Elaltk' Epal Iţkuil- Let's Learn Ithkuil

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Introduction to Ithkuil
Ithkuil is the world's most precise language, devised by John Quijada as a means of combining his most favorite non-Western languages' features into one language.Oddly enough, it was never meant to be spoken.

It is agglutinating-inflecting, consisting of sequences of affixes attached to a root consonant. The affixes themselves are inflecting. The root consonant is a sequence of consonants, 1-3 phonemes in length, that makes the basis of a word. Word order , from what I can tell, seems to be FWO.

The phonology is complex, consisting of 40 consonants, 13 vowels, and 6 tones.The basic syllable structure seems to be (C)(C)(C)V(C)(C)(C).

The native writing system is morpho-phonemic,based on grammatical inflections and the sound of the root consonant. For convience's sake, I'll be using the romanization

There are two parts of speech, formatives (noun-verbs), and adjuncts (auxillary verbs and pronouns).
Lesson 1 :Pronunciation
Section 1:Stops
/p b pʰ p'/<p b ph p'>
/t d tʰ t'/ <t d th t'>
/ts dz tsʰ ts'/ <c ż ch c'>
/tʃ dʒ tʃʰ tʃ'/ < č j čh č'>
/k g kʰ k'/ <k g kh k'>
/q qʰ q'/ <q qh q'>
/?/ <'>
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Section 1.2:Other consonants
/f θ s ʃ x χ h/ <f ţ s š x xh h>
/v ð z ʒ ʁ / <v dh z ž ř>
/m n ŋ/ <m n ň>
/w r l j/ <w r l y>
Section 1.3 Vowels
/ɑ ɛ ɪ o* ʊ a e i o u y ø ə/ <a e i o u â ê î ô û ü ö ë>
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So not to be a drag or anything like that, but did we need another thread for this?
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Indeed; there's been, what, four of these already, and none of them have offered anything past a phonemic inventory.
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Sorry,guys.
I'll post on nouns when I have time.
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Noun Morphology
Nouns consist of the pattern Stem/Pattern(to be discussed later)-Root-Case-Configuration
1.Configuration
Oh boy. This is going to be a big section.
Roots used for this section
"eq-" person
"ph-"tree
1.1 Number
1.1.1 Singular "UPX"
This corresponds to singular number in Western languages.
"eqal" person
"phal" tree
1.1.2 Dual "DPX"
This means a pair of objects
"eqall" couple
"phal" a pair of trees
1.1.3 Discrete "DCR"
This means an unrelated group of identical objects
"eqatl" a group of clones
"phatl" a grove
1.1.4 Aggregative "AGG"
This means an unrelated group of DIFFERENT objects
"eqaļ" a group of different people
"phaļ"a grove of assorted trees
That's all for today, because I want to take a break.
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I'm back again.
1.1.5 Segmentative "SGG"
This means a sequence of identical objects.
"eqaļļ"a sequence of clones
"phaļļ"a sequence of identical trees
1.1.6 Componential "CPN"
This means a sequence of different objects
"eqařļ"a sequence of different people
"phařļ" a sequence of different trees
1.1.7 Coherent "COH"
This means a interconnected group of identical objects
"eqask" a mass of similar people
"phask" a grove of intertangled trees
1.1.8 Composite "CST"
This means an interconnected group of different objects
"eqašk" a mass of different people
"phašk" a jungle
1.1.9 Multiform
Refers to a member of a "fuzzy" set
"eqakţ" a rag-tag group of people
"phakţ" a thicket
Root-Vocab
"eļn-"bird
"ad-" a name
"gr-" a sickness
"gl-" food
Exercises
1.Identify the 9 seperate number suffixes
2.Using the vocab,make new words
3.Identify what they mean
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I don't see why anyone should read this over the Ithkuil website. [:S]
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Ossicone wrote:I don't see why anyone should read this over the Ithkuil website. [:S]
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Understandable. You can go on the website and learn Ithkuil. Go and learn! I wish you good luck. However, if you have problems with memorizing the 1076th configuration(and yes, there are that many)ask me for help. I'll just give translation exercises to test your vocab and grammar.
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I fear I need at least a PhP in order to memorize that much situational grammar. :l
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threecat wrote:"phal" tree
threecat wrote:"phal" a pair of trees
"The world's most precise language" has homophonous singulars and duals?
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I think one of those is misspelled.

"tree" is "phal", "a pair of trees" is "phall". It's one of the examples the actual website uses.
Nūdenku waga honji ma naku honyasi ne ika-ika ichamase!
female-appearance=despite boy-voice=PAT hold boy-youth=TOP very be.cute-3PL
Honyasi zō honyasi ma naidasu.
boy-youth=AGT boy-youth=PAT love.romantically-3S
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Chagen wrote:I think one of those is misspelled.

"tree" is "phal", "a pair of trees" is "phall". It's one of the examples the actual website uses.
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Hey threecat, since you're so into this Ithkuil thing, I have a question for you. In most languages we have such "all" correlatives as "always", "everyone" and "everything". Does Ithkuil make a distinction among different meanings? Like if someone says about a party "Everyone had a good time", can the Ithkuil speaker make it clear that the speaker meant "everyone attending the party" and not "every human being on the planet"?
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Khemehekis wrote:Hey threecat, since you're so into this Ithkuil thing, I have a question for you. In most languages we have such "all" correlatives as "always", "everyone" and "everything". Does Ithkuil make a distinction among different meanings? Like if someone says about a party "Everyone had a good time", can the Ithkuil speaker make it clear that the speaker meant "everyone attending the party" and not "every human being on the planet"?
Yes, through word choice.
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threecat wrote:
Khemehekis wrote:Hey threecat, since you're so into this Ithkuil thing, I have a question for you. In most languages we have such "all" correlatives as "always", "everyone" and "everything". Does Ithkuil make a distinction among different meanings? Like if someone says about a party "Everyone had a good time", can the Ithkuil speaker make it clear that the speaker meant "everyone attending the party" and not "every human being on the planet"?
Yes, through word choice.
One point is that words like all and everybody must be interpreted as relative to a domain of discourse. And domains of discourse are relative to a particular context. If you were to grammaticalised domains of discourse, you could therefore end up with infinitely many grammatical forms.
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Xing wrote:
threecat wrote:
Khemehekis wrote:Hey threecat, since you're so into this Ithkuil thing, I have a question for you. In most languages we have such "all" correlatives as "always", "everyone" and "everything". Does Ithkuil make a distinction among different meanings? Like if someone says about a party "Everyone had a good time", can the Ithkuil speaker make it clear that the speaker meant "everyone attending the party" and not "every human being on the planet"?
Yes, through word choice.
One point is that words like all and everybody must be interpreted as relative to a domain of discourse. And domains of discourse are relative to a particular context. If you were to grammaticalised domains of discourse, you could therefore end up with infinitely many grammatical forms.
Indeed.
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threecat wrote:This corresponds to singular number in Western languages.
I thought most languages had a singular?
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Corphishy wrote:
threecat wrote:This corresponds to singular number in Western languages.
I thought most languages had a singular?
They do.

Apparently, this is the singular only used in the West. <.<
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