The Sixth Conversation Thread

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elemtilas wrote: 16 Apr 2021 03:27
All4Ɇn wrote: 16 Apr 2021 01:16 Wasn't entirely sure where to post this and hopefully it isn't too personal. I was wondering if anyone here has had any experience with losing the one contact they had to a language and I was wondering how they went about trying to continue learning it if they did. Me and my boyfriend of 3 years recently broke up and he was the only link I had to his native language and culture. I'm just trying to figure out what to do with continuing to practice it or if I even should.
First, of course, I'm sorry for your loss! Three years is a pretty good while to form a deepening relationship, and breaking that up can't possibly be easy for you!

This I don't think is terribly personal. It's basically an open query "where can I interact with people who speak X language?" where "X" is left undefined and for us to guess!

[}:(]

It's really going to depend on several personal and social components of your life: was yóur participation in his language and culture limited to only you two as a couple, or were you developing relationships with his family as well?; how invested are you in this language and culture?; how entangled were your participation in his language and culture with your relationship itself?; do you consider your post-breakup perception of him as a burden that use of the language causes you emotional upset?; as you recover from breakup, would you be much more likely to seek out another boy of the same language community & culture? Another thing to consider is where you live. (You don't tell us that either!, and I at least don't know.) But what kinds of resources do you already know about in your area? --- classes, church groups, civic organisations, restaurants, etc.

The best thing I can say is to go on line and do some basic research. If you and your bf lived in proximity (same city) You might be able to find other people from his same geographic region. Look for cultural groups and churches; if you're in school, there may well be student organisations.

If the language is relatively rare and you live in a highly monolingual region, and you determine that you'd like to continue with the language & culture association, but are willing to keep it separate from your relationships, you could look online for cultural outreach organisations or internet groups focused on that culture, perhaps in Reddit. if there's an embassy or consulate near you, you could go there and see what resources might be available too.

Lastly, the question of "should you do this" is one none of us out here can answer. I can tell you, most emphatically, that if I were in your position, I would really have no choice but to continue. Even after three years, I was sufficiently immersed in the language and culture that if I had to seek a new relationship, it would almost have to be with someone from the same region & culture. I'm no longer entirely certain I could get along with someone from my own culture. But at this point in time, we've been going on 18 years; and there are family considerations that a Native may not fully understand or be on board with.

Sorry I can't be more helpful!, but there it is!
DesEsseintes wrote: 16 Apr 2021 05:40
All4Ɇn wrote: 16 Apr 2021 01:16 Wasn't entirely sure where to post this and hopefully it isn't too personal. I was wondering if anyone here has had any experience with losing the one contact they had to a language and I was wondering how they went about trying to continue learning it if they did. Me and my boyfriend of 3 years recently broke up and he was the only link I had to his native language and culture. I'm just trying to figure out what to do with continuing to practice it or if I even should.
I freely admit that I’m only asking cos I’m intensely curious, but would you be willing to tell us what language it is?

Sorry to hear about your breakup. [:'(]

Thanks for the responses. It’s really appreciated! This is great advice too for what to do next elemtilas. The language is Hungarian actually and I’m currently living in the States
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All4Ɇn wrote: 20 Apr 2021 17:09 Thanks for the responses. It’s really appreciated!
Well, that's what our little quasifamily is for! We're here for you!
This is great advice too for what to do next elemtilas. The language is Hungarian actually and I’m currently living in the States
Oh, Hungarian!!

That's easy -- I thought it'd be something with like four speakers in the entire world.

Hungarian societies can be found just about anywhere in the US. Quite probably there's one near you!
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elemtilas wrote: 21 Apr 2021 02:05
All4Ɇn wrote: 20 Apr 2021 17:09 Thanks for the responses. It’s really appreciated!
Well, that's what our little quasifamily is for! We're here for you!
This is great advice too for what to do next elemtilas. The language is Hungarian actually and I’m currently living in the States
Oh, Hungarian!!

That's easy -- I thought it'd be something with like four speakers in the entire world.

Hungarian societies can be found just about anywhere in the US. Quite probably there's one near you!
Thanks for the links! Honestly such a big reason of why this breakup has been so hard is just the fact that it’s felt like I’ve lost part of my own culture at this point. And while I don’t think it’ll be easy at first to try and get involved with any language/cultural groups I think it would be a really good idea to do so. And I definitely feel that sense you mentioned of needing to be with someone long term with that same cultural understanding of Hungary. And while it’s a small country, you’re right that it could be a whole lot harder to find people with a lot of other languages.

A lot of these things aren’t so obvious to most of the people I know in person which is why I turned here.
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As I said before, if you don't feel ready to leap into in-person social events, you could keep engaged with the language and culture by following Hungarian media. Apparently there's about forty online Hungarian newspapers. Unfortunately, of course, this being Hungary, most of the content is likely to be either depressing and/or fascist, but presumably some of it is more light-hearted. And many international magazines have Hungarian editions - Cosmopolitan, PC World, National Geographic, etc. You can even follow along with the Hungarian football conversation at the Hungarian edition of FourFourTwo (online and, I think, also in print). [and scroll down to the bottom of the page for links to some other Hungarian sites (looks like it's part of some sort of gawkeresque media network]. And of course there's also a wealth of Hungarian literature available. Presumably plenty of hungarian radio shows, podcasts, etc. And about a dozen or more TV channels, some of which are probably available online (though of course the free-to-air content is likely to be heavily right-wing).
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All4Ɇn wrote: 21 Apr 2021 08:37 Thanks for the links!
No worries!
Honestly such a big reason of why this breakup has been so hard is just the fact that it’s felt like I’ve lost part of my own culture at this point.
Oh, of course you have! It's a kind of grief you're experiencing. Culture and memory, love and language: it's all bound up with that person who, in some way, is still in your heart. His culture and language, and your experience of it, and even your participation in it have changed you. I know this happened to me, and I think it probably happens to many people who marry or date outside their own native culture. We internalise it, and it becomes part of us. Sometimes it may even replace aspects of our own culture.

You might break up with the boy, and you'll undoubtedly get over him! But I don't know about getting over a culture! I know for me, that wouldn't be possible. It's just too embedded, too engrained.

It might be too soon for you to discern, and it's not my intention to push you or anything. Just keep it mind as your heart heals: there'll always be that soft spot for Bartok and goulash!

And while I don’t think it’ll be easy at first to try and get involved with any language/cultural groups I think it would be a really good idea to do so. And I definitely feel that sense you mentioned of needing to be with someone long term with that same cultural understanding of Hungary. And while it’s a small country, you’re right that it could be a whole lot harder to find people with a lot of other languages.

A lot of these things aren’t so obvious to most of the people I know in person which is why I turned here.
I hope we've been able to help!
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Off-topic: I assume someone's been deleting things from the Beginniner's Corner?
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Salmoneus wrote: 21 Apr 2021 21:23 Off-topic: I assume someone's been deleting things from the Beginniner's Corner?
I deleted two posts from a spambot, and a reply to them.
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I knew it was bound to happen one of these days, but . . .

Beverly Cleary has passed away.

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Khemehekis wrote: 25 Apr 2021 01:47 I knew it was bound to happen one of these days, but . . .

Beverly Cleary has passed away.

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My friend who is compiling a corpus is 90% done. From a sample of 181 million running words, he sent me a freely distributable alphabetical list of the 5,000 most common words in English. For your reading pleasure, here it is.
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Khemehekis wrote: 17 May 2021 12:33 My friend who is compiling a corpus is 90% done. From a sample of 181 million running words, he sent me a freely distributable alphabetical list of the 5,000 most common words in English. For your reading pleasure, here it is.
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Wow! What a skewy list!

I can't recall the last time Cleveland or California or candidate came up in any sort of conversation!

Bullshit, that I can understand, but there seems to be many words in that list that would only appear if conversations or discussions run along somewhat specific political tracks.

I wonder what your friend's source for these words is!
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elemtilas wrote: 18 May 2021 02:32
Khemehekis wrote: 17 May 2021 12:33 My friend who is compiling a corpus is 90% done. From a sample of 181 million running words, he sent me a freely distributable alphabetical list of the 5,000 most common words in English. For your reading pleasure, here it is.
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Wow! What a skewy list!

I can't recall the last time Cleveland or California or candidate came up in any sort of conversation!

Bullshit, that I can understand, but there seems to be many words in that list that would only appear if conversations or discussions run along somewhat specific political tracks.

I wonder what your friend's source for these words is!
I'm presuming the corpus includes written media such as news sites, speech transcripts, etc.
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elemtilas wrote: 18 May 2021 02:32 Wow! What a skewy list!

I can't recall the last time Cleveland or California or candidate came up in any sort of conversation!

Bullshit, that I can understand, but there seems to be many words in that list that would only appear if conversations or discussions run along somewhat specific political tracks.

I wonder what your friend's source for these words is!
Znex is correct. The corpus, like most corpora, is heavily text-based. He says it includes news articles, magazines, CNN and NPR transcripts, fora like FreeRepublic.com, Wikipedia articles, blogs, and other things, all of which might include political words. Although it also includes a lot of TV transcripts, movie transcripts, online fiction, song lyrics, online jokes, online poetry, and other things that are somewhat less likely to use these words.

And *I* use "California" a lot in my speech! Certainly it's among the top 5,000 words!
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So "Cleveland", "Arkansas", "Austin" and "North Dakota" are among the most commonly used words in English (NB why is 'north dakota' even considered a word here?), and yet "Edinburgh" (a massive deal in the UK not only because it's a big and old city, but because it's a synecdoche for Scotland), "Lagos" (one of the world's biggest cities and cultural capital of English-speaking west africa - Nigeria alone has over 200 million inhabitants, half of whom speak English!) and even "Delhi" (again, more than 100m English speakers, not to mention capital of one of the world's most important countries) aren't?

Hell, the list doesn't include "Westminster". So it's pretty automatically invalid! Sure, the UK is smaller than the US, but "Westminster" is a constant feature of all political coverage here - being both a physical place where lots of important things happen and famous things are located, and a metonymy for England, the government, and the political process and culture. I can promise you, it's mentioned in UK media way more than six times more than US media mentions Arkansas...

I also note with suspicion the US-specific words. OK, "Thanksgiving" is a big enough thing that yes, I can believe it's one of the most common words. But "railroad"?

Even leaving geography aside, there's some weird inclusions and omissions. You have "funk" and "punk", and, somehow, "span", and yet you don't have, say, "pun", or "punt"/"punter"? How often do Americans discuss spans!?

There are also some 'words' that are just grammatical forms of other words - "rang", for instance. If you're going to do that, where are all the -ed and -s words?

Clearly a lot of effort has gone into this, but I think some more work is needed!
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Khemehekis wrote: 18 May 2021 05:24 And *I* use "California" a lot in my speech! Certainly it's among the top 5,000 words!
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Salmoneus wrote: 18 May 2021 13:46 Even leaving geography aside, there's some weird inclusions and omissions. You have "funk" and "punk", and, somehow, "span", and yet you don't have, say, "pun", or "punt"/"punter"? How often do Americans discuss spans!?
I'd say about as frequently as Arkansas is discussed. Though, given the political slant of the list, I am actually surprised "punt" ísn't in there. Even apolitical I knows when a politician punts a question!

As for railroads, was railway not in the list? That's surprising.
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I can count on one hand the amount of times I've discussed North Dakota.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6pyvY9DeSM

Though when I tried to make a list of the 50 states from memory the one that I forgot was Vermont. [:(]
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KaiTheHomoSapien wrote: 18 May 2021 18:26Though when I tried to make a list of the 50 states from memory the one that I forgot was Vermont. [:(]
I just did a state-naming quiz yesterday and also got 49/50. I drew a complete blank on Alabama [>_<]
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I usedn't to know any of the US states... but then I looked at a map a few times. It's hard to remember 50 random names as trivia, and recall all 50 in a random order on demand - but it's much easier to go geographically across the country, remembering the outlines of the states, and using background information (even unconscious) about which states probably are near other ones, to remember the names in context. Particularly after playing around with things like the 270towin predictor tool/game for a few elections in a row. [I do, however, sometimes get mixed up between states - which is which out of New Mexico and Arizona, for instance - and I've never entirely mastered, intuitively, the shape of the northeast US coastline]. Likewise European countries - you might not instinctively remember 'Slovakia', for instance, but you can remember that the blob sticking into the side of Germany is the Czech Republic (because their adjacency is kind of historically important...), and then the small one next to it must be, oh yes, Slovakia, because there used to be a country called 'Czechoslovakia', and so on.

Admittedly, I don't actually know the names or locations of most UK counties... but nobody knows UK geography, it's a complete mystery to the world.

[the two bits of country-level geography I'm a bit hazy on are Africa and Oceania. With Africa, if you gave me a map with the borders on, I could probably label it correctly (other than Comorros/Reunion, I guess), by recognising shapes and the like, but would probably get a few things wrong if I had to draw the borders from scratch myself. (eg: off the top of my head, how do Gabon and the continental bit of Equitorial Guinea fit together?). Oceania I'm afraid I probably couldn't even label with a map....]
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