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by Salmoneus
20 May 2022 13:45
Forum: Teach & Share
Topic: Notes on the music of China and Japan
Replies: 7
Views: 190

Re: Notes on the music of China and Japan

– Could you please explain the stacked fifths tuning in more layman’s terms? For example, how does the tuning of the 1–2 interval relate to a stacked fifth? How does one tune “2” by ear (in relation to what note?)? I think I can quickly save Panini from answering this one! The Pythagorean system is...
by Salmoneus
20 May 2022 01:57
Forum: Teach & Share
Topic: Notes on the music of China and Japan
Replies: 7
Views: 190

Re: Notes on the music of China and Japan

Just anticipating a question or two (I finished this far too late last night to expect any sort of completeness). Tuning practice is often separate from tuning theory in East Asia. One can almost always expect scale degrees 1, 2, and 5 to be stacked perfect fifths in the Pythagorean sense [Thrasher...
by Salmoneus
20 May 2022 01:27
Forum: Teach & Share
Topic: Notes on the music of China and Japan
Replies: 7
Views: 190

Re: Notes on the music of China and Japan

Thank you so much for this! Both the Chinese [Thrasher 85] and Japanese [Garfias 60] traditions recognize two more additional accidental tones, referred to in much of the Japanese literature as “exchange tones”: biàngōng (變宮, henkyū , ‘si’, lit. altered gōng ’) and biànzhī (變徵, henchi , ‘fi, lit. al...
by Salmoneus
18 May 2022 01:51
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 905
Views: 159134

Re: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

Similarly, they can be related to adpositions of course. A somewhat constructed example from German (might not be diachronically correct). Ich be-schneide den Busch. I at-cut the.ACC bush I cut the bush. Ich schneide etwas bei-m Busch. I cut something at-the.DAT bush I am cutting something at the b...
by Salmoneus
18 May 2022 01:37
Forum: Beginners' Corner
Topic: The relative clause can't have a subject... wait, WHAT?
Replies: 5
Views: 351

Re: The relative clause can't have a subject... wait, WHAT?

So, first things first: are you aware you're doing something very strange here? It's OK if you are, but if you're doing it accidentally it may be confusing you. So, relativisation combines two clauses: the main clause, and the relative clause. Headed relatives (we'll ignore headless ones for now) l...
by Salmoneus
16 May 2022 20:42
Forum: Teach & Share
Topic: Introduction to Arabic Music & Theory
Replies: 16
Views: 1338

Re: Introduction to Arabic Music & Theory

Interesting that Grove does not mention C-F-A-d-g-c or even C-G-A-d-g-c tuning! I can't speak to the historical tunings (or Turkish tunings), but these two tunings (and their equivalent but a fourth higher) probably account for the majority of oud music from the 50s onwards, maybe even a bit earlie...
by Salmoneus
14 May 2022 23:30
Forum: Teach & Share
Topic: Introduction to Arabic Music & Theory
Replies: 16
Views: 1338

Re: Introduction to Arabic Music & Theory

Thanks! Also thanks for the insights into East Asian music – I've always wanted to know a bit more about it, so please feel free to post more. The idea that the pentatonic-based music is pre-Greco-Indian is very interesting and not something I had considered. I know very little about the history of...
by Salmoneus
14 May 2022 14:07
Forum: Teach & Share
Topic: Introduction to Arabic Music & Theory
Replies: 16
Views: 1338

Re: Introduction to Arabic Music & Theory

What a fantastic introduction! I can’t wait for your maqamat analysis :) As a brief aside, some older Sinospheric classical music does play into this heptatonic/modal Greco-Indian tradition (I like your term, Salmoneus!). I find this most striking in the Tang court music underlying Japanese gagaku,...
by Salmoneus
12 May 2022 23:48
Forum: Beginners' Corner
Topic: The relative clause can't have a subject... wait, WHAT?
Replies: 5
Views: 351

Re: The relative clause can't have a subject... wait, WHAT?

BUT... there doesn't seem to be a place for "I" in either of those relative clauses. You would put "by me" or the lang's equivalent after it. So... no subject? Truly no subject, and no place for it? "Fire" can't be the subject, right? It's already an object and not in ...
by Salmoneus
12 May 2022 22:22
Forum: Everything Else
Topic: The Sixth Conversation Thread
Replies: 536
Views: 109361

Re: The Sixth Conversation Thread

In a dream the other night, my subconscious correctly used the word 'fustigate', which impressed me so much I made a note of it and looked it up upon awakening. I'm not sure whether to be proud of my subconscious for having a better vocabulary than I do, or embarrassed...
by Salmoneus
12 May 2022 13:32
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Conlanging Features you Avoid
Replies: 150
Views: 24233

Re: Conlanging Features you Avoid

- Fusional morphology and masculine/feminine gender. I have against these things, I just don't think it's that common outside of IE and Afro Asiatic languages. A slight correction: the fusion of case marking with number marking is almost unique to IE and Uralic. Other types of fused markers are rar...
by Salmoneus
08 May 2022 00:21
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Conlanging Features you Avoid
Replies: 150
Views: 24233

Re: Conlanging Features you Avoid

Yes, I was simplifying somewhat, in two ways. Firstly, the 'gender' of pronouns doesn't always match the gender system of nouns. It usually does, but not always. Going back to my examples: although cailín is masculine, and takes masculine adjectives, it actually takes the feminine pronoun. Effective...
by Salmoneus
07 May 2022 13:26
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Conlanging Features you Avoid
Replies: 150
Views: 24233

Re: Conlanging Features you Avoid

Masculine/feminine gender always seemed pedestrian to me, but I’d include them if the culture that spoke the language had more than two (either a third gender or distinct category for trans folks or something) Just to be clear, because this is a common misconception: cross-linguistically, "gen...
by Salmoneus
06 May 2022 16:45
Forum: Teach & Share
Topic: Introduction to Arabic Music & Theory
Replies: 16
Views: 1338

Re: Introduction to Arabic Music & Theory

For the differences between the various Middle Eastern traditions, it’s mostly as you say – once you’re familiar enough, you can “feel” it. More specifically, though, Arabic music tends to favour: the oud, the qānūn, the nāy, violins, and various drums. Persian music (and music of neighbouring regi...
by Salmoneus
01 May 2022 22:57
Forum: Teach & Share
Topic: Introduction to Arabic Music & Theory
Replies: 16
Views: 1338

Re: Introduction to Arabic Music & Theory

Thank you so much for this! As a layman, it's difficult to find reasonable, layman-level explanations of this topic (everything seems to be either very simplistic (saying very little) or very technical (of which I can understand very little), with not a lot in between...). I'm still writing/planning...
by Salmoneus
22 Apr 2022 21:00
Forum: Everything Else
Topic: Modify the IPA
Replies: 4
Views: 377

Re: Modify the IPA

ɿ ʅ? Since when are they official IPA symbols? Since used in China and all countries outside China to teach how to speak Chinese properly. Usually for pinyin ⟨c⟩, ⟨ch⟩, ⟨r⟩, ⟨s⟩, ⟨sh⟩, ⟨z⟩, ⟨zh⟩ when followed by ⟨i⟩. CMIIW. Lots of things are 'used in China'; that doesn't make them IPA. You seem to...
by Salmoneus
22 Apr 2022 20:54
Forum: Everything Else
Topic: What are you listening to/watching?
Replies: 296
Views: 44260

Re: What are you listening to/watching?

That doesn't sound very safe. Or possibly legal?


Anyway, I'm watching the obvious: Derry Girls, Better Call Saul, Russian Doll, and soon the last of Ozark, and then Stranger Things a couple of weeks later. Why is everything released almost simultaneously!?!?
by Salmoneus
21 Apr 2022 19:22
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: One World Language
Replies: 9
Views: 532

Re: One World Language

I brought this up because there are people, today, who are have no problem calling for a centralized world governing structure. And we should not kid ourselves, these individuals have the influence to buy up everything, both around and underneath us, with zero moral dilemma. We will even be convinc...
by Salmoneus
21 Apr 2022 13:43
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: One World Language
Replies: 9
Views: 532

Re: One World Language

It would obviously be morally impermissable; anyone who agreed to do so would be guilty of crimes against humanity. The only possible - and even then perilous - excuse for this sort of collaboration in crimes against humanity would be the sincere and accurate beliefs that the project would go ahead ...
by Salmoneus
18 Apr 2022 02:38
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: If natlangs were conlangs
Replies: 126
Views: 78201

Re: If natlangs were conlangs

English has anglicised older layers of loanwords, yes, because they're old. They very much weren't anglicised for the first few hundred years, giving us /Z/ and /y/ and /ui/ and things like that. And more modern loanwords are only sporadically anglicised, which is why words like 'envelope' still vi...