How unusual would it be for a language to have /ʃ t͡ʃ/ as phonemes but [ɕ cç] as allophones of /s k/ before /i/?
Are they too similar to tell apart?
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- 25 Jan 2024 19:58
- Forum: Conlangs
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- 16 Dec 2023 17:26
- Forum: Conlangs
- Topic: Which conlangs are you working on and/or still plan to work on?
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Re: Which conlangs are you working on and/or still plan to work on?
My main project is Narai. It's not super interesting with it's phonology as it doesn't have any complex phonotactics nor any rare phonemes, but I still like it aesthetically. The most unusual thing about it's phonology is that it has /y/ as the only front rounded vowel in what's otherwise a standard...
- 09 Dec 2023 06:07
- Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
- Topic: Word Order In Natlangs
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Re: Word Order In Natlangs
So, I have been reading up on the word order of some languages like Selk'nam, Päri and Macushi. They are analyzed as being OVS, but according to Wikipedia, they are actually absolutive-verb-ergative. What are your thoughts on this, and how do such a thing arise? What is the ergative split based off ...
- 08 Dec 2023 02:54
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- Topic: Extreme Conlang Ideas
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Re: Extreme Conlang Ideas
Doubt it's possible or naturalistic, but I am toying with making a conlang without verbs. Instead, verbs are expressed via cases. M
Thus, to say "I eat food," could be expressed as "Food mouth.allative case" or "Food bring to my mouth."
Thus, to say "I eat food," could be expressed as "Food mouth.allative case" or "Food bring to my mouth."
Re: Pewati
This looks fun. I definitely have similar aesthetic preferences for small consonant inventories like this. The presence of // but no /w/ is interesting - I don't recall where I read this, but I believe there is an implicational universal where the presence of a labiovelar other than /w/ implies the...
Re: Pewati
This looks fun. I definitely have similar aesthetic preferences for small consonant inventories like this. The presence of // but no /w/ is interesting - I don't recall where I read this, but I believe there is an implicational universal where the presence of a labiovelar other than /w/ implies the...
Pewati
Pewati is my current and main conlanging project. It aims to achieve all of my phonoaesthetic preferences whilst still remaining within the boundaries of naturalism. It's still pretty early into development, so I will add to it as needed. It's syllable structure is very simple. The most complex a sy...
- 05 Nov 2023 23:40
- Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
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Re: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
So, is RTR the same thing as - ATR?
- 04 Nov 2023 04:25
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So, I know that some languages have a whistled register to go along with the spoken register. Is it theoretically possible/naturalistic to have a language that is only whistled, but not spoken?
- 29 Oct 2023 21:30
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So, if a language prohibits long vowels in the word final position, then how would suffixafion work? Like, two words could be /koka/, with the only difference is that when the suffix -/ma/ is added one is realized as [ko.ka.ma] while the other is [ko.kaː.ma]?
- 29 Sep 2023 23:07
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Re: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Thanks! I think I am finally starting to understand how tonal languages work.
- 28 Sep 2023 18:03
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Perhaps I am overthinking how tonal languages work, but I'm gonna ask anyway. If a language has a word tone/pitch accent system, how do contours manifest in the language? I've read that in such languages, contours are just a high and low tone next to each other. But, how does it occur in an otherwi...
- 28 Sep 2023 02:58
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- Topic: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
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Re: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Perhaps I am overthinking how tonal languages work, but I'm gonna ask anyway. If a language has a word tone/pitch accent system, how do contours manifest in the language? I've read that in such languages, contours are just a high and low tone next to each other. But, how does it occur in an otherwi...
- 27 Sep 2023 16:41
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Re: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Yes, (one way of analysing) word tone, I know, but I still don't understand what your actual question is. Maybe you could give some examples? Say there's the word /ni.kaː.ta/, and it has a falling tone on the second syllable, thus the second mora has the high tone. Would the first syllable then als...
- 27 Sep 2023 05:30
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I don't follow. Is that over a mora, or over a word? If it's over a mora - languages with 'word tone' don't contrast different moraic tones, by definition. [at least: an analysis in which they contrast whole-word contours instead is more appealing] If it's over a word... how could they 'contrast' a...
- 27 Sep 2023 02:44
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Re: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Perhaps I am overthinking how tonal languages work, but I'm gonna ask anyway. If a language has a word tone/pitch accent system, how do contours manifest in the language? I've read that in such languages, contours are just a high and low tone next to each other. But, how does it occur in an otherwis...
- 08 Sep 2023 19:24
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Re: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
If a language permits consonant clusters only word-medially, is the preceding syllable open or closed? It should be noted that this particular language allows CCVC syllables.
E.g: Take a word like /kesta/. Is it it /kes.ta/ or /ke.sta/? If a language is CCVC, would they be considered separate words?
E.g: Take a word like /kesta/. Is it it /kes.ta/ or /ke.sta/? If a language is CCVC, would they be considered separate words?
- 23 Aug 2023 08:10
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How do stress and affixes affect each other? In my current project, stress is normally on the penultimate syllable, unless it has a schwa, then the stress moves to the final syllable. Simple enough so far. E.g. /a.ˈna.ka/ vs /a.nə.ˈka/ Just one problem. I'm not sure how it would interact with suffix...
- 15 Aug 2023 18:49
- Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
- Topic: Word Order In Natlangs
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Word Order In Natlangs
So, word order is one of the first things conlangers learn about grammar and syntax. However, I think it's an area that is often understudied outside of correlations with word order and other parts of grammar. For instance, one learns that some languages are pretty loose with their syntax despite ha...
- 15 Aug 2023 18:42
- Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
- Topic: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
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Re: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
So, some languages, like Javanese and Wu Chinese have slack voiced consonants. I can't find too much info about them, but from what I can gather, slack voiced phonation means that the consonant is half-voiced with a slight breathiness to them. I've also heard that English voiced stops are half-voice...