Metal Thread

[sangi39]

>Metal
>Music

Very funny, guys.

The joke has eluded me. O_o

In any case... This guy looks like he's having a lot of fun being superhuman.

Edit: Strangely, this guy seems to be having less fun being an outright god.

They were both AMAZING!!! Although I think the second guy was still having fun, but it looks like a he might have a slightly less expressional face (I know I have been told that I look bored even though I've been having amazing fun ).

[Ànradh]

Sorry, I was a fighting mood at the time after some insufferable metal fans (because, I'm sorry, but metalheads have the highest amount of insufferably obnoxious and pretentious people in music fandom) were trolling an EDM topic on another forum.

If it's any consolation, they're rampant on other metal videos too.
"Behemoth suck! You should listen to real metal like Cannibal Corpse!"
Sorry.. that's not quite right... :/
Let me try again!
"behemth suks u shud listne to real metal like cannible corse!!!!!!!"
There, that's way more accurate. :D

They were both AMAZING!!! Although I think the second guy was still having fun, but it looks like a he might have a slightly less expressional face (I know I have been told that I look bored even though I've been having amazing fun ).

Heh, true enough. Apparently, I don't even have a 'guitar face'. Not strictly true, they just haven't seen me concentrating to the point that I use it. ;) (On that note, Bossa Nova's fucking hard to play, man...)

[sangi39]

Sorry, I was a fighting mood at the time after some insufferable metal fans (because, I'm sorry, but metalheads have the highest amount of insufferably obnoxious and pretentious people in music fandom) were trolling an EDM topic on another forum.

If it's any consolation, they're rampant on other metal videos too.
"Behemoth suck! You should listen to real metal like Cannibal Corpse!"
Sorry.. that's not quite right... :/
Let me try again!
"behemth suks u shud listne to real metal like cannible corse!!!!!!!"
There, that's way more accurate. :D

This, I'd definitely agree with. It's not something specific to metalheads, or necessarily even the way the majority behave, but it's definitely something you notice more in Metal. Perhaps they're just more vocal about their musical tastes (a lot of metalheads I've met almost define themselves based on the kind of metal they listen to. I suppose the "west-coast vs. east-coast" thing in rap (is that actually a thing?) might be somewhat similar).

As I pointed out on the ZBB's (now non-existent Metal Thread), the "rock society" at my university was apparently "taken over" by Black Metal "purists" who almost entirely defined what music could and could not be played at events to the point where fans of other sub-genres simply left the society. Want something from Behemoth's 2009 album Evangelion, nope, Behemoth sold-out, but you can choose something from their 1996 album Grom. I had planned on joining in my second year, but after hearing those rumours I just decided on sticking with the local alternative club. You might run into people who go outside to the smoking area when a sound they don't like comes on, but at least they're not trying to exclude people or control the music.

They were both AMAZING!!! Although I think the second guy was still having fun, but it looks like a he might have a slightly less expressional face (I know I have been told that I look bored even though I've been having amazing fun ).

Heh, true enough. Apparently, I don't even have a 'guitar face'. Not strictly true, they just haven't seen me concentrating to the point that I use it. ;) (On that note, Bossa Nova's fucking hard to play, man...)

Haha, nice. I never learnt to play the guitar, annoyingly (I've thought about taking it up, though), but my brother's got basically no guitar face either, he just plays. I've never even seen him trip up on a song he's only learning for the first time, but that's probably just my lack of seeing him often.

[conlangconstructor]

I've been listening to a new song called Levitation by Fallujah and it's pretty amazing. A blend unlike anything I've ever heard. It must be listened to from beginning to end! :)

[thetha]

I just got into Fallujah myself!

[Chagen]

As I pointed out on the ZBB's (now non-existent Metal Thread), the "rock society" at my university was apparently "taken over" by Black Metal "purists" who almost entirely defined what music could and could not be played at events to the point where fans of other sub-genres simply left the society. Want something from Behemoth's 2009 album Evangelion, nope, Behemoth sold-out, but you can choose something from their 1996 album Grom. I had planned on joining in my second year, but after hearing those rumours I just decided on sticking with the local alternative club. You might run into people who go outside to the smoking area when a sound they don't like comes on, but at least they're not trying to exclude people or control the music.

This is one thing I've noticed about the metal fandom--it seems to be the most splintered and fractured music fandom by far, with so much absurd and bitter in-fighting I'm amazed you guys can consider yourselves all apart of one fandom. Metal is like the only music fandom I've seen where a new subgenre has to undergo this tortured and laborious test to even BE considered metal, and even then many metal fans will still shitpost about how it's not "TROO METAL".

Also god-fucking-forbid you mis-ID a rock song as metal, metalheads will flip the fuck out if you do.

This, I'd definitely agree with. It's not something specific to metalheads, or necessarily even the way the majority behave, but it's definitely something you notice more in Metal. Perhaps they're just more vocal about their musical tastes (a lot of metalheads I've met almost define themselves based on the kind of metal they listen to. I suppose the "west-coast vs. east-coast" thing in rap (is that actually a thing?) might be somewhat similar).

I can't speak much about Rap (though east-vs-west definitely was A Thing), but at least in EDM you don't really ever get those "I listen to [Genre] and nothing else". Right now I have two EDM compilations by Monstercat; the first one goes from Drumstep, Liquid DnB, Glitch Hop, Electro, to Dubstep in the first ten songs alone. Later on in the compilation there's a smooth and chillax Nu Disco song right next to an aggressive and violent Dubstep song. In Metal people often seem to go "I listen to [Genre] and nothing but [Genre]" and then judge every song by "how closely does it fit [Genre]". And non-metal songs simply are automatically bad because they aren't Metal no matter what.

Metal fans just seem more cliquey in general. Whenever people are asked the question "do you prefer EDM or Metal?" the EDM guys just go "I prefer EDM" but a lot of the metal guys go "I like Metal because anything not Metal is for fucking little girls and faggots!"

As for myself--I guess you could consider me a metal fan, though I generally have no interest in seeking it out because I don't really like the more violent bent to the music in most of its genres (oddly enough I love harsh vocals); though I guess some songs I like could be considered metal. Such as this. I don't know if that counts as metal or just rock; the band calls (or called since they broke up) themselves "Post-Hardcore" but they're Japanese so they might mean it in a different way.


The works of Daisuke Ishiwatari are usually considered metal; an example. No idea what kind of metal that would count as; though Ishiwatari did partner with a Japanese metal band to make the remixed soundtrack for BBCP (of which the song I posted is).

[sangi39]

Two songs I quite like today

Propaganda by Ruoska
Saatana Palvoo Meitä by Ajattara

Apparently Ajattara's acoustic album Noitumaa got fairly negative reviews, but I quite like it so meh

Oh, and I saw this video on Scuzz last night and thought it was pretty cool

Hail the Apocalypse by Avatar

And while we're talking about cool videos, I'm surprised this hasn't been mentioned (unless I missed it):

Ratamahatta by Sepultura

[Batrachus]

Metallists on a linguistics forum? Great. Can anyone phonologically explain me how to growl?

Not to be off-topic:

Eluveitie - Inis Mona
Synthetic Flesh (actually not metal)

I like Sonata Arctica, Dream Theater, Sabaton, Black Sabbath (which is not surprising as these bands are pretty famous) and more ...

[Ànradh]

Metallists on a linguistics forum? Great. Can anyone phonologically explain me how to growl?

False chord screams (see Amon Amarth, Deicide etc.): a!
Vocal fry screams (see Humanity's Last Breath, Killswytch Engage with Howard Jones etc.): b̰ a̰

[Xonen]

Metallists on a linguistics forum? Great. Can anyone phonologically explain me how to growl?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vocal_fry_register

Eluveitie - Inis Mona

Musically great, but linguistically pretty boring. From the same band, here's Omnos.

Spoiler:

Immi daga uimpi geneta,
lana beððos et’ iouintutos.
Blatus ceti, cantla carami.

Aia gnata uimpi iouinca,
pid in cete tu toue suoine,
pid uregisi peli doniobi?
Aia gnata uimpi iouinca,
pid in cete tu toue suoine?

(Aia mape coime,) adrete!
In blatugabagli uorete,
(cante snon) celilui in cete!

Vrit me lindos dubnon piseti
Vrit me lindos dubnon piseti

N’immi mapos, immi drucocu.
In cetobi selgin agumi,
selgin blatos tou’ iouintutos.

Nu, uoregon, cu, uorigamos,
lamman, cu, suuercin lingamos,
indui uelui cantla canamos!

N’immi mapos, immi drucocu.
In cetobi selgin agumi
Ne moi iantus gnaton uorega,
iantus drucocunos uoregon,
(cante toi in medie cete.)

Vrit me lindos dubnon piseti
Vrit me lindos dubnon piseti
Vrit me lindos dubnon piseti
Vrit me lindos dubnon piseti

Cu allate, papon sod urege,
eððilo de iantu in cridie.
Vedilumi: cante moi uosta!

Ne, a gnata, (cante t’usstami,)
ne uostami, ne te carami...

Boua daga uimpi geneta.
Immi trouga, lana narilas.

...nec carasumi!

Vrit me lindos dubnon piseti
Vrit me lindos dubnon piseti

[Click]

Spoiler:

Immi daga uimpi geneta,
lana beððos et’ iouintutos.
Blatus ceti, cantla carami.

Aia gnata uimpi iouinca,
pid in cete tu toue suoine,
pid uregisi peli doniobi?
Aia gnata uimpi iouinca,
pid in cete tu toue suoine?

(Aia mape coime,) adrete!
In blatugabagli uorete,
(cante snon) celilui in cete!

Vrit me lindos dubnon piseti
Vrit me lindos dubnon piseti

N’immi mapos, immi drucocu.
In cetobi selgin agumi,
selgin blatos tou’ iouintutos.

Nu, uoregon, cu, uorigamos,
lamman, cu, suuercin lingamos,
indui uelui cantla canamos!

N’immi mapos, immi drucocu.
In cetobi selgin agumi
Ne moi iantus gnaton uorega,
iantus drucocunos uoregon,
(cante toi in medie cete.)

Vrit me lindos dubnon piseti
Vrit me lindos dubnon piseti
Vrit me lindos dubnon piseti
Vrit me lindos dubnon piseti

Cu allate, papon sod urege,
eððilo de iantu in cridie.
Vedilumi: cante moi uosta!

Ne, a gnata, (cante t’usstami,)
ne uostami, ne te carami...

Boua daga uimpi geneta.
Immi trouga, lana narilas.

...nec carasumi!

Vrit me lindos dubnon piseti
Vrit me lindos dubnon piseti

Let me guess, is this Gaulish perhaps?

[thaen]

Demon Hunter
Killswitch Engage
Fit for a King
Red
Love and Death
Oh Sleeper
Nightwish

Just to name a few...

[Lambuzhao]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c55ybIOGEeU

From a linguistical point of view, would these sounds qualify as 'creaky' ?

[Ànradh]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c55ybIOGEeU

From a linguistical point of view, would these sounds qualify as 'creaky' ?

In his specific case, no; he's using false chord distortion, which is referred to as harsh voice. Another example would be Amon Amarth or (because I'm utterly shameless) me.
On the other hand, creaky voice is used by vocal fry screamers like in Lamb of God or Arch Enemy.
Some screamers mix both though, which can muddy the issue.

Can you hear the difference between them? (Genuinely curious.) I tend to find that fry screams have more of a whispered quality and a greater range, especially in the highs, than do false chord screams.

[thaen]

I'm still dying because apparently in Dinka a foreign speaker might easily confuse diarrhea, scorpions, and to swallow.

[Lambuzhao]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c55ybIOGEeU

From a linguistical point of view, would these sounds qualify as 'creaky' ?

In his specific case, no; he's using false chord distortion, which is referred to as harsh voice. Another example would be Amon Amarth or (because I'm utterly shameless) me.
On the other hand, creaky voice is used by vocal fry screamers like in Lamb of God or Arch Enemy.
Some screamers mix both though, which can muddy the issue.

Can you hear the difference between them? (Genuinely curious.) I tend to find that fry screams have more of a whispered quality and a greater range, especially in the highs, than do false chord screams.

Aha. Creaky is that 'popping', well... creaky feeling in the back of the throat. Pretty much like how I would do a pterodactyl (well, one way).

Sonically~vocally, is harsh voice (un)related to Tibetan multiple chant?

[Lambuzhao]

I'm still dying because apparently in Dinka a foreign speaker might easily confuse diarrhea, scorpions, and to swallow.

Whatever those quasi-homonyms are, I'm stealing them and using them in my to mean colonoscopy, because, yeah, when I think colonoscopy, I'm thinking
diarrhea, swallow and scorpions. In that order.

[Xonen]

me.

Neat. Have a /,,/.

Can you hear the difference between them? (Genuinely curious.) I tend to find that fry screams have more of a whispered quality and a greater range, especially in the highs, than do false chord screams.

I think I can sort of hear it, yes - although I would probably have trouble identifying it correctly if you just picked a random death metal vocalist and asked me which technique they're using... Also, I'm pretty sure I can produce more than two different kinds of growls myself, but I don't really know which parts of my vocal apparatus I'm using to generate them. Plus some of them kinda hurt, which I'm told isn't supposed to happen. Anyway.

Anders Fridén of In Flames is interesting in that, AFAICT, he uses creaky voice for almost all of his clean vocals.

[thetha]

Opinions on deathcore/metalcore? Is it real metal? Do you enjoy listening to any bands in those genres?

[Ahzoh]

Opinions on deathcore/metalcore? Is it real metal? Do you enjoy listening to any bands in those genres?

As I think has been discussed. There is no such thing as True Metal. It all exists in a continuum.