Khemehekis wrote: ↑27 Mar 2019 07:33
elemtilas wrote: ↑25 Mar 2019 05:05
Baby seizure among Daine, that's quite rare indeed! That would be a crime in and of itself and likely to cause as much social upheaval as the crime that necessitated it.
Because the Daine are more humane than the humans or the Hotai or the Elves, right?
Of course, I like to think Daine are more humane! More consistently humane, to be sure. Doesn't always pan out, though. Men are, not quite human. Kissing cousins certainly. (I suppose if Men and humans ever met, f*cking cousins would be the more likely outcome!) Men are capable of great heights of humaneness -- but more often they demonstrate their capabilities of inhumanity. Orcs, of which Hotai are but one subtype, are much maligned. Even by the Daine. I would say, if given the chance, and if not under a force of Compulsion, Orcs can be every bit as humane as Men. Not that that's saying much! Also, you'll find a gulf of difference between their various genders. The ones most outsiders see are the "super-male": terribly violent, reckless, warlike, destructive, wanton. Females are much more like female Daine (the two races are related, after all, so no surprises there) but more socially and spiritually degenerate & "primitive" because of the circumstances the whole race finds itself in. There are also "lesser-males" -- these tend to be physically very like the females (small, relatively weak, not so violent). If the super-males could be removed from the picture, Orcs could very easily fit themselves back into the Daine family tree.
Elves...they're just orthogonal. As a race, they're probably what we'd think of as sociopathic, egotistical, self centered, violent and uncharitable. Definitely not high on the humane scale! I haven't heard of any, but I would suppose that there could be a broken Elf who actually isn't a sociopath. It doesn't help matters that they are highly skilled glamourists --- able to override the senses of other peoples & beasts making them seem beautiful, fair, wise, gentle and good. Usually Daine are much better than Men at most things, but when it comes to Elves, they fall prey to and are just as terrified of Elves as Men or Dwarrows or Orcs. Out of all the usually met with peoples of Yeola, only the Turghun can see them straight. Give a Turghun an iron sword and he'll never lack for Elf hunting work!
I've known for a long while that "amazon" cultures of Daine exist (communities comprising only girls), but I recently dreamed about a (very unusual) queendom of these "amazon" Daine who approached the time of their fertility rites rather more vigorously and folkloristically than most such cultures. Obviously, even ordinary all girl Daine societies need boys to make babies. Usually this is accomplished in a very satisfactory and enjoyable manner; but this particular society prefers a more brutal approach in sacrificing their victims during the festivities. Long story short, a couple survivors of the ordeal (out of perhaps a hundred victims) tracked them down and their own Queen brought a very definitive war against the agressors.
Those that survived the war were kept until they showed signs of pregnancy. After the time of giving birth, the babies were taken and most of the "amazons" were in turn ritually slain themselves.
Have you written this whole story out before? You could post it on this board if you haven't already.
Not yet! Just an outline.
I guess you're expressing interest in hearing the tale!
You must have typed "domeheads bodus" into a search engine and found the Bodus page on my website! Cool!
I'm amazed by how similarly you describe your Daine of The World to the way I describe Bodusian Domeheads! I had never heard of The World when I typed this all up back in 2006.
Well, this certainly makes we want to learn more about the Bodusians! Like, what they look like, how they behave, what stories they tell...
In 2006, The World was not well advertised. I think only in Conlang-L and Conculture. There were certainly no online places for it. Even now, it's not well represented. The CBB thread, Deviant Art gallery and a slowly growing wiki are the main online places.
You'll have to explain undicity better... That might actually be similar to ordinary dwimmery.
Basically, the appliances have little conductor-tubes called waguls inside them that conduct the brain waves of a Domehead. As long as the Domehead is awake and conscious, the brain waves will power the undic device for as long as the switch is turned on, just as an electric current would power an electric device for as long as it was turned on.
Ah, I see. That's actually very nifty! One of those stealworthy, "why didn't I think of that!?" kind of things!
And wow! I love your Bodusians already!
I can only wish I'd met them back in 2006!!
If I might, I'd suggest making a thread here in CBB so, you know, we can learn more about them! Read their stories and talk about them?
Many kinds of dog-like animals (actual dogs, wargs, foxlings, etc) have the capacity to learn & understand, at least at a rudimentary level, Daine (and presumably Mannish) speech. Much like how in Earth we can train a dog to "fetch" or "heel".
Daine have simply learned that Dogs are actually paying attention when we talk around them. Like children. And as with talking to their little babies and toddlers, they also talk to their Dogs. I think there must be something about Dogs' brains that "grow" with companionship stimulation. . . . It's kind of amazing to see how advanced Dog cultures interact with Daine. Dogs are just chilling, maybe wrestling with the kiddoes; but if talk turns to matters of national importance --- like hunting or conflicts along the border or the possibility of a good run or some sport --- then they're all pricked ears and eyes fixed lovingly & proudly on their alphas! . . . Dogs are the kind of animal a Daine can actually send out into the wild with fairly complex instructions that the Pack will accomplish without direct alpha intervention. The dogs of Men are clever, for sure, and are capable hunting & herding & guard hounds, but they do not experience the same kind of shared culture that Dogs have with their Daine.
Brilliant! So dogs are as sharp and dutiful as 1A troops. Am I correct in thinking the Daine don't draft Daine soldiers?
Not sure what a 1A troop is, but yeah, pretty sharp. And, indeed, dutiful to the utmost.
No, Daine have no draftees. Kind of goes against their nature. But also, everyone in a queendom is what you might call "in the militia". Like most countries of Men, very few Daine realms have standing armies. People just kind of do their thing until a need arises. In some respects I suppose that is one reason why they are so feared. One day you might visit a Daine land and it's just kids running about and folks going about their tasks --- but in a fortnight time the same place could instantly turn into a bristling army of thousands, well trained and ready to slice throats and rip nut & arm off any Orc, Man, Dwarrow, Wereboar or anything else that threatens their joyful existence.
And then, war fought and the dead looked after, it'll be all hands to rebuild and the kids'll be running about and everyone will about their tasks. I mean, if you look at a picture of a Daine, "Slayer of Orcs" and "Trampler of Trolls" are not the kinds of titles that would immediately come to mind. But they are indeed fierce; they brook no drafts but will to their best ability stand forth when the fight is a good one. If you're on the wrong side of a war against Daine, do stand out of their way!
There is a good reason why, during the great Orc Wars, the bad guys took the long road up towards the bleak north shores by the icy Ocean in order to race down upon the lands of Men, rather than fight their way through Daine countries.
Even under Auntimoanian law, they can't prosecute someone until they've committed a crime. Kind of an odd circumstance, really, as a well practiced psychopath could, conceivably, maintain a torture victim in a state of continual torture for years or decades. So long as no other criminal offense becomes a fait acomplis it is not possible to search the premises, act on warrants or bills, detain, arrest, seize, charge, try or convict the perpetrator.
Mind you, the practicalities outweigh. Sooner or later even the best psychopath is going to do something else that will either cause a cessation in the crime being committed or else give someone else an opportunity to terminate the conditions of the crime, thus allowing for arrest etc.
So they can't punish a crime until it's completed/telic? Weird.
Correct. Letter of the law, you see.
Keeping armory in your house and threatening to kill the monarch will likely get you a swift invitation to meet Auntimoany's answer to Jack Ketch.
I had to wikipedia Jack Ketch. Gripping story. The kind of thing that would be written about in the Horrible Histories (The Groovy Greeks, The Awesome Egyptians, The Cut-throat Celts, etc.)
Neat history, that. I read a book about Jack Ketch (i.e., the office of executioner) throughout Britain's history. In Auntimoany, he's Jhonam Caftund
. (Regardless of what his own name might actually be.) Always impeccably dressed, always punctual, always polite. That's the motto of Jhonam Caftund. That and Punish them in a publicly educational manner as befits the horror of their crimes and the fancy of the Lords Judges of the Emperors Justice. Course, Auntimoany doesn't hold a patent on the death penalty. Angera, historically, has probably the most insane roster of cruel and usual punishments. Teleran is not too far behind. But I hold that Auntimoany does it with more flair.
Politicians (Daine don't have them, but anyway!) don't argue about it either. Among Men and many of the lesser / younger races, it (pre as well as post natal infanticide) is a reality of life. Especially among the poor, the ill educated, the socially or culturally backward. Men are prone to so many physical & mental ailments, syndromes and maladies that some families find they can't cope. Their economic & social architectures don't help any. Social stigmas, class stigmas, caste stigmas, racial stigmas all exist and often play a part in whether a baby will be aborted or dumped. Or even sacrificed.
The best teaching of Daine to early Men didn't have effect on their social evolution. The broad prevalence of Kristianity in the East has done quite a bit to ameliorate the situation and has certainly given the Philosophers some food for thought. Certainly among the wealthy classes and educated castes, infanticide is rather looked down on. It's the sort of thing that civilised folk "just don't do". Or at least, not in public. As a matter of fact, it caused quite the scandal in the broadsheets back in 1914 when the Emperor publicly sacrificed one of his (less than perfect, syndrome unknown) children in thanksgiving for a well born child. Even the most traditional of Pagan churches were all like "dude! Don't make such a spectacle of it!" Mind you, the hierarchs never actually made statements or pronouncements suppressing the practice. They just sought to sweep the practice under the metaphorical carpet.
Your humans are bloodthirsty! They are so classist, racist, and ableist compared to the Daine!
Men are Men! In that regard, they are little different from humans. Mind you, even the most modern & the most advanced and the most learned of countries lacks what we in America take for granted as historical precedent. I think they've pretty much got it all: caste and class systems, racism, speciesism, slavery. On the other hand, one thing they do lack is sexism. As I hinted at with the lecherous female Member of Parliament, women in most Mannish countries of the Eastlands are every bit as capable of wallowing in their own bloodthirst, right along with their men.
This is one reason why Serendarzhan, she's the Greatqueen of Harathalliê (or Westmarche as it's also known), is so mistrustful of Yesseraê, the Auntimoanian Empress. Can't trust a Man as far as you can throw her. And that ain't very far. And the Empress is definitely up to something. I mentioned (somewhere, maybe not CBB?) that the Hidden Queen (the real
ruler of the Daine of Auntimoany) recently uncovered a plot against Yesseraê's life. Just the kind of pretext a political wolf such as herself would need to foment a big old war in the East. It's not all unknown, among Daine anyway, that many folk of Harathalliê do not trust the lands & rulers of Men -- Daine have long memories, you know -- and the Greatqueen would almost certainly take the bait if Auntimoany tried to break the treaty.
The ball is, and really, has always been in the Hidden Queen's court. She is both puppet master and mile high tightrope walker. The Empress of Auntimoany has no idea she even exists or the power she wields over Man and Daine alike. She herself is walking a pretty tight line! And let's not forget that not too far away in the Near West lies Vana, an ally of Westmarche as are the realms of the Turghun all up and down the Canasawack and the Greatqueens of Withwandiê and Darirenalliê. Men, if they cared to open their eyes, are surrounded. Surrounded by a people who rightfully despise their evil, yet feel obligated to drag them kicking and screaming if need be into the Century of Cured Bacon. If they get ticked off enough to carry though with the race wars brewing in the West. Time might come when Men will truly be an endangered species.
I guess I'd need to know more about family dynamics in speedculture (if any, and I get the sense that there are not): do / have anyone choose to not use GST? Or is that also a matter of law? Does / has anyone intentionally sought to use GST to create a syndromed child? Deliberately making a Downs or an XO (Turner's) child?
GST is pretty much optional everywhere it's used. You can have a designer baby with blue, brown, green, hazel, or grey eyes, but maldesignation (designing your fetus to have a chromosomal disorder that wasn't originally there, or to be bicipital, or to be blind when it was originally sighted) is illegal in most non-anarchist states across Lehola that have encountered GST.
Oh, that's interesting! IGST is optional even in the lifespeeding required societies? Among those non-anarchist GST maldesignation legal societies, why is it legal there but nowhere else?
How far can progenitors go in designing their offspring? Eye and hair colour I get --- can they choose height & build? Gracefully pointed nose, sure! What about favouring one sex/gender over the other? Assuming that humans in LG have "gay gene" is that something that could be chosen? How far is too far -- where is the sharp edge of the envelope when it comes to designer babies?
Designer babies is something I've considered in The World. Not that they have genetic management techniques! But I have done some thinking about how much actual work goes into making a Daine baby (well, really, ány baby of any race but I focus on Daine). And how many odd and curious things can be done, even consciously done, to nudge the future little one into one form or another.
And the USA PATRIOT Act was a brilliant backronym: Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism Act of 2001. Did you know that it was drafted before 9/11? More evidence that Junior knew about the attack beforehand, and deliberately let it happen as grist for his neocon mill.
Politix aside, acronyms like that are just a crime against English. The perpetrator of that ought to sentenced to life at hard labour, conjugating every single conceivable English ever and in any dialect, fully in all persons, numbers, tenses, moods & voices.
But yeah. I'm not surprised such a thing was drafted before. The devious are always drafting cunning plans in advance of any eventuality. Just awaiting a convenient pretext...
Mind you, I don't care any more for the Republican or Socialist or Communist or Green or any other party's platforms. Rotten to the heartwood, each and every one of them. I did mention my preference for moral monarchy, right?
Sheesh! Give me a proper Daine queen any day and I'd be happy!
And so would you!
I wouldn't be so fond of a Mensinghian queen, but a Daine queen or a Bodusian prime councilmember sounds great.
I googled that, and also recall our (all too brief convo over in the religious influence thread).
Tell me more! Why would a Mensinghian queen be undesirable? And a Bodusian Prime Council Member be excellent? I mean, apart form the obvious awesomeness of the Bodusians themselves!
It will be interesting to see how the sophont interactions in Auntimoany pan out, what with the recent outwer-sea explorations of the Polupode realms. First contact didn't go so well, leastways for Men, who lost a decent consignment of assorted seafood! The Polupodes didn't actually seem to recognise the inherent intelligence of the Men on the quays... Kind of ironic, really.
Keep the forum posted on those Polupodes! They are the Syprian sapients or the Squibbons of The World!
I think I remember reading about his predictions . . . was it on Zompist.com? Anyway, either Asimov or Clarke predicted that more and more voters would become disenfranchised because the populace would become more peripatetic. The fear was unfounded, though, as the Motor-voter Act passed.
I'll have to crack open that book (the one that wasn't written by Asimov). I thought it would be cracking fun to write an article in response to it. You know, see how well predictions stack up to reality.
And Howe & Strauss do believe that history rhymes. In fact, sometimes they write their predictions to sound more like a circle than a spiral. (That's one of my criticisms of them: the Millennials will rally blindly around the Crisis presidents during the Crisis, while Xers repeat Japanese-American internment, except with a different ethnic group, and then we'll have a High wherein Millennials (1982-2004) and New Silents (2005-20??) put women back into the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant.)
Funny how they assume that "generations" will just fall into lockstep together according to them.
This Howie Strauss...are they Prussians by any chance? I'm just going to say this straight up: they sound honest to God just like Adolf Hitler. Mind you, I wasn't able to stomach much of his writing (I think I managed to read about 100pp of M.K. without barfing), but they make the same assumptions! That groups of people with similar backgrounds (he didn't write about generations) will just fall in lock-step with one another unthinkingly!
I don't know what generation I am, and I don't know what generation you are, but let's please not fall in lock-step with any kind of lunacy or political idiocy!
Curious the fixation on uniforms. Wonder if either of them are Prussians. Or Nazis or Socialists. They all seem to go gaga for spanky uniforms. For us, they were just cost effective clothing with a side of school spirit, etc.
A socially conservative Boomer (or a duo thereof) can dream, can't he?
I suppose... Doesn't sound like very appealing dreams to me.
Hm on the Mormon matter. I personally (and it turns in concurrence with the Church) consider Mormonism to be a separate religious tradition. Like Islam (and Jehovas Witness and some others), they descend from Christianity but are no longer actually Christian.
I can see Mormons being classed as non-Christian, like Muslims or Rastafarians. They do have an entirely new book in their canon, after all.
Rastafarianism is interesting. I often wonder what HSM Haile Selassie thought when he visited Jamaica back in the day.
Mormonism is also very interesting, historically as well as culturally and theologically. Especially it being a homebrew. And a very successful one at that.
Many Catholics go to church seven days a week. And not a few attend adoration in addition to that. As well as other devotionals.
But, at least for a deeply faithful Catholic, "going to church" I think does not entail the same set of meaning and practice that it does in the denominational churches. The church experience is just worlds different. Literally!
Interesting. I wasn't raised as a Protestant, so I don't know what the Protestant church experience is like, except from how it's portrayed on TV and in movies. Then again, I wasn't raised as a Catholic either.[/quote]
I've heard it said, by more than one convert, that the experience in the Protestant churches is one of "Christianity lite". I guess kind of like splashing about the wading pool until they were ready to jump into the Ocean. I think I'd concur.
Heh. My experience was much more like Sako's. And that's an excellent counter example: kids can (and do!) learn responsibility. That's why I'd like to know what went wrong in Dylan's experience. What Sako isn't saying is that, most likely, her parents brought her up with clear expectations and clear ideas about good and bad behaviour and the rewards and consequences of same since, literally, infancy. She learned well and chose right and now is living in teenage bliss! I suspect that, unless Dylan's parents are just little Hitlers, something precipitated the situation he finds himself in. There's got to be a sound reason why these two children's experience is so different. I don't buy that Sako just has laid back & permissive parents while Dylan lives in a family of psychos.
"I’d say that’s pretty strict. His mother is a fanatical Creationist Pentecostal Christian. She likes to beat the sins out of her children. She’s also on her third marriage.
.sigh. Beating sins out of people certainly isn't the way of going about it. If for no other reason, and if this actually true, I'd suggest child abuse is a pretty legitimate rationale for the child to rebel. A parent who's already willing to beat her children will have no issue whatsoever with creating a system of poor parenting choices. The child, not having a very loving and stable relationship with his parents can do little but act out, which will bring down ever more draconian rules.
I don't care if mom is a Creationist Pentecostal (though I am extremely suspicious of the one and ordinarily suspicious of the other); child abuse is doubleplusungood regardless of it coming from a Christian, Jew or Atheist.
Being on one's third marriage is not a deal breaker, though it does concern me how people can just toss aside a relationship without actually working at it. And that from the first assumption that divorce is not the answer.
Please don’t use the Bible as a rubric for raising a child. It just messes them up."
The Bible is actually is perfectly fine rubric for raising children. My opinion: I don't think it can be used properly by someone who does not understand what it contains or what it means. Just going to say it plain: I don't think Protestantism in general really understands the Bible. Everybody (every minister, every Christian) just makes up their own interpretation. (This is one of the starkest divisions / distinctions between Catholicism and the denominations.)
I'm going to hazard the guess that she's probably taken one or more verse out of context and applies them as she sees fit.
She doesn't sound to me like a sane person, a good wife, nor a responsible parent.
Indeed. Child abusers, if that's what's going on here, are in many ways nòt at all sane.
I noted the proscription against Harry Potter et al. (I am nòt on board with that rule!)
It's a silly rule. Probably born of a dysfunctional family life which itself is born of whatever dysfunction she brought to her marriage with the child's father. Very sad am I that the kid has to suffer when he does, actually, have the right to a stable and content family life.
Or I guess narrative magic in general. I do recall (vaguely) that there was considerable backlash against its portrayal of magic. Interestingly, the Christian backlash was pretty starkly along Catholic - Denominational lines. Where Catholics had anything to say about HP at all, the opinions varied as one might expect. Much ado about nothing seems to be the general consensus, though! Evangelicals and so forth seemed to be most vigorous in their condemnation.
Ned Flanders: "And then Harry Potter and all his wizard friends went straight to Hell for practicing witchcraft!"
Heh! Good old Ned Flanders.
ngngng ngngng ... grr! Nòt an allegory! cries the good professor! (Though I certainly understand where you're headed!)
Not an allegory for Christianity? Well, Harry is supposed to be a stand-in for Jesus, right?
I thought you were referring to Tolkien! Sorry!
Yes, I think HP could be seen as a (quite human / non-divine) allegory. Dumbledore, Snape and Potter (the three heroes of the work) all do the best they can according to their lights. Not a perfect allegory, to be sure. But there is far more to the story than just the window-dressing of magic.
If Little One had survived and grown up, I'm sure she'd be all into Harry Potter and LotR and so forth!
Wait, you're saying you have a child who passed away? I never heard about that!
Aye. I've never talked openly about it. It is, even now, such a wound. But you can find her in some of the things I've written or drawn.
BUT, if my kid ever gave any cause for such snoopage, then snooped she would be. Because that would entail an abuse of relationship on the child's part and a loss of trust on the parents'. Child would learn very swiftly what breach of trust is all about and also how very hard it is to gain trust back, once it's lost.
Sounds like the Berenstain Bears book in which Brother and Sister break Mama Bear's lamp and tell a lie thereabout, and they learn that "Trust is one thing that can't be put back together once it's broken".
But also, like with the Berenstain Bears, my hope would be only that she'd've learnt those lessons when still small. There wouldn't be a need for draconian measures later in life. My take on discipline issues (and I see this in the kiddoes of my friends) is "load up the discipline when they're young and impressionable". Like when they're two & three and four years old. That way, you've already got them thinking the right way around. Apply discipline lovingly but consistently, and by the time they're 14, you've got a wonderful little Sako who at 14 is pretty much a self-regulating and rather mature sounding kid. Parents should be proud!
Re microdictatorship. I like that word! I see parenthood as a kind of benevolent dictatorship (of the moral monarchical sort!). A child's life can be incredibly easy or incredibly difficult, and much of it really is up to the child. Especially as they get older. Assuming the parents aren't total monsters and the child is not "broken" in some way.
Yes, a dictatorship with about five citizens, two or one of whom are the dictator(s).
Well, one. Whatever the Queen says is what the lowly peons do!
But yeah. This is because, unless and until the child demonstrates an increase in self-discipline, it has to be imposed from outside. The trick is internalising the discipline before it becomes an out-of-control issue. I can see other friend's kids who are heading down very perilous roads.
Everywhere you look you have to have so many female characters, so many handicapped characters, so many ethnically diverse characters, so many homosexual characters.
Hmmmm . . . The Bittersweet Generation has:
11 female characters (Melanie Hayworth, Trina Evangelisti, Sarah Chiang, Meghan Conlan, Lindsay Bricker, Kate Kim, Nadia Kirschenbaum, Jocelyn Poirier, Judy Dahlgren, Carol Marciniak, Paulina Blumberg)
1 character mentioned to have a mental disorder (Alan Isaacs, bipolar) plus 1 unseen character mentioned to be disabled (Brian Himmelfarb, Asperger's)
3 Hispanic characters (Paul Moreno and his father Raúl, Scott Orozco)
6 Middle Eastern characters (Alan Isaacs, Rostam Zavvar, Nadia Kirschenbaum, Officer Sheldon Malinowitz, Paulina Blumberg, Richard Haddad)
1 South Asian character (Sanjay Ghosh)
3 Asian characters (Sarah Chiang, Kate Kim, Tony Pham)
3 characters known to be LGBT (Paul Moreno, gay; Alan Isaacs, bisexual; Trina Evangelisti, lesbian)[/quote]
Hmgmg. No Philipinos! I'm contacting my lawyer right away! This is a travesty of modern culture politics! There hás to be a Pinoy somewhere!
You think parents can sense that their child is going to turn out gay or bisexual before s/he reaches adolescence?
I think so. Most parents are, I believe, sensitive enough about their children that they know these things. It may be many years before the child is mature enough to understand about herself, but I think a couple good, grounded parents and a loving family would be there when she finally comes clean.
Re spirituality & religion. I don't understand fundamentalist ideology (among denominational Christians). Apart from the term having a completely different nuance than it would among Catholics. If my daughter expressed questioning the existence of God, apart from that being a normal part of a person's growth, I think it again would fall to thoughtful parents to explore that with their daughter. Breaking the kid's guitar doesn't make sense. The (excessive re)action serves no purpose other than to antagonise an already confused and truth-seeking youngster. She wants to understand. She desires to find the truth. Maybe even Truth itself. It's the parents' sacred duty (again!) to lead their children to understanding these things, not to punish them for something like that.
What would you tell a child who asked you, "If God can do anything, can He create so much food that He can't eat it all"? Or asked you, "If God is all-good and all-powerful, how did the Holocaust happen"?
Well, the actual wording would depend on the child's maturity and current state of understanding. In other words, my kid? Or someone else's? And how old? Because questions like this need to be approached in ways that kiddoes can understand.
I certainly don't believe in white-washing or varnishing the truth. A little one doesn't need to know all the ugliness, all the sorrow. That's too much for many who are older. At seven or eight, she needs to know that God has already created a wonderful universe in which this little old Earth, when properly tended by humans, can indeed feed everyone on the planet like ten times over. Because there is abundant food. You can probably guess from my opinions about Men in The World, that words like "inhumane" and "evil" won't be too far away. She doesn't need to know the particulars, but she should be aware that there are bad people in the world who do not love others and keep them from getting it (especially during times of natural disaster). She should know that in many places, they don't have the machines or the technology or the learning to produce sufficient food for themselves. More importantly, she should know that it's our job to help them when and how we can -- to counteract the inhumanity of others in our own way. You know: feed the hungry? (That's a biblical rubric for raising good children!)
Same for the German Holocaust: she doesn't need to know Hitler's deeds & mindset. (One reason to at least monitor tech use by especially young children is just that there are words and images out there that they just don't to carry the burden of until they're ready). At that age, she doesn't really need to know the difference between positive will and permissive will. She doesn't need to know about the gift of free will and how God has constrained himself when it comes to us. (Because, yes, God could easily have eradicated the Nazi mindset before the first Jewish person ever got gassed. Could have poufed Gavrilo Princip right out of existence. Could have ... You get the point: there are any of twelvety-two squintillion points of departure where God could have intervened but didn't.) She need only know that God did not want those things to happen to people (positive will); but that God allows people to make bad choices (permissive will) even though God would be saddened and disappointed when people do those bad things to each other. It's just like how Nanay and Dada are sad and disappointed when you do something you know is bad!, right Little One? She should also know that there are many more people out there that are good, or that can be enlightened to the good. That can stand up and fight against evil. That can put God's love into action. That can right the wrongs and bring reconciliation to a broken world.
Or will result in their kids growing up never wanting to have children. I'm 39 now, and I had made up my mind, back when I was a teen-ager, never to become a parent. I'm holding true to it to this day!
Oh, I don't know!
You've got some wonky politics still sloshing around in your head, but you seem to be pretty thoughtful and upright. I bet you'd make a spanking dad! (And no, I don't mean corporally punishing!)
Tagalog -- of course! California!
Yes! Yesterday, I had a dream wherein I was in a Filipino family's house. I saw an unabridged Tagalog dictionary, and given the non-Roman characters I saw in its pages you had to turn gently (one letter looked like the euro sign!), I could tell it was quite old and probably badly out of date. Then the mother of the family offered to make some lumpia for me. She took some egg yolk, then held up my white turtleneck and fried a rectangle of it until it turned yellow. She then cut it, and wrapped the piece of turtleneck around the filling to make a lumpia tortilla. The lumpia was delicious, but I kept looking at the gaping hole in my shirt.
Hah! I hope you took of your shoes when you went in and got blessings from the parents and grandparents if any were there!
Hm. You might have gotten a glimpse of baybayin
, the pre-Hispanic script!! As I recall, its origins ultimately derive from ancient India. I'm not aware of a glyph that looks exactly like a euro sign, but there are some that come pretty close!
The Visayan glyph nga
looks pretty close to a euro sign. The Tagalog glyph for na
also looks close, though both are turned 90deg.
Glad the lumpia was good! We had some the other day. mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Ha! Maybe your shirt was made from rice??
mg. Now I'm hungry...but no lumpia in the house!
I like to think the Daine are actually pretty amazing stewards of the environment. You don't find huge swathes of clear cut deforestation (well, the Forest would fight back if anyone tried!, but that's neither here nor there); you don't find oversized industrial works or strip mining or industrial waste dumping or factory livestock farming. What you do find is relatively small & orderly communities which balance wild, semi-wild and tamed Nature into an organic whole; people live within that whole as part of it, not apart from it. Urban and suburban sprawl are things you never find; the wanton cutting of trees to build tracts of houses? nope. They prefer to maintain good relations with neighbouring Forests and the peoples and beasts in them. Except Elves. No one gets along with them.
How lovely -- they're like the Na'vi! Or the Bodusians! Or the Shaleyans! (I don't
have a webpage on Shaleya up yet.) And it's good that you broke with the saw of Elves being a "beautiful", merry people in The World.
See, now you need to tell us about the Shaleya, too!
Well, Elves. Thing about them is their glamour. So, they áre beautiful and merry. Or leastways, that's what they want you to see. Then you fall under their power and they can play you! But beauty for Elves isn't even skin deep. Those are fortunate enough to be able to see them for what they are know their ugliness. And it sure runs deep!
I think that makes great sense. Would I be close to right in surmising that an individual's speedbatch, especially in the immediate post speedbirth period, is analagous to the family of an Earth human? I get the sense that speedees have little or no connexion to their birth mothers apart from the fact of having been born; and I get the sense that "family" as we know it on Earth is a concept that doesn't exist in lifespeeding societies.
Kankonia, for one, has both lifesped and non-lifesped people. Family as we know it still exists for the non-speedees among them; families just aren't as authoritarian on Kankonia as they are in the U.S. No Kankonian parents grounding their teen-age kids for dating a hot blonde Shaleyan and then having the police arrest their kids for running away when they go outside anyway despite being grounded. But kinship terms are useful for Kankonians, and even speedees will generally know their parents, similar to a Terran adult finding out the sperm donor who fathered her.
So, why would a Kankonian not want his kid dating a Shaleyan? Hot or otherwise!
This kind of family dynamic does happen among Daine families. Generally speaking, not to the same degree; and mostly in arranged-marriage cultures, as you might imagine. There are, at the opposite end, Daine who have no choice at all in the matter of who they end up with. Turghun are that way. Youngsters might engage in something like "dating" or "courting", but unless one of em's been living under a rock, both kids know that some day they'll meet their partner, their lifemate, and that'll be that.
This sounds healthier than the cosseted, not-let-out-of-the-house experience that children under 12 have in America today. I'm just glad I'm a Millennial; it must be awful to be what I call a Fifth Worlder! Plus, Fifth World boys who don't play video games are probably very lonely. And I can't imagine life without meatspace relationships with the people I love.
Indeed! That's probably the single greatest peeve I have against modern parenting is the gross overprotection. I mean, I get that you're supposed to look after your kids, but you really don't need to hover over them every second of the day and night.
? What do you mean by fifth worlder? Aztec mythology or something worse than a fourth world country?
Heh! Your take on interpersonal relationships sounds very Daine! (Though there's no cyberspace to contrast with in The World.)
Whewww! That was good talk! This is the kind of conversation I really love to engage in here. Thanks for keeping this going!!!!