So stop stopping at phonology and get on with the conlanging already. (Believe it or not, conlanging can be a pleasant creative experience, and not, as is often presupposed, a Linguistics101 test).
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Re: You
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Re: You
Thank you!shimobaatar wrote: ↑23 Jul 2018 14:07 Welcome to the CBB, samsam!
Much more easily said than done for many of us, unfortunately.
I'm not sure if I mentioned that I'm creating an Indo-Iranian conlang, so I must make the phonology before anything because I want my conlang to be realistic/natural.
Actually, I have problems with the aspirated stops because I don't know how to use them (It's said on wikipedia that aspirated stops come in sanskrit before an original laryngeal but the only laryngeal I saw was /h/)
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Well, if you're making an a posteriori conlang, might it be better to apply sound changes and see how the phonology develops first rather than to begin by having a phonology set in stone?
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Re: You
For me, a language is a lot more than its phonology and phonotactics. And while the "How to" books tell you to start here, I'd be far more interested in looking at funky words and sentence structures than how a [ b] realizes itself around a nasal.shimobaatar wrote: ↑23 Jul 2018 14:07 Welcome to the CBB, samsam!
Much more easily said than done for many of us, unfortunately.
(About five posts posted as I was writing this, so never mind).
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Re: You
Oh, of course it is! I just mean that, for many of us, it's not easy to get past the phonology, not that we're not interested in theoretically doing so. Creative block is a menace!
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I appreciate this. But for me, and I don't consider myself clinically insane, Géarthnuns just wouldn't shut the f***k up.shimobaatar wrote: ↑23 Jul 2018 14:35 Oh, of course it is! I just mean that, for many of us, it's not easy to get past the phonology, not that we're not interested in theoretically doing so. Creative block is a menace!
We approach our projects in different ways and from different angles, and that's fine. I just wish there were things to look at other than IPA charts and Esperanto-esque paradigms from time to time.
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- KaiTheHomoSapien
- greek
- Posts: 641
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Re: You
I guess I'm fortunate that phonology is not what I'm most interested in, otherwise I might've gotten bogged down in it too. It's all about crazy morphology for me. Not that that's any less of a mire
Re: You
^thisshimobaatar wrote: ↑23 Jul 2018 14:19Well, if you're making an a posteriori conlang, might it be better to apply sound changes and see how the phonology develops first rather than to begin by having a phonology set in stone?
Sound Changes are arguably more important for a posteriori than a priori since they determine the resulting phonology.
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- Posts: 3920
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Alias(es): James Landau, Khemehekis, Savegraduation
Location: El Sobrante, CA
Date of birth: September 8, 1979
Gender: Male
Occupation: Unemployed, hoping to make it big with my rock musical and some albums
Interests: Music, popular culture/youth culture, counterculture and rebellion, politics, personality tests, psychology, history and anthropology, the future, the paranormal, crystal healing, youth rights, LGBT stuff
Favorite music: Alternative, pop/rock, oldies
Political ideology: Anarcho-syndicalist
Religion: Deist
Conlangs: Kankonian, Hapoish, Shaleyan, Cetonian, Ciladian, Tentan, Palang, Javarti, Bodusian, Hitan, Kolothan, Quispe
Other hobbies: Songwriting, playwriting, talking with my friends and hugging them, shopping for food, visiting Internet fora, taking online personality tests, watching music videos on YouTube
Where do you see yourself in ten years? A big name in popular music
Location: El Sobrante, CA
Date of birth: September 8, 1979
Gender: Male
Occupation: Unemployed, hoping to make it big with my rock musical and some albums
Interests: Music, popular culture/youth culture, counterculture and rebellion, politics, personality tests, psychology, history and anthropology, the future, the paranormal, crystal healing, youth rights, LGBT stuff
Favorite music: Alternative, pop/rock, oldies
Political ideology: Anarcho-syndicalist
Religion: Deist
Conlangs: Kankonian, Hapoish, Shaleyan, Cetonian, Ciladian, Tentan, Palang, Javarti, Bodusian, Hitan, Kolothan, Quispe
Other hobbies: Songwriting, playwriting, talking with my friends and hugging them, shopping for food, visiting Internet fora, taking online personality tests, watching music videos on YouTube
Where do you see yourself in ten years? A big name in popular music
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Squirrels chase koi . . . chase squirrels
My Kankonian-English dictionary: 88,000 words and counting
31,416: The number of the conlanging beast!
Re: You
Aliases: Niedfaru
Location: Zhejiang, China
Date of Birth: sometime in the late 1980s.
Gender: Male
Occupation: ESL teacher.
Interests: Linguistics, language, music, songwriting, poetry, nature + wildlife, space + astronomy, physics, science, history, fantasy, tabletop wargaming and modelling, tabletop roleplaying, CCGs, board games, education
Political Ideology: Socialist, Environmentalist
Religion: Atheist.
Conlangs: Other than the 16 I'm writing for a gaming project, which I can't discuss outside that project, none right now. My personal ones all died of poor quality. I've got a few to start on soon, but they don't even have finalised names yet.
Other hobbies: See Interests.
Where do you see yourself in ten years: Teaching English in Japan. Or in India doing... something...
Location: Zhejiang, China
Date of Birth: sometime in the late 1980s.
Gender: Male
Occupation: ESL teacher.
Interests: Linguistics, language, music, songwriting, poetry, nature + wildlife, space + astronomy, physics, science, history, fantasy, tabletop wargaming and modelling, tabletop roleplaying, CCGs, board games, education
Political Ideology: Socialist, Environmentalist
Religion: Atheist.
Conlangs: Other than the 16 I'm writing for a gaming project, which I can't discuss outside that project, none right now. My personal ones all died of poor quality. I've got a few to start on soon, but they don't even have finalised names yet.
Other hobbies: See Interests.
Where do you see yourself in ten years: Teaching English in Japan. Or in India doing... something...
Re: You
Alias(es): Zhan - [ʒɑn]; Nmmàli - [nm̩ 'mɑ li]. That's a syllabic m folks. I don't know if you can see the tick. I sure can't.
Location: the yoonaited states of əmurica
Date of birth: 2000
Gender: male
Occupation: Student
Interests: Phonoaesthetics. Just aesthetics in general. I'm not sure... Maybe I'd like to go to the gym nowadays. Who knows.
Favorite music: Baroque. Renaissance Motets too.
Political ideology etc.: right-ish. IDK I'll throw a few curveballs. I'm with the left on some things like environmental conservation. To me it's all transient in the end because of Christianity. Also, I support relief for the plight of the modern celtic languages and lean euroskeptic, like anybody in the EU cares what I think. I don't know, maybe their common defense initiatives are useful. Maybe I'm euroskeptic because it just seems... sketchy.
Conlangs: ðaujai. that is the romanization for /ðɑʊdʒɑi/. It's nascent I suppose. Kinda looks like some weird mix of European-ish features with bits of Japanese ambushing you from nowhere. It's for a world, but it also has personal functions.
Other hobbies: Reading history of course. Beating backheathens fratnernity members on the way to class.
Where do you see yourself in ten years? Hopefully married with a relevant and rewarding job.
Operating Languages: Native Egnlisch. Obviously. Parlo italiano; lo studio ancora. J'ai passé deux années au lycée avec le français. 日本語はまだ始めているので . . . iie. Musicae meae omnes missae catholicae sunt. Minimas sententias igitur loqueri possum. I'd like to learn some German, some old Norse. Of course, I'd like to be fluent in dhaujai, so I guess I better start getting lemmas that are practical to my daily life.
Location: the yoonaited states of əmurica
Date of birth: 2000
Gender: male
Occupation: Student
Interests: Phonoaesthetics. Just aesthetics in general. I'm not sure... Maybe I'd like to go to the gym nowadays. Who knows.
Favorite music: Baroque. Renaissance Motets too.
Political ideology etc.: right-ish. IDK I'll throw a few curveballs. I'm with the left on some things like environmental conservation. To me it's all transient in the end because of Christianity. Also, I support relief for the plight of the modern celtic languages and lean euroskeptic, like anybody in the EU cares what I think. I don't know, maybe their common defense initiatives are useful. Maybe I'm euroskeptic because it just seems... sketchy.
Conlangs: ðaujai. that is the romanization for /ðɑʊdʒɑi/. It's nascent I suppose. Kinda looks like some weird mix of European-ish features with bits of Japanese ambushing you from nowhere. It's for a world, but it also has personal functions.
Other hobbies: Reading history of course. Beating back
Where do you see yourself in ten years? Hopefully married with a relevant and rewarding job.
Operating Languages: Native Egnlisch. Obviously. Parlo italiano; lo studio ancora. J'ai passé deux années au lycée avec le français. 日本語はまだ始めているので . . . iie. Musicae meae omnes missae catholicae sunt. Minimas sententias igitur loqueri possum. I'd like to learn some German, some old Norse. Of course, I'd like to be fluent in dhaujai, so I guess I better start getting lemmas that are practical to my daily life.
Re: You
Alias(es): Tuyono
Location: Israel
Date of birth: I'm 23 (and
had no idea so many people here were younger!) [/b]
Gender: Female
Occupation: Working at a temporary job until I start university next year
Interests: Birds, biology in general, history, mythology, fantasy worlds, poetry, linguistics (duh)
Favorite music: A lot folk-ish stuff, and the rest is pretty eclectic so I'm not sure how to define it
Political ideology: Feminist, generally left of the majority of people in my country (but to be honest, I'm here to escape from reality, so let's leave it at that)
Religion: Agnostic
Conlangs: A few in the same fictional world, none of them developed enough to use yet
Other hobbies: Drawing, volunteering, being outside in nature, reading, making up silly songs
Where do you see yourself in ten years? Doing research, hopefully helping nature conservation.
Location: Israel
Date of birth: I'm 23 (and
had no idea so many people here were younger!) [/b]
Gender: Female
Occupation: Working at a temporary job until I start university next year
Interests: Birds, biology in general, history, mythology, fantasy worlds, poetry, linguistics (duh)
Favorite music: A lot folk-ish stuff, and the rest is pretty eclectic so I'm not sure how to define it
Political ideology: Feminist, generally left of the majority of people in my country (but to be honest, I'm here to escape from reality, so let's leave it at that)
Religion: Agnostic
Conlangs: A few in the same fictional world, none of them developed enough to use yet
Other hobbies: Drawing, volunteering, being outside in nature, reading, making up silly songs
Where do you see yourself in ten years? Doing research, hopefully helping nature conservation.
- GoshDiggityDangit
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Alias(es): GoshDiggityDangit, Turkish Delight, Sleight of Hand
Location: Misawa AFB, Aomori-ken, Japan
Date of birth: 9/9/05
Gender: Male
Occupation: Conlanger, Student
Interests: Alaskan Native Culture, Tlingit Language
Favorite music: PilotRedSun, Kraftwerk, King Crimson
Political ideology: Mid-Left
Conlangs: Catralian Language Group, Island-Peninsular Languages, Kumarian, Unnamed Alien Conlang
Other hobbies: Writing, Drawing, Shopping, Cooking
Where do you see yourself in ten years? Hopefully at, or just out of, UAF.
Location: Misawa AFB, Aomori-ken, Japan
Date of birth: 9/9/05
Gender: Male
Occupation: Conlanger, Student
Interests: Alaskan Native Culture, Tlingit Language
Favorite music: PilotRedSun, Kraftwerk, King Crimson
Political ideology: Mid-Left
Conlangs: Catralian Language Group, Island-Peninsular Languages, Kumarian, Unnamed Alien Conlang
Other hobbies: Writing, Drawing, Shopping, Cooking
Where do you see yourself in ten years? Hopefully at, or just out of, UAF.
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The longing of the spirit can never be stilled.” ― St. Hildegard von Bingen
The longing of the spirit can never be stilled.” ― St. Hildegard von Bingen
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Re: You
Wow! You're young!
You may be the first (regular) member of the Fifth World Generation on this board!
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Squirrels chase koi . . . chase squirrels
My Kankonian-English dictionary: 88,000 words and counting
31,416: The number of the conlanging beast!
Squirrels chase koi . . . chase squirrels
My Kankonian-English dictionary: 88,000 words and counting
31,416: The number of the conlanging beast!
- GoshDiggityDangit
- greek
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- Location: Oakwood OH, USA
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Re: You
I had a feeling, but I didn't know I was the first of something! That's cool, I guess.Khemehekis wrote: ↑28 Feb 2020 08:29 Wow! You're young!
You may be the first (regular) member of the Fifth World Generation on this board!
Looking at my post, it really needs to be updated. Neither of those languages exist anymore, I'm in Japan now, I'm more certain of my political ideas... Lots of things need to change.
“Like billowing clouds, Like the incessant gurgle of the brook,
The longing of the spirit can never be stilled.” ― St. Hildegard von Bingen
The longing of the spirit can never be stilled.” ― St. Hildegard von Bingen
- anonymous123
- hieroglyphic
- Posts: 44
- Joined: 13 Jul 2020 20:05
- Location: Kąkoma, Awating
Re: You
Aliases: a123, anon, Meso
Location: USA
Date of Birth: March 11
Gender: Male
Occupation: College student
Interests: Native American languages, gaming (MK8D competitive and Puyo Puyo Tetris), reading, history, archaeology.
Political Ideology: I'd generally consider myself neutral as I identify with neither left nor right, nor do I try to be a centrist. I guess more of my views lean left.
Religion: Don't really know yet.
Conlangs:
Main lang: Awatese, a Ngerupic language of the conworld of Sahar.
Ideas currently executing:
-Another Sahar lang called Thaghav.
-An Iroquoian language called Canocua.
Ideas currently in my head that I may execute soon:
-An Athabaskan language
-A Muskogean language
-A Chibchan language
-A Brazilian/Amazonian isolate
Where do you see yourself in ten years: Best case scenario, with a PhD doing archaeology; worst case idk yet.
Location: USA
Date of Birth: March 11
Gender: Male
Occupation: College student
Interests: Native American languages, gaming (MK8D competitive and Puyo Puyo Tetris), reading, history, archaeology.
Political Ideology: I'd generally consider myself neutral as I identify with neither left nor right, nor do I try to be a centrist. I guess more of my views lean left.
Religion: Don't really know yet.
Conlangs:
Main lang: Awatese, a Ngerupic language of the conworld of Sahar.
Ideas currently executing:
-Another Sahar lang called Thaghav.
-An Iroquoian language called Canocua.
Ideas currently in my head that I may execute soon:
-An Athabaskan language
-A Muskogean language
-A Chibchan language
-A Brazilian/Amazonian isolate
Where do you see yourself in ten years: Best case scenario, with a PhD doing archaeology; worst case idk yet.
ngąxayo peřwa a nałatą zehą, Irkąlą a tinąk a pehenątą zehą; nał a zehą, xąnituhąpąkałąpą he xąhatunąhąx; dą a zehą, xąnihąhaningnumąnwąpąnawe; nał a zehą, tan tukuhoyohoyopąnawe henąngahenąngatą a pwązi...