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Aevas wrote: ↑09 Jan 2025 15:24

lsd wrote: ↑08 Jan 2025 22:54 3SDL
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(me not knowing place lived by you...)
+p^r_pčā
(me living at my place...)

Please provide glossing that makes it possible for others to linguistically parse your translation.

Don't bother. It's been this way since the dawn of time.

In response to someone claiming to be learning Ithkuil:

Kijetesantakalu042 wrote: ↑31 Dec 2024 04:36 You poor poor sweet summer child

I honestly am skeptical of phonaesthemes. I think half of it is because the words are related in some capacity, and half of it is cherrypicking. I should correct myself. It's true that similarities in words can cause their meanings to drift closer together: gl- in English is a pretty notable case, ...

I expect it's a problem with the test, not the Big 5 themselves.

I, too, would love some resources here. I consider it my weakest area.

Added.

Why don't we suggest some example proto-forms and see what arises? From there we could get ideas about our grammar and lexicon. *itag̟uː becomes ətʃə, or ətəʒə depending how the stress is. *araːis̠ becomes ʁaəɬ, or əʁaəɬ depending how the stress is. *paŋ̠x̠iː becomes fɴ̩h̪͆i, or fəɴh̪͆i depending ho...

I honestly am skeptical of phonaesthemes. I think half of it is because the words are related in some capacity, and half of it is cherrypicking.

TBPO wrote: ↑23 Dec 2024 15:34 Can consonant length evolve into velarization?

Probably. I could see something like /tt/ → /ht/ → /xt/ → /tˠ/ if you want a roundabout route, but I feel like it could happen all at once too.

I went ahead and put what we have on a spreadsheet . I also fleshed out a phonological history from the ideas others have put forward: k̟ k̠ g̟ g̠ → k q dʒ ɢ k → tʃ before i(ː) s̠ → ɬ except before i(ː) a aː i iː u uː → ə a ɨ i o ɨ p b d dʒ ɢ → f β ð ʒ ɢ~ʁ s̠ → ʃ ə → ∅ when unstressed ɨ → ə r ŋ̠ → ʁ...

Man in Space wrote: ↑23 Dec 2024 05:35

TBPO wrote: ↑22 Dec 2024 20:20Ok, so what now?

VaptuantaDoi wrote: ↑22 Dec 2024 21:00 Usually at this stage I give up and move on to a new project.

Too true

Stress rules: 1. A word of entirely light syllables has ultimate stress. 2. A word with a heavy ultimate syllable has ultimate stress. 3. A word with a heavy penultimate syllable and light ultimate syllable has penultimate stress. 4. A word with a heavy antepenultimate syllable and light penultimate...

Well that made me do a double take.

I'm not a huge fan of an /a ɑ/ contrast in a four-vowel system, though I suppose we have worse contrasts here

Omzinesý wrote: ↑21 Dec 2024 21:59 OK
Sounds exotic

It's found in exactly one dialect of Adyghe, corresponding to /x/ in others. No clue how it got there.

IMO I think /a i ə o/ structure is not super stable, after all /o/ is the only back vowel (in the first phonology at least) & damn close to [ ə ], & humans AFAIK like to make sounds as easy to distinguish as possible, so they get as different as possible. Why don't we turn /o/ into /u/? [ u...

Just found an even unfortunate one: Swahili nazi "coconut" v.s. Nazi "that certain criminal organization" in many European languages. I wonder if Swahili speakers will start creating an euphemism in the future if knowledge about the atrocity that certain criminal organization ha...

*p t k̟ k̠ *b d g̟ g̠ *s x̠ *m n ŋ̠ *r k̟ k̠ g̟ g̠ → k~tʃ q dʒ ɢ p b → f β d dʒ → ð ʒ s → ɬ ð ʒ → θ ʃ x̠ → χ → h̪͆ ŋ̠ → ɴ r → ʁ That's almost sensible Hey, yeah! Perhaps we should work by making proto-words and evolving them through this. Though I'd wanna throw some juicy conditionality in there. I...

Omzinesý wrote: ↑20 Dec 2024 22:26

ɶʙ ɞʛ wrote: ↑18 Dec 2024 20:25 My submission will be /h̪͆/ then, unless someone objects.

What is it?

A bidental fricative, produced as /h/ but with the teeth touching each other.

HolyHandGrenade! wrote: ↑20 Dec 2024 14:08 What about diphthongs?

Probably they can emerge from vowel hiatus.