can be considered too many if you have the slightest affection for non-phonic languages.
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Thing is, a lot of people can't stay away from over-doing it if they don''t restrict themselves.Visinoid wrote:Simple phonotactics: CVC and the likes. :|
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Given the existence of natlangs like Nuxalk, there isn't really a way to overdo syllable structure without looking farcical.
Nūdenku waga honji ma naku honyasi ne ika-ika ichamase!
female-appearance=despite boy-voice=PAT hold boy-youth=TOP very be.cute-3PL
Honyasi zō honyasi ma naidasu.
boy-youth=AGT boy-youth=PAT love.romantically-3S
female-appearance=despite boy-voice=PAT hold boy-youth=TOP very be.cute-3PL
Honyasi zō honyasi ma naidasu.
boy-youth=AGT boy-youth=PAT love.romantically-3S
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Hmm? Why is that too common?Solarius wrote:Xing wrote:"Degrees" of comparison.
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People do it a lot, even though there are lots of other ways to do comparative constructions.eldin raigmore wrote:Hmm? Why is that too common?Solarius wrote:Xing wrote:"Degrees" of comparison.
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Every language needs to be able to express some idea equivalent to superlative, to comparative, to equative, and to positive. But it doesn't have to be morphology on the modifier (adjective or adverb).Solarius wrote:People do it a lot, even though there are lots of other ways to do comparative constructions.eldin raigmore wrote:Hmm? Why is that too common?Solarius wrote:Xing wrote:"Degrees" of comparison.
Positive: "(noun) is (adjective)"
Equative: "(noun1) is as (adjective) as (noun2)"
Comparitive: "(noun1) is more (adjective) than (noun2)"
Superlative: "(specific noun) is more (adjective) than any other (generic noun)"
Doesn't WALS.info have a chapter on which languages have what means of creating comparatives?
http://wals.info/chapter/121
http://wals.info/feature/121A
But notice that inflection for degree-of-comparison isn't mentioned.
Do you have examples of what you're talking about?
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Well, I've noticed that people who talk about comparative constructions usually seem to have degrees of comparison. The one exception is a thread about this I remember from a while back.eldin raigmore wrote:Every language needs to be able to express some idea equivalent to superlative, to comparative, to equative, and to positive. But it doesn't have to be morphology on the modifier (adjective or adverb).Solarius wrote:People do it a lot, even though there are lots of other ways to do comparative constructions.eldin raigmore wrote:Hmm? Why is that too common?Solarius wrote:Xing wrote:"Degrees" of comparison.
Positive: "(noun) is (adjective)"
Equative: "(noun1) is as (adjective) as (noun2)"
Comparitive: "(noun1) is more (adjective) than (noun2)"
Superlative: "(specific noun) is more (adjective) than any other (generic noun)"
Doesn't WALS.info have a chapter on which languages have what means of creating comparatives?
http://wals.info/chapter/121
http://wals.info/feature/121A
But notice that inflection for degree-of-comparison isn't mentioned.
Do you have examples of what you're talking about?
They could always use a verb with the meaning of exceed, or any of the other WALS strategies. I don't see how that could cause a problem.
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I'm almost certain I used this exact method for one of my first ever conlangs.They could always use a verb with the meaning of exceed,
Nūdenku waga honji ma naku honyasi ne ika-ika ichamase!
female-appearance=despite boy-voice=PAT hold boy-youth=TOP very be.cute-3PL
Honyasi zō honyasi ma naidasu.
boy-youth=AGT boy-youth=PAT love.romantically-3S
female-appearance=despite boy-voice=PAT hold boy-youth=TOP very be.cute-3PL
Honyasi zō honyasi ma naidasu.
boy-youth=AGT boy-youth=PAT love.romantically-3S
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It's cool when you invent a feature independently when you're a noob, eh?Chagen wrote:I'm almost certain I used this exact method for one of my first ever conlangs.They could always use a verb with the meaning of exceed,
I once did something similar with case, although it was weirdly conflated with other stuff.
-imeni "one who speaks"
-ini "one who acts"
-eni "One who is spoken to"
-unmarked "one who is acted on"