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Re: The Index Diachronica: CHRIDD'S SEARCHABLE INDEX = WONDE

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Creyeditor wrote:I've got a question for Chridd. Could you expand the search function for categories (the things written as capital letters, like B=Back vowel)?
I know this is a late response (since I haven't really been checking this forum much), but you can search for these by manually putting them into the URL: https://chridd.nfshost.com/diachronica/search?q=B

Edit to add: Now capital letters are available below the table.
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Re: The Index Diachronica: CHRIDD'S SEARCHABLE INDEX = WONDE

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Thank you so much [:)]
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Re: The Index Diachronica: CHRIDD'S SEARCHABLE INDEX = WONDERFUL

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By year’s end, I want to release an expanded (and corrected—a very nice redditor named /u/SquiDark went through and catalogued errata) version of the Index. Anybody willing to help? My goals are as follows:

- Fix typos
- Correct errors in the lists
- Get rid of the Altaic and Elamite-Dravidian headings because I’m older and wiser now
- Expand the document with further sound changes
- Make the base PDF Unicode-compliant
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CK = Classical Khaya
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Kg = Kgáweq'
PO = Proto-O
PTa = Proto-Taltic
PTO = Proto-Tim Ar-O
STK = Sisỏk Tlar Kyanà
Tm = Təmattwəspwaypksma
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Re: The Index Diachronica: CHRIDD'S SEARCHABLE INDEX = WONDERFUL

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I'm interested.
What will you be using, GitHub maybe?
I have used the Charis SIL font in the past. It supports IPA and looks nice.
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Re: The Index Diachronica: CHRIDD'S SEARCHABLE INDEX = WONDERFUL

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Man in Space wrote: 23 Jun 2021 00:19 By year’s end, I want to release an expanded (and corrected—a very nice redditor named /u/SquiDark went through and catalogued errata) version of the Index. Anybody willing to help? My goals are as follows:

- Fix typos
- Correct errors in the lists
- Get rid of the Altaic and Elamite-Dravidian headings because I’m older and wiser now
- Expand the document with further sound changes
- Make the base PDF Unicode-compliant
I've learned quite a bit more about Romance linguistics these past few years, and notice various things in the Romance language entries. Can I just post my updates here? Or in another thread?
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i would like the Hebrew sound shift of /ʕ/ > /ŋ/ removed, as it clearly never happened, and even mentioning it with a "perhaps" is likely to mislead people, as I've seen it brought up several times in conlangs. it's under "Most Wanted Sound Changes" and those are my words in the explanation.

kʲ gʲ > k g in Danish is also mine and Im not sure that ever happened either.
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Oh no, and I took this change as a confirmation than the [?\] > [N] in my conlang is plausible...
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jimydog000 wrote: 23 Jun 2021 01:51I'm interested.
What will you be using, GitHub maybe?
I have used the Charis SIL font in the past. It supports IPA and looks nice.
I’m not too familiar with GitHub (at least, not as someone who publishes stuff there) and would need some guidance.
Sequor wrote: 23 Jun 2021 17:50I've learned quite a bit more about Romance linguistics these past few years, and notice various things in the Romance language entries. Can I just post my updates here? Or in another thread?
You could, I suppose, unless the mods feel a dedicated correspondence library thread is more appropriate.
Pabappa wrote: 23 Jun 2021 20:55i would like the Hebrew sound shift of /ʕ/ > /ŋ/ removed, as it clearly never happened, and even mentioning it with a "perhaps" is likely to mislead people, as I've seen it brought up several times in conlangs. it's under "Most Wanted Sound Changes" and those are my words in the explanation.

kʲ gʲ > k g in Danish is also mine and Im not sure that ever happened either.
As you wish. I’ll have to do research about Danish.
Titus Flavius wrote: 23 Jun 2021 22:48Oh no, and I took this change as a confirmation than the [?\] > [N] in my conlang is plausible...
I’d say keep it. Rhinoglottophilia is a thing.
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CC = Common Caber
CK = Classical Khaya
CT = Classical Ĝate n Tim Ar
Kg = Kgáweq'
PO = Proto-O
PTa = Proto-Taltic
PTO = Proto-Tim Ar-O
STK = Sisỏk Tlar Kyanà
Tm = Təmattwəspwaypksma
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Re: The Index Diachronica: THE INDEX DIACHRONICA RIDES AGAIN

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There's been some talk on the ZBB about turning the Index into a more comprehensive, complete, and accurate database via a custom web site. Figured I'd mention it here too and gauge the interest, if any, in this endeavor.
Twin Aster megathread

AVDIO · VIDEO · DISCO

CC = Common Caber
CK = Classical Khaya
CT = Classical Ĝate n Tim Ar
Kg = Kgáweq'
PO = Proto-O
PTa = Proto-Taltic
PTO = Proto-Tim Ar-O
STK = Sisỏk Tlar Kyanà
Tm = Təmattwəspwaypksma
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I'd sure love to see it expanded. I'm still a beginner in conlanging, and without any academic linguistic background, so the Diachronica has so far been my main source, or at the very least a recurrent starting point for learning about historical sound changes - sort of as a "Wikipedia of sound changes" if you will. So, any added features and improvements would get my support.
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Man in Space wrote: 31 Aug 2022 07:19 There's been some talk on the ZBB about turning the Index into a more comprehensive, complete, and accurate database via a custom web site. Figured I'd mention it here too and gauge the interest, if any, in this endeavor.
Yes, please! I use the Index all the time, so I’d certainly appreciate any improvements. [:)]
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Man in Space wrote: 31 Aug 2022 07:19 There's been some talk on the ZBB about turning the Index into a more comprehensive, complete, and accurate database via a custom web site. Figured I'd mention it here too and gauge the interest, if any, in this endeavor.
I'd definitely be interested in an update. I saw some of the ZBB proposals, and they looked pretty good (bradrn's "source tier" suggestion and Moose-tache's suggestion about "collaborative tiers" recently definitely seem like a good addition to any update, as well as the ideas about sources, Wikipedia style)

I tend to use it as well, and I do quite like when sound changes are shown in context. PIE → Armenian *dw- → erk- is great on its own, but what about *tw or *dhw? Or other stop+*w clusters? So even more of that sort of thing would be so good

But yeah, an update like the ones proposed already would be awesome! [:D]
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