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by Omzinesý
06 Dec 2021 13:52
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 345
Views: 61143

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

That actually looks like something you could find in Subsahara Africa, Northern South Asia or in Papua. Looks like a great idea; naturalistic yet interesting. Can you mention some languages of the areas whose phonology I could check if they are interesting? Does Northern South Asia mean Nepal or wh...
by Omzinesý
06 Dec 2021 13:49
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 345
Views: 61143

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

tʲ tˠ kʲ q
b dˠ dʲ gʲ ɢ
j ʁ
m nʲ nˠ
f sʲ sˠ ç~ɕ χ
lʲ lˠ
rʲ rˠ

y i u
ø e o
ä

Something more traditional
by Omzinesý
05 Dec 2021 18:00
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 345
Views: 61143

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

This time, ideas concerning accent There are two tones High (H) and Low/Mid/unmarked (L). Every phonetic word has one (at least) or two (at most) high tones/accents. (The accent system somewhat resembles that of Swedish.) Tones are attached to a tone bearing unit (TBU), which are vowel segments at t...
by Omzinesý
04 Dec 2021 15:41
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random ideas: Morphosyntax
Replies: 759
Views: 144721

Re: Random ideas: Morphosyntax

The languages has noun class markers / classifiers / generic nouns (the terms are messy anyways). They can appear alone (often anaphorically) or be prefixed with the head noun. They are usually of the form CVC. When prefixed, they lose the value of the vowel, which becomes schwa or mirrors the value...
by Omzinesý
28 Nov 2021 14:43
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: If natlangs were conlangs
Replies: 122
Views: 73171

Re: If natlangs were conlangs

The creator of :ita: Italian got lazy. They stopped creating new words for things invented after the mid 20th century and just borrowed everything from English without even trying to make the words match the phonology of the rest of the language: Lo sport /lo sport/ = "The sport" (Even th...
by Omzinesý
28 Nov 2021 12:04
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: Questions on Finnish and Estonian Phonology and Orthography [split]
Replies: 30
Views: 935

Re: Questions on Finnish and Estonian Phonology and Orthography [split]

Can we really speak about "Standard Finnish" before 19th century? There were some religious texts, but was there really any standard way of reading them. I would guess everybody read them aloud according their own dialect. Of course, they were mostly read by priests whose L1 was usually Sw...
by Omzinesý
28 Nov 2021 11:19
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 832
Views: 118004

Re: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

How can I better describe how the accusative and instrumental case work in my language with respect to secundative languages , at the level of someone who is not familiar with linguistics? So far I have it as this: The accusative (ACC) case indicates the primary object of a verb, which may be the r...
by Omzinesý
23 Nov 2021 15:50
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: Questions on Finnish and Estonian Phonology and Orthography [split]
Replies: 30
Views: 935

Re: Questions on Finnish and Estonian Phonology and Orthography

Spanish is the most famous example, and there's a few others here . There are also some (such as /tʃ/ > /θ/ and /ḱ/ > /θ/) which seem like they've probably gone through an intermediate stage, which I would assume is most likely /t͡s/. Interesting! But it says Proto-Finnish had /θˑ θː/, when that'd ...
by Omzinesý
23 Nov 2021 15:40
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: Questions on Finnish and Estonian Phonology and Orthography [split]
Replies: 30
Views: 935

Re: Questions on Finnish and Estonian Phonology and Orthography [split]

Sellane ol' Viipuri is more or less the only context I have heard this seseo thing. "Tieshää Nuutipoja passas Että syvämes ja vassas Viipurlaise rakkaus assuuki vain ..." I have heard in Pohjanmaa "Se avaan on siällä pattahan päällä." but "pattas" rather means 'pylon' &...
by Omzinesý
22 Nov 2021 15:12
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: A new lang combining some old ideas - name will be found up later
Replies: 8
Views: 314

Re: A new lang combining some old ideas - name will be found up later

Verbs have two sets of person suffixes: a) ones appearing after a stop b) ones appearing after other phonemes. rop-š-a say-SG1-MOOD* * Not sure what that mood slot will be. -š 1srp -l 2ndp/PROXIMATE -Ø 3dp -raw PL1INCL ropša 'I said' ropla 'you said', 's/he (present) said' ropa 's/he said' roprawa '...
by Omzinesý
20 Nov 2021 19:21
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: Questions on Finnish and Estonian Phonology and Orthography [split]
Replies: 30
Views: 935

Re: Questions on Finnish and Estonian Phonology and Orthography [split]

"Viitsiä" comes from western dialects. In eastern dialects, it is "keh(d)ata".
What is "kaltsi"?
by Omzinesý
19 Nov 2021 22:07
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: Questions on Finnish and Estonian Phonology and Orthography [split]
Replies: 30
Views: 935

Re: Questions on Finnish and Estonian Phonology and Orthography [split]

Uutizet karjalaikse https://areena.yle.fi/audio/1-50072788 is by the way interesting, and fully understandable through Finnish. Though it's through Finnish Yle, so probably it is quite Finnish-like Karelian.
by Omzinesý
19 Nov 2021 13:03
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: Questions on Finnish and Estonian Phonology and Orthography [split]
Replies: 30
Views: 935

Re: Questions on Finnish and Estonian Phonology and Orthography [split]

So the conclusion I get from the thread and Setälä that Xonen quoted is "Things are complicated". [:'(]

Do the southern or eastern Finnic languages have /ts/?

Does the sound/cluster in question even derive from PU?
by Omzinesý
18 Nov 2021 11:59
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: Questions on Finnish and Estonian Phonology and Orthography [split]
Replies: 30
Views: 935

Re: Questions on Finnish and Estonian Phonology and Orthography

I think the question is what we call Finnish. The proto-diealects of Finnic were (or so I've been told) Southern dialect, Proto-West-Finnish (more or less what are considered western dialects of Finnish) and Proto-Carelian (including the eastern dialects of what is called Finnish nowadays). What is ...
by Omzinesý
17 Nov 2021 16:58
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: A new lang combining some old ideas - name will be found up later
Replies: 8
Views: 314

Re: A new lang combining some old ideas - name will be found up later

eldin raigmore wrote: 16 Nov 2021 18:03 What is genation?
How can negation turn to genation when I copy-paste the section from Karu thread. [xP]
by Omzinesý
16 Nov 2021 14:00
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: A new lang combining some old ideas - name will be found up later
Replies: 8
Views: 314

Re: A new lang combining some old ideas - name will be found up later

Verb morphology I'm stealing quite much from Karu (my older project) verb. The exact content of the slot 2 is still unclear. How many voices does the language need. The preliminary verb template is: -1[incorporation] 0[stem], 1[inceptive, cessiative, causative] 2[reciprocal, reflexive, autobenefacti...
by Omzinesý
16 Nov 2021 11:12
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Rebirth on CBB: Vayardyio language preview
Replies: 6
Views: 872

Re: Rebirth on CBB: Vayardyio language preview

Nice, you have devoted much effort to your lang. I'm a bit envious. Some comments on grammar discourse that make it more readable, which is not to say anything be wrong with the grammar. - I think most modern reference grammars collapse the categories you call Word and Morphology. So, the category o...
by Omzinesý
14 Nov 2021 18:13
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: A new lang combining some old ideas - name will be found up later
Replies: 8
Views: 314

Re: A new lang combining some old ideas - name will be found up later

Syntax of NPs The lang is left-branching. Complex NPs are: [article] [genitive] [adjective*] [noun] *There aren't real adjectives but stative verbs but here it is not important. Genitive attributes appear in Oblique case. Compounds also appear. The head follows the modifier. Coordination of two noun...
by Omzinesý
14 Nov 2021 18:01
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: A new lang combining some old ideas - name will be found up later
Replies: 8
Views: 314

Re: A new lang combining some old ideas - name will be found up later

Nominal Morphology Morphological nouns The only obligatory inflection of nouns is case. There are two cases: Direct and Oblique. Oblique is formed from Direct by changing the last vowel. Direct => Oblique a => e / o wa => we i => e wi => we u => o ą => ąme wą => ume ų => ųme į => įme wį => ume Artic...
by Omzinesý
14 Nov 2021 17:42
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: A new lang combining some old ideas - name will be found up later
Replies: 8
Views: 314

Re: A new lang combining some old ideas - name will be found up later

Consonants p t k <p t k> s ʃ ç x <s š ȟ h> m n <m n> l r j <l r j> Vowels i ĩ wi wĩ u ũ <i į wi wį u ų> e we o <e we o> ä ã wa wã <a ą wa wą> Syllable structure: (C)(C)V The allowed consonant clusters are: plosive + fricative/liquid {p t k} + {s ʃ ç x l r} Stress All words have one (main) stress tha...