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by Porphyrogenitos
10 Oct 2020 07:30
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random ideas: Morphosyntax
Replies: 727
Views: 115988

Re: Random ideas: Morphosyntax

An isolating language where there are no adpositions, and there are no inflectional affixes and productive derivational affixes either, all meanings of adpositions are conveyed by the use of verbs and nouns(and the language has serial verb construction), and most conjunctions are from content words...
by Porphyrogenitos
15 Aug 2020 04:20
Forum: Conworlds & Concultures
Topic: Linguo-traditionalist country
Replies: 1
Views: 154

Linguo-traditionalist country

Don't really know what to call this thread, I don't have a name for this country. This is just a collection of speculations I've had about a government that operated to preserve its country's language based on the ideas of Peter Trudgill. These all started out as essentially humorous, absurd ideas a...
by Porphyrogenitos
13 Aug 2020 01:27
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Neugrotien - Para-Slavic lang
Replies: 20
Views: 824

Re: Neugrotien - Para-Slavic lang

Thanks so much for the feedback, everyone! I really appreciate the enthusiasm for this idea. Maybe start from an earlier, unpalatalised from of Proto-Slavic? It had a consonant inventory comparable to Latin (/k g x t d n p b m s z r l j w/). It was only during the 6~8 c.s AD that the Slavs experienc...
by Porphyrogenitos
03 Aug 2020 20:28
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Neugrotien - Para-Slavic lang
Replies: 20
Views: 824

Re: Neugrotien - Para-Slavic lang

i like it. all i have to say is that the first time I heard spoken Polish, it sounded a lot like French to me. I dont really get that impression anymore and I havent heard other people saying it either but there's got to be more to it than them both just having nasal vowels, or i would have said th...
by Porphyrogenitos
03 Aug 2020 19:18
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Neugrotien - Para-Slavic lang
Replies: 20
Views: 824

Re: Neugrotien - Para-Slavic lang

Okay, sound changes! So a couple basic principles. As mentioned, I am attempting to back up to a time before the Slavic palatalizations. So that means instead of working with *mǫžьščina 'man' (or 'manishness') I am working with *mǫgjьskina - I don't know if that's a form that ever actually occurred ...
by Porphyrogenitos
03 Aug 2020 18:56
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Neugrotien - Para-Slavic lang
Replies: 20
Views: 824

Re: Neugrotien - Para-Slavic lang

Alternative words for 'man' and 'woman', derived from the etyma of the modern Russian words. Again, starting from a pre-palatalized stage. Singular - Plural Nom: moiscine /mwasin/ - moiscin /mwasɛ̃/ Acc: moiscin /mwasɛ̃/ - moiscin /mwasɛ̃/ Obl: moiscin /mwasɛ̃/ - moiscin /mwasɛ̃/ (again, really no i...
by Porphyrogenitos
03 Aug 2020 18:51
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Neugrotien - Para-Slavic lang
Replies: 20
Views: 824

Re: Neugrotien - Para-Slavic lang

Explanation of sound changes will becoming shortly. Here's my first attempt at 'woman', starting from an unpalatalized pre-Slavic *gena: Singular - Plural Nom: genne /ʒɛn/ - gen /ʒɑ̃/ Acc: gen /ʒɑ̃/ - gen /ʒɑ̃/ Gen: gen /ʒɑ̃/ - gen /ʒɑ̃/ The orthographic double <nn> isn't etymological, but it didn't...
by Porphyrogenitos
03 Aug 2020 18:43
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Neugrotien - Para-Slavic lang
Replies: 20
Views: 824

Re: Neugrotien - Para-Slavic lang

Initial attempt at a noun - PS *sъ̀nъ ‘dream’ Singular - Dual - Plural Nom: son /sɔ̃/ - sonne /sɔn/ - son /sɔ̃/ Acc: son /sɔ̃/ - sonne /sɔn/ - son /sɔ̃/ Gen: sonne /sɔn/ - son /sɔ̃/ - son /sɔ̃/ Loc: son /sɔ̃/ - son /sɔ̃/ - sonec /sɔnɛ/ Dat: son /sɔ̃/ - sonome /sɔnom/ - sonon /sɔnɔ̃/ Instr: sonon /sɔ...
by Porphyrogenitos
03 Aug 2020 18:36
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Neugrotien - Para-Slavic lang
Replies: 20
Views: 824

Neugrotien - Para-Slavic lang

I had the amusing idea of creating a conlang (a "bogolang") in which I force Proto-Slavic to undergo the same sound changes (and to the extent possible and desirable, grammatical changes) of Modern French. So I wanted to share my notes. I also wrote this silly little blurb: In roughly 100 CE, a smal...
by Porphyrogenitos
11 Jul 2020 03:28
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 201
Views: 4921

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

I thought about a combination of Proto-Bantu-like consonants and tone with Proto-Turkic-like vowels. I really like this. Though no vowel nasalization before plain nasals? And are there tone contours, i.e. /týý/ vs /týỳ/ vs /tỳý/? If not, you might dispense with the double high tone marking on the l...
by Porphyrogenitos
15 May 2020 06:27
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: The Great Vowel Shift & Vocalism in Romance languages
Replies: 33
Views: 1783

Re: The Great Vowel Shift & Vocalism in Romance languages

This is interesting. My focus is on a different area, but some dialects of Arpitan have somehow changed /i/ into /ə~ø/, and I've been at a loss to explain it. I know that Piedmontese and possibly some other Gallo-Italic varieties have Western Romance /i e/ > /ə/ in closed syllables except before na...
by Porphyrogenitos
12 May 2020 03:42
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: The Great Vowel Shift & Vocalism in Romance languages
Replies: 33
Views: 1783

Re: The Great Vowel Shift & Vocalism in Romance languages

For more Romance vowel fun - according to Loporcaro in The Dialects of Italy (Maiden and Parry), various dialects in Puglia undergo diverse vowel changes, including various process of diphthongization in [stressed [final] and [open penultimate]] syllables. Very broadly, various dialects are at vario...
by Porphyrogenitos
13 Jan 2020 00:46
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 201
Views: 4921

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

A vowel harmony system I've had in mind for some time, but never got around to using. It would probably feature in a language with Finno-Ugric or Turkic-style agglutination. It's specifically height harmony, which is very rare but attested in the world's languages. High: /i ə u/ /iə̯ iu̯ əi̯ əu̯ uə̯...
by Porphyrogenitos
28 Dec 2019 07:01
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here [2010-2020]
Replies: 11605
Views: 1442733

Re: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

Given the contact between the North Germanic and Celtic languages, does it seem probable to make a North Germanic language with initial consonant mutation? Or is this too unlikely given that it was mostly North Germanic languages that influenced the Celtic ones? I have tried this. I agree that Old ...
by Porphyrogenitos
26 Nov 2019 02:26
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Omzinian Scrap thread
Replies: 102
Views: 24174

Re: Omzinian Scrap thread

Apparently a particular dialect of Occitan underwent something similar: In one part (and only one part) of Limousin,[which?] a transphonologization has occurred: The old phonemes /ts/, /dz/ have now become /s/, /z/, less frequently /θ/, /ð/. The old phonemes /s/, /z/ have now become /ʃ/, /ʒ/, less ...
by Porphyrogenitos
28 Oct 2019 03:32
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Porphyrogenitos' scratchpad and intermittent glossolalia
Replies: 22
Views: 7618

Re: Porphyrogenitos' scratchpad and intermittent glossolalia

An amusing system of initial mutations. Ultimately, in the modern variety, only non-nasal obstruents show mutations, though /m/ and /n/ historically had mutations, so their development is shown, too. There is the unmutated grade, a mutated grade that originated as a geminated grade (triggered by com...
by Porphyrogenitos
07 Aug 2019 06:35
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Omzinian Scrap thread
Replies: 102
Views: 24174

Re: Omzinian Scrap thread

Random idea I may use in some lang: There are't very many onset clusters but t, c, and k can be followed by a lateral that assimilates with the POA of the stop: tl, cʎ, kʟ. You could also maybe do /p̼l̼/, corresponding to simple onset /p/. A random idea for some future lang Vowels have three supras...
by Porphyrogenitos
12 Jul 2019 16:23
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Porphyrogenitos' scratchpad and intermittent glossolalia
Replies: 22
Views: 7618

Re: Porphyrogenitos' scratchpad and intermittent glossolalia

A cross between an artlang and an "oligosynthetic" engelang. Phonology /m n ŋ/ <m n ng> /p t ts tʃ k/ <p t ts ch k> /b d dz dʒ g/ <b d dz j g> /f θ s ʃ x/ <f th s sh kh> /v ð z ʒ ɣ/ <v dh z zh gh> /l ɾ w j/ <l r w y> /a e i o u ə/ <a e i o u ë> /ai̯ au̯ eu̯ oi̯/ <ai au eu oi> Stress is phrase-final....
by Porphyrogenitos
10 Jul 2019 06:16
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 201
Views: 4921

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

A simpler version of the nasal-less, fricative-less, labial-less consonant inventory I posted:

/t' c' k'/ <t' c' k'> or <tx cx kx>
/t c k ʔ/ <t c k '> or <t c k x>
/d ɟ g/ <d j g>
/l j w/ <l y w>
/lˀ jˀ wˀ/ <l' y' w'> or <lx yx wx>
by Porphyrogenitos
09 Jul 2019 04:34
Forum: Conworlds & Concultures
Topic: Random Conworld idea thread
Replies: 449
Views: 110349

Re: Random Conworld idea thread

A thing I thought of today: A society that believes in “lineal reincarnation”; the notion that after you die you are reincarnated as the next one of your descendants to be born. Or in particular the idea that (if you are a man) you are reborn as the next one of your male-line descendants to be born;...