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- 22 Mar 2022 01:16
- Forum: Games
- Topic: Guess The Language 2
- Replies: 117
- Views: 56428
- 14 Mar 2022 13:57
- Forum: Conlangs
- Topic: Morphological Operations without Morphemes
- Replies: 13
- Views: 1574
Re: Morphological Operations without Morphemes
Conlangers don't get into tonal morphology so much, I think because tone is much more recent in East Asia (where documentation is much more readily available) than in any(?) linguistic region of subsaharan Africa, so hasn't had time to accrete into as many weird morphological operations. Larry Hyman...
- 14 Mar 2022 13:47
- Forum: Games
- Topic: Guess The Language 2
- Replies: 117
- Views: 56428
Re: Guess The Language 2
Wə̀ jə̀ ə́ ŋmu᷇ kú ŋkúŋ, tá ké má à sé, wə̀ jə̀ ə́Ʒi᷇ kə̀kpàn kə̀ ɲúə̄ nə́ kíə̀. Ŋkúŋ á bi᷄ nà á Ʒí ɲìà. Wə̀ ā sīnə́ gɛ ᷄ ná kə̀kpàn ŋkúŋ á gɛ́ nā ja̋ mī bá kə̀dú. Mbàŋkə̀bɔ́ŋ á fə́sə́ kə̀kpàn á ja̋ ŋkúŋ wō, wǎ jí. Ká wə̀ ŋmú fə́lə́ wǎ gɛ́ á dzɔ́ŋ wɛ́ ɲū kə́ túə̄fə.
- 11 Mar 2022 02:48
- Forum: Games
- Topic: Guess The Language 2
- Replies: 117
- Views: 56428
Re: Guess The Language 2
Notable traits: - Labial-velars - /gl/ - Final consonants: <n ŋ ʼ> - Vowels: /a ɛ ʌ ɔ e ɤ o i ɯ u/ - Contrastive vowel length? - Five level tones? Probably Mande or weird Bantoid. Dan? (But a different dialect from the one described on WIkipedia - maybe Kla-Dan? The Kla-Dan in Makeeva 2013 looks pre...
- 08 Mar 2022 03:40
- Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
- Topic: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
- Replies: 1110
- Views: 282845
Re: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Thank you for your well-thought-out reply, Salmoneus. And I was surprised to hear that linguistics is more susceptible to pseudoscience than psychology. (There isn't enough consensus for Wikipedia to classify it as pseudoscience, but many scholars/academics, for instance, consider Freud's psychoana...
- 02 Mar 2022 02:38
- Forum: Conlangs
- Topic: Omzinesý's Germanic Lang
- Replies: 8
- Views: 1353
Re: Omzinesý's Germanic Lang
Come to think about it Chemnitz only has /p t k/ too, with no contrast in voicing at all. and /kʰ/, but no **/pʰ tʰ/ Also its k~t merger before l is spicy! this happened in certain dialects of English - <cl gl> [tl dl] was even listed as a regular pronunciation rule in an early version of Webster's...
- 25 Feb 2022 22:31
- Forum: Conlangs
- Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
- Replies: 570
- Views: 155566
Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
I am curious, is one of the major differences between these two sister languages a matter of the region, C(w j), in one, being the equivalent of diphthongs in the other? Basically, "C(w j)V = CV(w j)." Western /ɛj ɔw/ generally correspond to Central /jə wə/, but the other Western diphthon...
- 21 Feb 2022 00:58
- Forum: Conlangs
- Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
- Replies: 570
- Views: 155566
Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Central Ziwan: /p b t d ts dz tʂ dʐ k g/ /f s ʂ x/ /m n̪ n ɳ ŋ/ /j w/ Clusters: C(j)(w) Vowels: /a ə i u/ + nasality /kwų̄twâ njə̄ tjì jwų́ɳwą̄ kwājə̄ tʂą̂mwą̄jə̨̄ játə̨́ || njwə̄tʂìjə játə̨́ twā kwâjə̄ pjə̨̂njə̄ kwų̄twâ/ Western Ziwan: /p b̥ mb t d̥ nd ts d̥z̥ ndz tʃ d̥ʒ̥ ndʒ k g̥ ŋg q ɢ̥ ɴɢ/ /f θ ...
- 13 Feb 2022 04:14
- Forum: Conlangs
- Topic: An Unusual Orthography (Concept)
- Replies: 12
- Views: 1761
Re: An Unusual Orthography (Concept)
I've been toying with the idea of, as you say, marking some morphological distinction through an MOA change descending from a prefix, but I'm not sure I'll go through with that - Old Lajhoran I think was probably pretty isolating, so I'm not sure what distinction would be appropriate. As a referenc...
- 05 Feb 2022 20:51
- Forum: Conlangs
- Topic: An Unusual Orthography (Concept)
- Replies: 12
- Views: 1761
Re: An Unusual Orthography (Concept)
hm, if writing is old enough in the Allosphere I could steal this for Zzyxwqnp, although I'm not sure what the writing situation is That's just in Lhasa Tibetan, though (and only one dialect, I think). Other Tibetic languages, some of which I think still, like Lhasa, basically write as if they're wr...
- 09 Jan 2022 03:01
- Forum: Conlangs
- Topic: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
- Replies: 1679
- Views: 347868
Re: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Why not just allow (P F)(j w) and (P F N N̥)(j w)? You are basically suggesting C+glide clusters only? That is what I do in most of my langs and I find it very boring. typo - should read (P F)(m n) etc Couldn't those dialects just have /æ/ and /eə/? some do, some don't - I think /æw/-flattening end...
- 07 Jan 2022 20:29
- Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
- Topic: Languages with interesting phonotactics
- Replies: 60
- Views: 25264
Re: Languages with interesting phonotactics
In Hyman 2005, which Greyeditor linked a while ago. (16) Culminative glottalized and aspirated consonants in Cuzco Quechua (Parker 1997:2) a. root-controlled: occur only in roots, never in suffixes b. non-obligatory: occur in some roots, not in all c. culminative: may occur only once per root: *T'V...
- 07 Jan 2022 20:29
- Forum: Conlangs
- Topic: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
- Replies: 1679
- Views: 347868
Re: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
I see the question was badly formulated. Probably the best answer is just to tell me that I'm far from as clear as I think I am. I made up a nice pattern for words. Then I, for some reason, decided that it has to have aspirated nasals. But it wasn't easy to add them and still make the system look n...
- 07 Jan 2022 20:09
- Forum: Conlangs
- Topic: Suggestion: A language for linguists
- Replies: 22
- Views: 2387
Re: Suggestion: A language for linguists
For tenses, IIRC there was some research on using certain creoles with elaborate and regular tense/aspect systems for something involving machine translation with Bible-translation corpuses, but I've forgotten the details and can't find it now
- 07 Jan 2022 06:54
- Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
- Topic: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
- Replies: 1110
- Views: 282845
Re: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
And iirc some Southerners there's a wire-war merger? I don't know if that's a derounding of 'war' or a rounding of 'wire', though. That's not something I've heard of before, but I'd expect a fire-far merger to be common in most places PRICE monophthongization has reached fixation. [I didn't know th...
- 06 Jan 2022 01:34
- Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
- Topic: Languages with interesting phonotactics
- Replies: 60
- Views: 25264
Re: Languages with interesting phonotactics
In Hyman 2005, which Greyeditor linked a while ago. (16) Culminative glottalized and aspirated consonants in Cuzco Quechua (Parker 1997:2) a. root-controlled: occur only in roots, never in suffixes b. non-obligatory: occur in some roots, not in all c. culminative: may occur only once per root: *T'V...
- 06 Jan 2022 01:31
- Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
- Topic: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
- Replies: 1110
- Views: 282845
Re: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Rounding doesn't seem to be that salient back there, and rounding and derounding across time and between languages seems fairly common. Americans, for instance, just furiously deround every damn low vowel they come across. [PALM? No rounding. LOT? No rounding. CLOTH? No rounding. CAUGHT? No roundin...
- 14 Aug 2021 22:17
- Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
- Topic: How do you say "bee" and "wasp" in Algic languages?
- Replies: 30
- Views: 5518
Re: How do you say "bee" and "wasp" in Algic languages?
Yurok: terwermers "bee, yellowjacket" Blackfoot: naamóó "bee", pokáámoiksi "small bees" (plural) Arapaho: koho'ok "bee, wasp" Cheyenne: háhnoma "bee" > tȧhpe'ȧséhahnoma "honeybee", heóvėháhnoma "wasp" Ojibwe: aamoo "bee, was...
- 10 Jul 2021 21:08
- Forum: Conlangs
- Topic: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
- Replies: 1679
- Views: 347868
Re: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Are there any documented languages with a syllabic ŋ? yes, Cantonese Can apical vowels appear after palatals and/or retroflexes? that depends on what you mean by "apical vowels". fricated vowels can appear after palatals and retroflexes, yes - Nuosu allows the syllables /tsɿ tʂɿ tɕɿ/ - bu...
- 20 Jun 2021 18:12
- Forum: Conlangs
- Topic: Урданорос/Urdanoros:: A Turkic-Influenced IE lang
- Replies: 10
- Views: 1773
Re: Үрйәнэрэс/Üryäneres: A Turkic-Influenced IE lang
First point: The original draft of the language was a Satem Tocharian, and all the stop series were to fuse. However, I wanted a voiced series to continue. Therefore, I made the following assumption: I would speculate that in Pre-Proto-Tocharian the plain voiced series fused first, and it also unde...