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by Zythros Jubi
13 Jan 2020 20:03
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad
Replies: 106
Views: 15774

Re: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad

I found these articles through Wikipedia links and partly from Googling. Then a Swedish conlanger shared some pdf's on ConWorkshop.
by Zythros Jubi
13 Jan 2020 14:35
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad
Replies: 106
Views: 15774

Re: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad

a perfective in -si (<-zi, troublesome devoicing?) corresponding to Com. Turkic -p In Chuvash it's -sA in affirmative and -sAr in negative, which is the original form. The origin of this is also unclear per se Levitskaya; some speculated a Uralic origin, while other suggest being cognate to Common ...
by Zythros Jubi
12 Jan 2020 18:16
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad
Replies: 106
Views: 15774

Re: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad

The Nagy-Szent-Miklos vase inscription is considered by some as Avar (see the paper I cited above, Аварская надпись на сосуде из клада Надь-Сент-Миклош ), and had a totally different interpretation (albeit Oghuric). The interpretation by Mudrak: buila. ʒ́o apan. tesi. žɨGetöGi; buta ul. ʒo apan. t...
by Zythros Jubi
10 Jan 2020 16:49
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad
Replies: 106
Views: 15774

Re: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad

(note : the -r suffix becomes -t after stems ending in n, l, or t (kĕttĕm from kĕr- 'enter') -t patalalises in turn to -č (kĕččĕ). IIRC the Chuvash past suffix is -t after n, l and r and -r otherwise; how come it's -r after all other voiceless consonants? Chuvash d>r only works between vowels, does...
by Zythros Jubi
10 Jan 2020 16:29
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad
Replies: 106
Views: 15774

Re: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad

If it were *ilč-le-bi, the modern reflex would've been -v- Instead of -p. In Bulgar, the nominative 1sg and 2sg was *bi/be and *si/se, the latter case coinciding with the oblique stem. It's unknown whether this is a conservative feature or an innovation. Chuvash esě doesn't show palatalization on s,...
by Zythros Jubi
10 Jan 2020 15:30
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad
Replies: 106
Views: 15774

Re: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad

I mean TMA, tense, mood and aspect. How to construct the present tense is a question: Turkic languages use various strategies. I read a German paper titled ZUM PRÄSENS DER NORDWESTLICHEN UND MITTELASIATISCHEN TÜRKSPRACHEN by LARS JOHANSON, but became more puzzled. It seems that a common strategy in ...
by Zythros Jubi
08 Jan 2020 14:46
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad
Replies: 106
Views: 15774

Re: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad

There's also a Rovas/Hungarian Runiform orthography for this conlang, but it is obsolete now, mostly used as a sign of nationalism and ethnic identity, or as decoration. Unfortunately, I have no input method of Rovas nor a font with this script. Besides, verb conjugation is still difficult for me to...
by Zythros Jubi
08 Jan 2020 10:00
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad
Replies: 106
Views: 15774

Re: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad

If this migration did take place it must've happened fairly early (before the middle of the first millenium A.D.). Graham Thurgood dated that event after the sack of Indrapura in 982. In addition, how possible is it for a Papuan language to be carried to Africa and Australia by sailors? The Papuan ...
by Zythros Jubi
07 Jan 2020 09:07
Forum: Beginners' Corner
Topic: Ideas for African Chamic conlanging
Replies: 14
Views: 4498

Re: Ideas for African Chamic conlanging

The Papuan Language of Tambora Author(s): Mark Donohue Source: Oceanic Linguistics, Vol. 46, No. 2 (Dec., 2007), pp. 520-537 Published by: University of Hawai'i Press Stable URL: https://www.jstor.org/stable/20172326 Perhaps one can also make a Papuan conlang spoken elsewhere (Africa or Australia), ...
by Zythros Jubi
07 Jan 2020 02:54
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad
Replies: 106
Views: 15774

Re: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad

Well, what are the closest languages to Chamorro? There seems to be none, just like Javanese.
by Zythros Jubi
06 Jan 2020 08:35
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad
Replies: 106
Views: 15774

Re: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad

First of all, orthography and phonology: Letter Name Phonetic value A a á ɑ Á á vorom á äː B b bé b C c cé ʦ Č č čé ʧ D d dé d E e é ɛ~æ É é vorom é ɛː(E,S)/eː(W) F f ef f G g gé ɡ H h há h I i í i Í í vorom í iː J j jé j K k ká k L l el l Ľ ľ eľ ʎ M m em m N n en n Ň ň eň ɲ O o ó o~ə(S) Ó ó vorom ó...
by Zythros Jubi
06 Jan 2020 05:24
Forum: Beginners' Corner
Topic: Ideas for African Chamic conlanging
Replies: 14
Views: 4498

Re: Ideas for African Chamic conlanging

Despite the small size of these island, they may be accidentally found by passers-by; the explorers may have landed on Madagascar or even mainland East Africa first before moving to Mascarenes. What I intended is a mercantile, seafaring population with Indian-influenced feudal society; however the r...
by Zythros Jubi
06 Jan 2020 04:09
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad
Replies: 106
Views: 15774

Re: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad

By the way, was it the Acehnese who migrated to Champa, or was it the other way around? (I have heard theories of both sort, that includes refugees fleeing either way) Recently I read From Ancient Cham to Modern Dialects by Graham Thurgood, who reconstructed Proto-Chamic. There are many Mon-Khmer l...
by Zythros Jubi
02 Jan 2020 09:58
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: How would you romanize Kazakh?
Replies: 37
Views: 14373

Re: How would you romanize Kazakh?

/m n ŋ/ <m n ng> /p b t d k ɡ q/ <p b t d k g q> /*t͡s *t͡ɕ/ <ts tc> /*f *v s z ʃ ʒ *ɕ *x ʁ *h/ <f v s z c j cc/ctc h gh h> /l j w/ <l y w> /r/ <r> /ɘ~ɪ ʉ ə ʊ/ <i ü ï u> /əj~ɘj ʊw~əw~ʉw~ɘw <y w> /i̯ɘ y̯ʉ~ø~œ u̯o/ <e ö o> /*i̯e/ <ä> /æ ɑ/ <ä a> /*jo jʊw~jəw~jʉw~jɘw jɑ/ <yo yw ya> Сотта Тұрсынкүл Жола...
by Zythros Jubi
02 Jan 2020 09:41
Forum: Beginners' Corner
Topic: Ideas for African Chamic conlanging
Replies: 14
Views: 4498

Ideas for African Chamic conlanging

I'm recently considering making a conlang spoken in Reunion, Mauritius and Seychelles (even including Chagos Archipelago as well), supposed to be spoken by descendants of Northern Chams after the fall of Indrapura in 982 (as refugees). Assume that some of them managed to escape through Malaccas onto...
by Zythros Jubi
31 Dec 2019 15:14
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad
Replies: 106
Views: 15774

Re: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad

Thus, in the language of the Iranian Khalaj (Iranian speakers living on the shores of the Caspian Sea), which according to Indo-Europeanists retains quite useful information and material in its phonetic, grammatical and lexical peculiarities, we find a iterative marker, or more precisely one of plu...
by Zythros Jubi
31 Dec 2019 15:06
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad
Replies: 106
Views: 15774

Re: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad

I know that this Turklang is on hiatus for a while, but just want to drop some stuff here: https://www.jstor.org/stable/43391366 https://www.christopherculver.com/languages/iranian-substrate-phenomenon-mari-chuvash.html Well, do you have ideas about a group of Chamic langs (all open syllables like ...
by Zythros Jubi
24 Dec 2019 06:38
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad
Replies: 106
Views: 15774

Re: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad, and more...

Maybe I should abandon this conlang for a while, since resources about Oghuric languages are scarce (and sometimes self-contradicting), and chronology of sound changes are hard to track. Starostin's database contain too many morphemes without Chuvash equivalent plus a few with Bulgar equivalent (but...
by Zythros Jubi
21 Dec 2019 11:32
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Development thread: A Romlang in Hungary
Replies: 23
Views: 4705

Re: Development thread: A Romlang in Hungary

Well, the Carpathian Basin/Pannonian Basin/Greater Hungary has become a hotspot for conlanging. Are there anyone from this region on cbb or zbb?
by Zythros Jubi
21 Dec 2019 06:50
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad
Replies: 106
Views: 15774

Re: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad

When the ï is part of a glide, is it possible for it to precede a *u or *o?

BTW are you Indonesian, judging from the link beginning with books.google.com.id? If so, what's your mother tongue (and I'll be grateful if you could give suggestions about Austronesian conlanging)?