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by Vlürch
24 Nov 2021 00:43
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: Questions on Finnish and Estonian Phonology and Orthography [split]
Replies: 30
Views: 854

Re: Questions on Finnish and Estonian Phonology and Orthography [split]

Ah, I thought "Proto-Finnish" could mean basically "Proto-North Finnic" since it went straight from Proto-Finnic to Proto-Finnish, and was just a matter of terminology and categorisation and referred to the entire continuum excluding the "proper Karelian" and "prop...
by Vlürch
23 Nov 2021 23:35
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: Questions on Finnish and Estonian Phonology and Orthography [split]
Replies: 30
Views: 854

Re: Questions on Finnish and Estonian Phonology and Orthography

No traditional dialect has /t.s/. Well, yeah, but the dialects traditionally spoken outside of Finland's modern borders in the Karelian isthmus had the affricate /t͡s/, and deaffrication isn't a big change. I don't know if it always remained /t͡s/ or if it was reintroduced by migrants from the nort...
by Vlürch
23 Nov 2021 13:17
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: Questions on Finnish and Estonian Phonology and Orthography [split]
Replies: 30
Views: 854

Re: Questions on Finnish and Estonian Phonology and Orthography

Spanish had /t͡s̪/ > /s̪/ > /θ̟/ That was the one I could think of too, but didn't think it counts since it had an intermediate stage. Well I mean, obviously if /θ/ was a reflex of earlier /ts/, then /ts/ would have been widespread before it turned into /θ/. But apart from that, all I can say is th...
by Vlürch
22 Nov 2021 11:38
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: Questions on Finnish and Estonian Phonology and Orthography [split]
Replies: 30
Views: 854

Re: Questions on Finnish and Estonian Phonology and Orthography

No, I'm saying Finnish sounds like Finnish, Karelian sounds like Karelian and Udmurt sounds like Udmurt. Finnish and Karelian are closely related enough that they still sound quite similar, but neither of them sounds much like Udmurt. And none of these sounds much like Swedish, either, in the sense...
by Vlürch
20 Nov 2021 21:41
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: Questions on Finnish and Estonian Phonology and Orthography [split]
Replies: 30
Views: 854

Re: Questions on Finnish and Estonian Phonology and Orthography [split]

"Viitsiä" comes from western dialects. Wiktionary says it comes from Proto-Finnic , and has a list of cognates in all Finnic languages.🤔 In eastern dialects, it is "keh(d)ata". Really, they have the same meaning in some dialects? To me, that means specifically "to not be as...
by Vlürch
20 Nov 2021 12:52
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: Questions on Finnish and Estonian Phonology and Orthography [split]
Replies: 30
Views: 854

Re: Questions on Finnish and Estonian Phonology and Orthography

*/ʃt/ > /ht/ has happened in Finnic, along with general /ʃ/ > /h/: lehti 'leaf' < * lešte , heinä 'hay' < * šaina etc. But this happened at some stage in Proto-Finnic Somehow I managed to completely forget about that. [:$] Maybe subconsciously I was partially thinking of that, though... it having h...
by Vlürch
19 Nov 2021 16:57
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: Questions on Finnish and Estonian Phonology and Orthography [split]
Replies: 30
Views: 854

Re: Questions on Finnish and Estonian Phonology and Orthography [split]

Do the southern or eastern Finnic languages have /ts/? Most of them do have some kind of affricate, either /t͡ʃ/ or /t͡s/, but the correspondences aren't entirely regular (or at least I have no idea about the rules for when what became what, they must be very complex). Does the sound/cluster in que...
by Vlürch
19 Nov 2021 09:58
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: Questions on Finnish and Estonian Phonology and Orthography [split]
Replies: 30
Views: 854

Re: False cognates

t͡s => t.s => s(1).t => ht (mehtä metät) You're right, something like that could also make sense for that shift, I hadn't even thought of a possibility like that. Personally I just thought it's the same kind of thing as how Swedish /f/ was traditionally (and still is in some dialects) replaced with...
by Vlürch
18 Nov 2021 07:06
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: Questions on Finnish and Estonian Phonology and Orthography [split]
Replies: 30
Views: 854

Re: False cognates

it's generally assumed that it was actually /θ/ or /θ:/ (/ts/ in Finnish being a dialectalism that has since spread to the standard language, possibly partially as a spelling pronunciation). I keep hearing this, but with time I've gotten very sceptical about it because I've never heard a single arg...
by Vlürch
17 Nov 2021 18:25
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: Questions on Finnish and Estonian Phonology and Orthography [split]
Replies: 30
Views: 854

Re: False cognates

Is the /hr/ cluster even allowed in Finnish? Yes, for example: tahra - stain vihreä - green uhri - victim (Swedish loanword) kehrätä - to purr (of cats; Indo-Iranian loanword) Also, dialects where /d/ is replaced with /r/ have it a lot more, for example: mahdoton -> mahroton - impossible kahden -> ...
by Vlürch
17 Nov 2021 17:42
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 572
Views: 81694

Re: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

Are interjections especially likely to be borrowed from one language to another, relative to other parts of speech, and to how many interjections each of the source language and borrowing language has? Is the ease of borrowing interjections versus other parts of speech, significantly greater when t...
by Vlürch
17 Nov 2021 16:23
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: False friends and other unfortunate coincidences
Replies: 833
Views: 215243

Re: False friends and other unfortunate coincidences

I just found out about this Aramaic word, not necessarily a "proper" false friend since there's no way they'd ever be mixed up, but still interesting because of the oppositeness: Aramaic קרישתא /qæriʃtaʔ/ - cold, frozen Finnish käristä! /kæristæ(ʔ)/ - roast!, burn! [food; imperative] The F...
by Vlürch
20 Oct 2021 19:03
Forum: Games
Topic: Romanization game #2
Replies: 1849
Views: 156813

Re: Romanization game #2

/p b t d k g/ <p b t d c g>
/f v s z x ɣ/ <f v s z h r>
/m n/ <m n>
/l j w/ <l ĕ ŏ>

/i u/ <i u>
/e o/ <e o>
/a/ <a>

Next:

/m n ŋ/
/p b t d k g/
/c͡ç ɟ͡ʝ/
/t͡s d͡z t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/
/s z ʃ ʒ/
/f v θ ð j x ɣ h/
/r l/

/æ ə ɪ ɞ/
/ɑː aː ɛː eː iː ɔː oː ɵː uː ʉː/
by Vlürch
12 Oct 2021 19:50
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 832
Views: 117341

Re: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

I have no idea about Solresol, but if you want colours and notes... why not have initial consonants mapped to colours, vowels to notes and final consonants to their softness/hardness (whatever the technical term is)? Sticking to 12 notes per octave for simplicity's sake, and 12 colours just because ...
by Vlürch
12 Oct 2021 19:09
Forum: Games
Topic: Romanization game #2
Replies: 1849
Views: 156813

Re: Romanization game #2

/p b t d k g ʔ/ <p b t d k g ķ> /f s z ɕ ʑ h/ <f s z ş j h> /t͡s t͡ɕ/ <c ç> /m n ŋ/ <m n ņ> /l j w/ <l y v> /ɽ/ <r> /i y ʉ ɯ u/ <i ü w ï u> /e ø ɤ o/ <e ö ë o> /a ɒ/ <ä a> Next: /m n̪ ɳ ɲ ŋ/ /p t̪ ʈ c k/ /pː t̪ː ʈː cː kː/ /s̪ ʂ ɕ/ /s̪ː ʂː ɕː/ /v ð ɻ j ɣ/ /fː θː xː/ /l̪ ɭ ʎ/ /a ɛ i ɔ u / /aː ɛː iː ɔː...
by Vlürch
24 Sep 2021 20:43
Forum: Games
Topic: Romanization game #2
Replies: 1849
Views: 156813

Re: Romanization game #2

/p pʰ pʼ t tʰ tʼ k kʰ kʼ k͡p k͡pʰ k͡pʼ/ <p ph ᵽ t th ŧ k kh ḳ q qh ꝗ> /f s ʃ h/ <f s x h> /t͡s t͡sʰ t͡sʼ t͡ʃ t͡ʃʰ t͡ʃʼ/ <z zh ż c ch ċ> /m n ŋ ŋ͡m/ <m n g ñ> /l j w/ <l j v> /r/ <r> /i iː u uː/ <i ī u ū> /e eː/ <e ē> /a aː/ <a ā> Next: /m n̪ n̺ ɲ ŋ/ /p b t̪ d̪ t̺ d̺ c ɟ k g ʔ/ /t̪͡s̪ d̪͡z̪ t̺͡s̺ d̺͡...
by Vlürch
24 Sep 2021 17:25
Forum: Everything Else
Topic: Other Creativity
Replies: 1291
Views: 273785

Re: Other Creativity

Enjoy! <3 Sounds cool! The vocals don't sound at all bad to my ears, they fit the track just fine how they are. Maybe a little bit "dry" and low in the mix at times, but of course vocals don't always have to be front and centre anyway. The drums are very punchy, which is nice, and the syn...
by Vlürch
21 Sep 2021 23:46
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Should I/How to add phonotactics to phonotactics - less languages?
Replies: 6
Views: 464

Re: Should I/How to add phonotactics to phonotactics - less languages?

1. Keep them as they are and continue living? Conlangs aren't something to die over, so yeah, you should continue living. [:O] Sorry, couldn't resist... But in all seriousness, what Creyeditor said. Also keep in mind that it's possible that phonotactics that generally hold aren't absolute. Onomatop...
by Vlürch
21 Sep 2021 04:55
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: Allophonic /ħ/
Replies: 2
Views: 362

Re: Allophonic /ħ/

Yeah, Finnish /h/ is... uh... especially if you start paying attention to the inconsistencies and worst of all semi-inconsistencies, it's baffling. You'll think you know how a given individual pronounces it in which contexts, but then they'll throw a random [h͡xʲʶˤ] at you and you're like "wait...
by Vlürch
21 Sep 2021 02:35
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 832
Views: 117341

Re: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

If your language doesn't use <y> or <w>, you could always just use them for schwa and then make a little note. The people who care would have cared anyway and the ones who don't wouldn't anyway. It does use both, specifically this is the phonology and orthography: /m n ŋ/ <m n ng> /p b t d k g/ <p ...