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by Omzinesý
23 Feb 2024 12:39
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random ideas: Morphosyntax
Replies: 895
Views: 204917

Re: Random ideas: Morphosyntax

Visions1 wrote: 22 Feb 2024 21:56 Instead of a Nom-Acc-Gen or Nom-Acc-Obl distinction,
have an Ablative-Allative-Oblique distinction.
Is this an answer to some older discussion?
What do you mean? All languages have to have a subject case.
by Omzinesý
21 Feb 2024 17:21
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: SBäk e Dlor
Replies: 62
Views: 4156

Re: SBäk e Dlor

I should go to motion verbs. Something preliminary: Dlor motion verbs code very much. Applicative prepositions do not affect them. They are used like applicatives are used with any verb. Associated motion prefixes behave differently with motion verbs. While jo- usually means 'to came and V', with mo...
by Omzinesý
21 Feb 2024 17:15
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 1636
Views: 338470

Re: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

But I'd also say: bear in mind that Latin hadn't even eliminated its own stress irregularities - there were a whole bunch of words that didn't obey the normal rules and weren't regularised. So expecting immediate regularisation of a whole heap of new irregulars may be unrealistic. I didn't know tha...
by Omzinesý
21 Feb 2024 16:45
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 1636
Views: 338470

Re: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

How weird would it be for a language with split-ergativity to encode grammatical aspect in the verb, but uses the ergativity split for some other criteria than aspect? Like the split is based on animacy, for instance? Not weird at all. Aspect is just one possible split of a split alignment. I don't...
by Omzinesý
21 Feb 2024 16:38
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: What did you accomplish today?
Replies: 696
Views: 202265

Re: What did you accomplish today?

I checked all 42 prefixes and proclitics of Dlor. I haven't been very coherent while making them. Many unintended homonyms appear. ba PREPOSITION 'as' PREPOSITION 'made of' NUMERAL 'four' ma FIELD PREFIX 'with a vehicle' PREPOSITION 'INSTRUMENT' mi DISTRIBUTIVE PLURAL NUMERAL ''three' mo FIELD PREFI...
by Omzinesý
20 Feb 2024 21:06
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: How do your languages treat (in)definiteness?
Replies: 28
Views: 877

Re: How do your languages treat (in)definiteness?

In future NE Areyaxi, definiteness is basically a way of saying "I would use anaphora for this but that would be ambiguous." In future Aryayaxi and Orayoxe, the definite article basically means "you know which one I mean (because I mentioned it)," the indefinite article means &q...
by Omzinesý
20 Feb 2024 20:53
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 1636
Views: 338470

Re: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

Now we get to the argument that Vulgar Latin didn't really lose long vowels but the contrast between short and long vowels. I think this is quite much what Salmoneus said. So, the surface form and underlying form/rule cannot change simultaneously. Either what Greyeditor suggested 1) Surface form ch...
by Omzinesý
20 Feb 2024 17:15
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: How do your languages treat (in)definiteness?
Replies: 28
Views: 877

Re: How do your languages treat (in)definiteness?

In future NE Areyaxi, definiteness is basically a way of saying "I would use anaphora for this but that would be ambiguous." In future Aryayaxi and Orayoxe, the definite article basically means "you know which one I mean (because I mentioned it)," the indefinite article means &q...
by Omzinesý
20 Feb 2024 17:00
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 1636
Views: 338470

Re: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

Just to clarify: your idea is to lose vowel length but keep the synchronic latin stress rule leading to many (diachronic) stress shifts, right? Yes Sounds naturalistic but I would frame it slightly different. You lose vowel length, keep stress positions (so in a way 'lose' the synchronic stress rul...
by Omzinesý
20 Feb 2024 14:28
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 1636
Views: 338470

Re: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

How plausible it would be that a Romlang preserved Latin phonetic stressing after the loss of vowel length?

cantāre has the stress on the penultimate syllable.
=> cantare would have the stress on the antepenultimate syllable
by Omzinesý
19 Feb 2024 05:55
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 562
Views: 151967

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

My romlang idea.

p t t͡s k (ks) <p t c/ç c/qu (x)>
f θ s x <f ŧ s ꝁ>
v ð z ɣ <v d z g>
m n ɲ <m n gn>
l r j <l r j>

Having <ꝁ> without <k> is a bit strange. Maybe <c̄>.
by Omzinesý
17 Feb 2024 11:39
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random ideas: Morphosyntax
Replies: 895
Views: 204917

Re: Random ideas: Morphosyntax

What if all location prepositions (they don't have to be such an open class as in English) had a deictic meaning?

Ro bam 'in the house (there)'
Pa bam 'in the house (here)'
But cannot just say 'in the house'.

Maybe it appears in some natlangs?
by Omzinesý
16 Feb 2024 08:26
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 562
Views: 151967

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

DV82LECM wrote: 16 Feb 2024 06:34 Would written geminated /ʔ/ be <">? It would be intuitive but it strikes my eye oddly.

Also, fan of them both.
Probably yes.
Some people use <q> for /ʔ/ but I don't like it either. Do you have some other options?
by Omzinesý
15 Feb 2024 18:00
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 562
Views: 151967

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

p t k kʷ ʔ <p t k qu '> t͡s k͡s <c x> s h <s h> m n ŋ <m n ng> β l ɹ j ɰ w <b l r y g w> i ʉ <i u> o <o> ä <a> CGV(:)U G: β l ɹ j w <b l r y w> U: p̚ t̚ k̚ k̚ʷ ʔ̚ Still one version p t k kʷ ʔ <p t k kw '> t͡s k͡s <c x> s h <s h> m n ŋ <m n ng> l ɹ j w <l r y w> i ʉ <i u> o <o> ä <a> Vowels can be s...
by Omzinesý
15 Feb 2024 10:07
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: SBäk e Dlor
Replies: 62
Views: 4156

Re: SBäk e Dlor

Verb morphology This post will not be the final or complete description. Dnor morphology is extremely simple. The root is CV(C) and all but one prefixes are CV-. The Middle voice prefix is just s-. Compounding does not happen and all verbs have thus just one root. The verb template is -4/-3 Middle ...
by Omzinesý
14 Feb 2024 16:14
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: SBäk e Dlor
Replies: 62
Views: 4156

Re: SBäk e Dlor

I decide that verb pairs like

find - look for
see - look/watch
hear - listen

will be expressed with Antipassive.

Tlee bek ka.
'I'm looking for you.'

Tlee bék ka.
'I found you.'


I also decided that 'acorn' will be lâm e krom 'egg of tree'.
by Omzinesý
14 Feb 2024 08:26
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: What did you accomplish today?
Replies: 696
Views: 202265

Re: What did you accomplish today?

I started translating Cat and Fish story into Dlor. I got stuck with 'to wake up'. Dlor does not have a cessative form so it cannot just be 'stop sleeping'. Maybe it will be 'to get active' or 'to eye-open' or something. So in the end, i didn't accomplish very much conlanging today. Can't you just ...
by Omzinesý
14 Feb 2024 00:50
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: What did you accomplish today?
Replies: 696
Views: 202265

Re: What did you accomplish today?

I started translating Cat and Fish story into Dlor.
I got stuck with 'to wake up'. Dlor does not have a cessative form so it cannot just be 'stop sleeping'.

Maybe it will be 'to get active' or 'to eye-open' or something.

So in the end, i didn't accomplish very much conlanging today.
by Omzinesý
14 Feb 2024 00:44
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 1636
Views: 338470

Re: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

Thank you!
I think what @VaptuantaDoi said was quite much what I was looking for.
I have check the paper Visions1 linked. Niger-Kongo languages - especially outside Bantu - are very interesting.
by Omzinesý
13 Feb 2024 10:04
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: SBäk e Dlor
Replies: 62
Views: 4156

Re: SBäk e Dlor

Ba is a preposition meaning (more or less) 'as'.

[bä'mɔn]
ba mon
'as a man'

It can also be prefixed to the noun forming a verb 'to be an N'.

['bä.mɔn]
bamon
'to be a man'