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by Nortaneous
01 Feb 2024 03:02
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 563
Views: 152164

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

What is the phonemic form of [fandrombəŋgə]? /ɸəəɴrəw ə ɴɸəɴxə/? There also seems to be a random phonemic /t/. Is this an allophone? There is a phonetically rendered [t], which makes sense to your diagrams. Would you shed light? oops You know what, I was going to put that! I even had originally put...
by Nortaneous
30 Jan 2024 15:44
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 563
Views: 152164

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

DV82LECM wrote: 29 Jan 2024 02:41 What is the phonemic form of [fandrombəŋgə]?
/ɸəəɴrəwəɴɸəɴxə/?
There also seems to be a random phonemic /t/. Is this an allophone? There is a phonetically rendered [t], which makes sense to your diagrams. Would you shed light?
oops
by Nortaneous
28 Jan 2024 22:24
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 563
Views: 152164

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

/ɴ ʔ/ /ɸ s ʃ x xʷ/ /m n ɲ ŋ ŋʷ/ /r j w/ /ə/ Syllable structure: (C)(ə)(ɴ|ʔ) + extrametrical initial glottal. ɴ may not appear before a nasal. ʔF > P ɴF ɴw ɴr ɴj > MB mbw ndr ɲɟ əə əjə əwə > a e o ɴ > ɦ̃ / V_V Vɴ > Ṽ / _# ɨ is epenthetic Kʷə Kʷɨ > Ko Ku [ɸaʔ xotɨ jaⁿbwuoⁿbəⁿdro xondə̃ seiteiʔ kʷiʔomb...
by Nortaneous
24 Nov 2023 07:20
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Large Inventories
Replies: 5
Views: 409

Re: Large Inventories

I have one conlang that could be analyzed as having 60 consonants - my usual analysis has 30, but labialization being preserved through Cə~CV- reduplication means doubling that could be defensible. kø̀ɶ̯tsʌʔ > kœˈkø̀ɶ̯tsʌʔ /kʷə-kʷea̯ɦtsʌʔ/ iχsxœtɬuɔ > ɪʔiχsxœtɬuɔ /ɨ-ʔiχsxʷœtɬʷɯʌ/ tsʼwàpœn > tsœˈtsʼw...
by Nortaneous
12 Apr 2023 05:24
Forum: Translations
Topic: With his eyes closed
Replies: 32
Views: 9512

Re: With his eyes closed

Hlu: Khoe Jjim tamakhueya abweddaen kiphiyopa. [kʰɤ ʄim tɒˈmɒkʰɯjɒ ɒᵐbweˈɗæn kiphiˈjopa] khoe Jjim toemakh-ueya a-bo-yddae-n kiphiyop-a DEF Jim eye-PL.3 PF.3-CAUS-be_closed-ADV listen_to_music-3 Ziwan: Jjitmp jot fqp motfqx kvt jje wqtjzn syxdvp yuwqnx. [ndʑi˥m̩˩ tɕo˥ fɔ˩ mo˥fɔ˥˧ kʰv̩˥ ndʑe˧ wɔ˥tɕə̃...
by Nortaneous
12 Mar 2023 02:43
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 563
Views: 152164

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

once again revising Hathic Western Rau: /p b t̪ d̪ t d k g q ʁ ʔ/ /s̺ x ꭓ/ /m n ŋ/ /a e ɤ o i ɯ u/ /˥ ˩ ˩˥/ Eastern Rau: /p pʲ t tʲ kʲ q/ /β βʲ ð ðʲ j ʁ/ /θ θʲ ɬ ɬʲ s sʲ xʲ ꭓ/ /m mʲ n nʲ ŋʲ ŋ/ /a e ʌ o i ɯ/ /˥ ˩ ˩˥/ Old Rau: /p b t d ts dz tɬ dɮ k g q ʁ/ /s̺ ɬ x/ /m n ŋ/ /a ɑ eæ oɒ e o i ɯ/ /˥ ˩ ˩˥/...
by Nortaneous
05 Feb 2023 12:41
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 563
Views: 152164

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Kastas ... sucks and I'm probably killing it DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS In the earliest written records of Rau*, the consonant inventory is superficially similar to that of Old Kangshi, the source of the Rau script. All Old Kangshi consonants except /z r/ are also attested in Rau, and two consona...
by Nortaneous
18 Dec 2022 03:13
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Have You Made a Polysynthetic Conlang?
Replies: 20
Views: 1785

Re: Have You Made a Polysynthetic Conlang?

You're doing that Hmong thing, aren't you, with the illegal coda consonants to mark tone? And also that Thai Romanization thing where they use <v> and <x> as vowels? I haven't seen those Thai romanizations, although I vaguely remember Google doing something odd with <x>. I had a conlang with a roma...
by Nortaneous
07 Nov 2022 00:14
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Have You Made a Polysynthetic Conlang?
Replies: 20
Views: 1785

Re: Have You Made a Polysynthetic Conlang?

'Polysynthesis' is a vague typological term. The languages of the Swamp Continent generally come close in various ways. Hlu has extensive verbal morphology, but doesn't really have polypersonal agreement, obligatorily marking only subject and benefactor: noechuehmaehlaeboqwiyayalekhi [nɤȶʰɯm̥æɬæɓoʔw...
by Nortaneous
01 Nov 2022 01:44
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 1637
Views: 338997

Re: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

Üdj wrote: 31 Oct 2022 15:38 If I have a labiovelar series, would it be realistic to have /x͡ɸ/? I have not found it in any natlang.
If you mean labial-velar, I don't think it's attested to have a fricative that patterns with /kp gb/. If you mean labiovelar, having an /xʷ/ that patterns with /kʷ gʷ/ is.
by Nortaneous
21 Oct 2022 06:37
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 1637
Views: 338997

Re: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

On the other hand, is there anything in the phonetic/articulatory nature of /ɮ/ that makes it unstable and more likely to become /l/? I don't think so. I'm sure there are examples of ɮ losing frication, but I don't know of any - offhand the only developments I know of are ɮ > ð as an incipient shif...
by Nortaneous
21 Oct 2022 04:43
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 563
Views: 152164

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

congealing commute glossolalia /p t k (ʔ)/ /β r ɣ/ /m n ɲ ŋ/ /θ s x/ /ɛ a ɔ e ɤ o i ɯ u/ /θ/ is a true dental [θ], not an interdental. /s/ is apical postalveolar. /r/ is typically a tap. /x/ is [x]~[h]. /u/ is rare. /ɛ ɔ/ and /e o/ may form harmonic pairs Permissible word-internal (maybe also -initi...
by Nortaneous
23 Sep 2022 05:11
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 1637
Views: 338997

Re: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

How do you evolve stress in a conlang? I want my conlang to have a lexical pitch accent a la Japanese or Ancient Greek. I'm thinking about having it start out with a standard stress accent, but overtime the things that distinguishes the stressed syllable from unstressed (like length) disappear over...
by Nortaneous
20 Sep 2022 03:05
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Showcase Your Conlang
Replies: 13
Views: 1202

Re: Showcase Your Conlang

There are a number of languages in the world. Due to failings of virtue, the important ones are less documented than the obscure ones. One known important language is Zzyxwqnp , the arguable official language of the empire (loose confederation) of Zzxzzyx , the origins of which are lost to the sands...
by Nortaneous
20 Sep 2022 02:19
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Indo-European Naturalistic Conlang?
Replies: 10
Views: 891

Re: Indo-European Naturalistic Conlang?

If you really want to do odd shit you could make a separate descendant of Roland Pooth's PIE
by Nortaneous
16 Sep 2022 02:30
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 1637
Views: 338997

Re: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

There's a prefix in Tibetan (marking animal nouns among other things, IIRC) that alternates d- with g- depending on the following consonant, reflecting dissimilation (I don't know Tibetan but let's imagine d-gik but g-thom). The Tibetan preinitials d- and g- are in entirely complementary distributi...
by Nortaneous
16 Sep 2022 02:17
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Help With Sound Changes
Replies: 15
Views: 864

Re: Help With Sound Changes

I cannot pronounce [ɴ] . I cannot imagine both [ŋ] and [ɴ] co-occurring in the same phoneme inventory together except as allophones of each other. I assume it’s attested in some natlang; is it? Does anyone have some examples? Mapos Buang , some dialects of Bai (PDF), and it's alleged for some Sino-...
by Nortaneous
28 May 2022 00:28
Forum: Everything Else
Topic: Are you a hunter-gatherer or a farmer?
Replies: 36
Views: 30054

Re: Are you a hunter-gatherer or a farmer?

No, I was putting it off because there was a heat wave and I was lazy, but then I figured I ought to at least halfass it. Yield will probably be low, but I'm not aiming for full self-sufficiency or commercialization (yet) and the goosefoot is more important anyway. Now I have to figure out what to ...
by Nortaneous
27 May 2022 06:04
Forum: Everything Else
Topic: Are you a hunter-gatherer or a farmer?
Replies: 36
Views: 30054

Re: Are you a hunter-gatherer or a farmer?

To answer the question, I don't hold with psychology or whatever but I've finally planted the damn amaranth [:D] Is this your way of saying that you've just settled down? No, I was putting it off because there was a heat wave and I was lazy, but then I figured I ought to at least halfass it. Yield ...
by Nortaneous
24 May 2022 10:50
Forum: Everything Else
Topic: Are you a hunter-gatherer or a farmer?
Replies: 36
Views: 30054

Re: Are you a hunter-gatherer or a farmer?

Economic strategies aren't necessarily exclusive of each other - e.g. the mixed strategy in pre-20cen Appalachia combining agriculture (of corn, distilled into whiskey and thus used as both a trade good and a local medium of exchange) and hunting and gathering (esp. of medicinal plants for global ex...