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by Nortaneous
17 Feb 2020 19:58
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Californian Polynesian
Replies: 55
Views: 2606

Re: Californian Polynesian

There are Polynesian languages whose consonant inventories have been expanded by language contact. Rennellese: /p t k ŋg ʔ s h β~mb l~ð ɣ m n ŋ/. Basic vocabulary in Rennellese has /ʔ h/ but specialized vocabulary doesn't; specialized vocabulary has /ð ɣ/ but basic vocabulary doesn't. Words with /ɣ/...
by Nortaneous
05 Feb 2020 21:15
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 313
Views: 8028

Re: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

Since some of the reconstructions for Old Japanese vowels involves both rising and falling diphthongs, I'm considering having palatalization of both consonants before rising palatal diphthongs (I'm not sure I'll do anything with velarization or rounding), and consonants after falling diphthings (wh...
by Nortaneous
31 Jan 2020 19:39
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Jäzik Panúski
Replies: 52
Views: 9557

Re: Jäzik Panúski

There are Slavic languages that developed front rounded vowels. They can be reconstructed as intermediates in at least Czech and Ukrainian, and are preserved in some present-day Slovenian dialects. Some sound changes that led to the development of front rounded vowels in various Slovenian dialects: ...
by Nortaneous
19 Jan 2020 09:05
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 313
Views: 8028

Re: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

wintiver wrote: 18 Jan 2020 18:07 If anyone knows of having multiple sibilants like this please let me know. Much appreciated.
some Northwest Caucasian and Qiangic languages have four sibilant POAs - for example, Ubykh and Ersu
by Nortaneous
17 Jan 2020 13:14
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad
Replies: 106
Views: 4385

Re: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad

In fact, no language written in Cyrillic has such orthographic depth as English or French; the deepest might be Chechen and Ingush, but that could be due to the "deficiency" of their orthographies designed by Soviet experts (i.e. they might've failed to notice some oppositions in the vowel system l...
by Nortaneous
08 Dec 2019 04:25
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 224
Views: 8561

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Ontena Gadsup I... I-... I don't even. I HAVE BEEN LIVING A LIE Papuan languages sometimes get like that. Kobon has a voicing contrast in affricates but not plosives - its full consonant inventory is: tɕ b d dʑ g ɸ s x h m n ɲ ŋ l ʎ w ɾ ɽ j /x/ varies freely between [x kx kʰ], so there's that, but ...
by Nortaneous
12 Nov 2019 19:55
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 224
Views: 8561

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

I'm not sure about this, but I seem to remember that no languages distinguishing a front and a central /a/ is precisely the reason why no separate symbols for the two exist in IPA. However, a language that does distinguish them may have been discovered since the invention of the IPA. The Hamont dia...
by Nortaneous
27 Oct 2019 23:41
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: Languages with interesting phonotactics
Replies: 23
Views: 9198

Re: Languages with interesting phonotactics

Solarius wrote: 22 Oct 2019 21:49 IIRC there's a Qiangic language which recently underwent monosyllabicization, but in such a way that the permitted clusters were identical in onset and coda--i.e. [ClaCl] was valid but [ClalC] wasn't.
Ronghong Qiang, described in LaPolla's grammar
by Nortaneous
22 Oct 2019 15:42
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: Languages with interesting phonotactics
Replies: 23
Views: 9198

Re: Languages with interesting phonotactics

Allowing /s/ + stop clusters to begin a syllable is actually one of Indo-European peculiarities , since these clusters also go against the sonority hierarchy. In that context Western Romance languages which put a vowel before these clusters are actually making things more normal! It's not that weir...
by Nortaneous
16 Sep 2019 06:51
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here [2010-2020]
Replies: 11605
Views: 1460353

Re: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

Vlürch wrote: 14 Sep 2019 21:57 The links could be marked with "nostalgia warning (or cringe warning if you're a totes no homo bro)",
Dir en Grey isn't that gay - look up Daigo Stardust
by Nortaneous
24 Aug 2019 20:09
Forum: Games
Topic: Romanization game #2
Replies: 1000
Views: 47946

Re: Romanization game #2

Speaking of which, part 2: /p t k m n j l w h a i u e o d t͡ʃʼ ʙ ŋʘ↑ʼ k͡ʟ̝̊ːʷ gǂ͡˞χˀ ᶣɞ̂ˑ ʬᴙ!!/ Let's keep it simple and assign sounds to letters in alphabetical order: <a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v>. So a hypothetical example sentence /ŋʘ↑ʼuk͡ʟ̝̊ːʷaʙi gǂ͡˞χˀaʬᴙ!!o pi t͡ʃʼehiŋʘ↑ʼu/ ...
by Nortaneous
24 Aug 2019 08:44
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here [2010-2020]
Replies: 11605
Views: 1460353

Re: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

the only language I know of with *tʰ > r̥ is Nivkh, and Nivkh doesn't object at all to /r̥/ in clusters
by Nortaneous
24 Aug 2019 08:44
Forum: Games
Topic: Romanization game #2
Replies: 1000
Views: 47946

Re: Romanization game #2

ɶʙ ɞʛ wrote: 24 Aug 2019 01:24 Is an /ħ/ vs /ʜ/ distinction even attested?
yes, in Aghul and (according to PHOIBLE) Bats
by Nortaneous
16 Aug 2019 06:14
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: False cognates
Replies: 767
Views: 196953

Re: False cognates

:eng: quick Old Chinese 霍 /*qʰʷaːɡ/ - quickly, suddenly Maybe it's a bit of a stretch, but they do have similar meanings and velars and uvulars aren't that different. Also, even though I don't know of one, I wouldn't be too surprised if there was some English dialect where "quick" is pronounced [kw...
by Nortaneous
16 Aug 2019 06:08
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here [2010-2020]
Replies: 11605
Views: 1460353

Re: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

Is there a way to get [fˠ → ʍ], with [ʍ] being a true fricative? Woleaian had *f *pʷ > f ɸʷ (and Proto-Micronesian *f patterned as palatalized - cf. *f > ɦʲ in Marshallese), and Irish Gaelic has vʲ/w - so yes, you can just do that Does any natlang feature (a set of) preglottalized (voiceless) nasal...
by Nortaneous
14 Aug 2019 21:27
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: Languages with interesting phonotactics
Replies: 23
Views: 9198

Re: Languages with interesting phonotactics

Wutung allows initial clusters up to CCCC, but these are highly constrained. The only attested CC clusters are: /hb hd hdʒ hl hm hn hɲ hw/ /ʔb ʔd ʔdʒ ʔl ʔm ʔw/ /pl bl fl ml/ The only attested CCC clusters are /hɲdʒ/, /hmb/, /ʔbl/, and /ʔml/, and the only attested CCCC cluster is /hmbl/. Wutung also ...
by Nortaneous
14 Aug 2019 20:20
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here [2010-2020]
Replies: 11605
Views: 1460353

Re: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

Is [e, i, o, ø, ɶ, ɔ, ɯ] or [a~æ, ɑ, e, o, ø, u, y] the more natural inventory? i ɯ e ø o ɶ ɔ y u e ø o æ ɑ neither - almost all languages have /a/ and either /i/ or (in the case of VVSes) a high vowel unmarked for [+/-front]. /y/ necessarily implies /i/, and /ɶ/ is an artifact of the IPA trying to...
by Nortaneous
13 Aug 2019 00:45
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here [2010-2020]
Replies: 11605
Views: 1460353

Re: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

sangi39 wrote: 12 Aug 2019 22:06 Apparently, though, Ossetian hasn't really picked up much in Caucasian-esque morphology (neither has Armenian really IIRC).
But they're much more agglutinative (vs. fusional) than most of IE.
by Nortaneous
29 Jul 2019 00:11
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: False cognates
Replies: 767
Views: 196953

Re: False cognates

In wordlists of North Bougainville languages, "boat" is almost always given as boato . Most words were given in the "definite" (it's not actually a definite, but 1950s missionaries were bad at naming things -- words can take the "definite" and the "indefinite" at the same time! unfortunately, they w...