Romanization game #2
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Re: Romanization game #2
/m n̪ ɳ ɲ ŋ/ ⟨m n ṇ ñ ṅ⟩
/p t̪ t̪͡ʙ̥ t͡s ʈ͡ʂ t͡ɕ k/ ⟨p t tb ts tṣ tś k⟩
/ɓ ɗ̪ ᶑ/ ⟨bh dh ḍ⟩
/ɸ s ʂ ɕ x h/ ⟨f s ṣ ś ḱ h⟩
/β z ʐ ʑ/ ⟨v z ẓ ź⟩
/ʙ ɾ j ɥ ʟ w/ ⟨mb dd y ẅ l w⟩
/ɪ ɛ a ∅/ ⟨i e a ∅⟩
/∅C/ -> [C̩]
/ˈ/ ⟨◌́⟩
/ˈsɛɾkɪ n̪ɪˈβʟɪj ˈᶑamz∅ntɪj sɪwˈŋɪɥɗ̪a ʙa ˈt̪͡ʙ̥ɛs ɸɪɓ∅ʟˈʟɪw sjɛmˈn̪awt ˈɕwɛzzɪɾ | ˈsɛɾkɪ ˈᶑamz∅n m∅ɾˈk∅ɲɛɥ ˈxɛβɪɳɳɪt̪ hɛβɪs | ˈmɪɾt̪ɪj ʂɛn ˈsɪɾxɪs ˈkɪɸt̪͡ʙ ʙa ŋɛwt ˈhamʈɥ∅n/
[ˈsɛɾkɪ n̪ɪˈβʟi: ˈᶑamzn̩ti: su:ˈŋy:ɗ̪a ʙa ˈt̪͡ʙ̥ɛs ɸɪɓʟ̩ˈʟu: sjɛmˈn̪ɔ:t ˈɕwɛzzɪɾ | ˈsɛɾkɪ ˈᶑamzn̩ mɾ̩ˈkɲ̩̩.ø: ˈxɛβɪɳɳɪt̪ hɛβɪs | ˈmɪɾt̪i: ʂɛn ˈsɪɾxɪs ˈkɪɸt̪͡ʙ ʙa ŋø:t ˈhamʈɥn̩]
⟨Sérki nivlíy ḍámzntiy siwṇíẅdha mba tbés fibhllíw syemnáwt śwézzidd, sérki ḍámzn mddk´ñeẅ ḱéviṇṇit hevis, míddtiy ṣen síddḱis kíftb mba ṅewt hámṭẅn⟩
/ɾ/ is a short plosive consonant, not an approximant consonant
/b d ɖ ɡ ɢ/ → plosive
/ⱱ̟ ɾ ɽ ∅ ɢ̆/ → short plosive
and flap/tap consonants (short plosives) cannot be syllabic
Next:
/m mː mʷ n nː ŋ ŋː/
/p pʷ t k/
/s/
/ⱱ̟~w ɾ/
/i iː u uː/
/e eː o oː/
/ɑ ɑː/
/p t̪ t̪͡ʙ̥ t͡s ʈ͡ʂ t͡ɕ k/ ⟨p t tb ts tṣ tś k⟩
/ɓ ɗ̪ ᶑ/ ⟨bh dh ḍ⟩
/ɸ s ʂ ɕ x h/ ⟨f s ṣ ś ḱ h⟩
/β z ʐ ʑ/ ⟨v z ẓ ź⟩
/ʙ ɾ j ɥ ʟ w/ ⟨mb dd y ẅ l w⟩
/ɪ ɛ a ∅/ ⟨i e a ∅⟩
/∅C/ -> [C̩]
/ˈ/ ⟨◌́⟩
/ˈsɛɾkɪ n̪ɪˈβʟɪj ˈᶑamz∅ntɪj sɪwˈŋɪɥɗ̪a ʙa ˈt̪͡ʙ̥ɛs ɸɪɓ∅ʟˈʟɪw sjɛmˈn̪awt ˈɕwɛzzɪɾ | ˈsɛɾkɪ ˈᶑamz∅n m∅ɾˈk∅ɲɛɥ ˈxɛβɪɳɳɪt̪ hɛβɪs | ˈmɪɾt̪ɪj ʂɛn ˈsɪɾxɪs ˈkɪɸt̪͡ʙ ʙa ŋɛwt ˈhamʈɥ∅n/
[ˈsɛɾkɪ n̪ɪˈβʟi: ˈᶑamzn̩ti: su:ˈŋy:ɗ̪a ʙa ˈt̪͡ʙ̥ɛs ɸɪɓʟ̩ˈʟu: sjɛmˈn̪ɔ:t ˈɕwɛzzɪɾ | ˈsɛɾkɪ ˈᶑamzn̩ mɾ̩ˈkɲ̩̩.ø: ˈxɛβɪɳɳɪt̪ hɛβɪs | ˈmɪɾt̪i: ʂɛn ˈsɪɾxɪs ˈkɪɸt̪͡ʙ ʙa ŋø:t ˈhamʈɥn̩]
⟨Sérki nivlíy ḍámzntiy siwṇíẅdha mba tbés fibhllíw syemnáwt śwézzidd, sérki ḍámzn mddk´ñeẅ ḱéviṇṇit hevis, míddtiy ṣen síddḱis kíftb mba ṅewt hámṭẅn⟩
/ɾ/ is a short plosive consonant, not an approximant consonant
/b d ɖ ɡ ɢ/ → plosive
/ⱱ̟ ɾ ɽ ∅ ɢ̆/ → short plosive
and flap/tap consonants (short plosives) cannot be syllabic
Next:
/m mː mʷ n nː ŋ ŋː/
/p pʷ t k/
/s/
/ⱱ̟~w ɾ/
/i iː u uː/
/e eː o oː/
/ɑ ɑː/
Capital letters of ⟨β ɘ ɸ ɪ ɟ ʎ ɹ ɾ ⱱ ʍ χ⟩ are ⟨Ꞵ ∃ Φ Ɪ Ⅎ ⅄ ꓤ ꓩ Ѵ 𐊰 Ꭓ⟩.
⟨ꞵ ꭓ⟩ (Latin) are alternate forms of ⟨β χ⟩ (Greek).
⟨ꞵ ꭓ⟩ (Latin) are alternate forms of ⟨β χ⟩ (Greek).
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Re: Romanization game #2
/m mː mʷ n nː ŋ ŋː/ <m m̄ mv n n̄ ŋ ŋ̄>
/p pʷ t k/ <p pv t k>
/s/ <s>
/ⱱ̟~w ɾ/ <v r>
/i iː u uː/ <i ī u ū>
/e eː o oː/ <e ē o ō>
/ɑ ɑː/ <a ā>
Aa Āā Ee Ēē Ii Īī Kk Mm M̄m̄ Nn N̄n̄ Ŋŋ Ŋ̄ŋ̄ Oo Ōō Pp Rr Ss Tt Uu Ūū Vv
Next, please...
/p b t̪ d̪ t d c ɟ k g/
/s̪ z̪ s z ʃ~ɕ ʒ~ʑ/
/ɸ β θ ð x/
/m n ɲ/
/j w/
/l ʎ/
/ɾ/
/i y u/
/e ø o/
/æ/
/a/
/p pʷ t k/ <p pv t k>
/s/ <s>
/ⱱ̟~w ɾ/ <v r>
/i iː u uː/ <i ī u ū>
/e eː o oː/ <e ē o ō>
/ɑ ɑː/ <a ā>
Aa Āā Ee Ēē Ii Īī Kk Mm M̄m̄ Nn N̄n̄ Ŋŋ Ŋ̄ŋ̄ Oo Ōō Pp Rr Ss Tt Uu Ūū Vv
Next, please...
/p b t̪ d̪ t d c ɟ k g/
/s̪ z̪ s z ʃ~ɕ ʒ~ʑ/
/ɸ β θ ð x/
/m n ɲ/
/j w/
/l ʎ/
/ɾ/
/i y u/
/e ø o/
/æ/
/a/
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Re: Romanization game #2
/p b t̪ d̪ t d c ɟ k g/ <p b th dh t d tj dj k g>
/s̪ z̪ s z ʃ~ɕ ʒ~ʑ/ <sh zh s z sj zj>
/ɸ β θ ð x/ <f v þ ð x>
/m n ɲ/ <m n nj>
/j w/ <y w>
/l ʎ/ <l lj>
/ɾ/ <r>
/i y u/ <i ü u>
/e ø o/ <e ö o>
/æ/ <ä>
/a/ <a>
Aa Ää Bb Dd Ðð Ee Ff Gg Hh Ii Jj Kk Ll Mm Nn Oo Öö Pp Rr Ss Tt Uu Üü Vv Ww Xx Yy Zz Þþ
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/p t k/
/ɸ s ʃ h/
/t͡ʃ/
/m n ŋ/
/l j w/
/ɾ/
/r/
/i iː u uː/
/e eː o oː/
/a aː/
/s̪ z̪ s z ʃ~ɕ ʒ~ʑ/ <sh zh s z sj zj>
/ɸ β θ ð x/ <f v þ ð x>
/m n ɲ/ <m n nj>
/j w/ <y w>
/l ʎ/ <l lj>
/ɾ/ <r>
/i y u/ <i ü u>
/e ø o/ <e ö o>
/æ/ <ä>
/a/ <a>
Aa Ää Bb Dd Ðð Ee Ff Gg Hh Ii Jj Kk Ll Mm Nn Oo Öö Pp Rr Ss Tt Uu Üü Vv Ww Xx Yy Zz Þþ
Next:
/p t k/
/ɸ s ʃ h/
/t͡ʃ/
/m n ŋ/
/l j w/
/ɾ/
/r/
/i iː u uː/
/e eː o oː/
/a aː/
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Re: Romanization game #2
/ɾ/ typically patterns as an approximant rather than a plosive in natlangs (there are exceptions, like in English it's an allophone of /t d/), and it can be syllabic.Anonymous999 wrote: ↑04 Nov 2022 23:58
/ɾ/ is a short plosive consonant, not an approximant consonant
/b d ɖ ɡ ɢ/ → plosive
/ⱱ̟ ɾ ɽ ∅ ɢ̆/ → short plosive
and flap/tap consonants (short plosives) cannot be syllabic
/p t k/ <p t k>
/ɸ s ʃ h/ <H s S h>
/t͡ʃ/ <c>
/m n ŋ/ <m n N>
/l j w/ <l y w>
/ɾ/ <r>
/r/ <R>
/i iː u uː/ <i I u U>
/e eː o oː/ <e E o O>
/a aː/ <a A>
/m n ɲ ŋ~ɴ/
/p~b t~d c~ɟ k~g~q~ɢ ∅~ʔ/
/ɸ~β θ~ð s~z ʂ~ʐ ɕ~ʑ x~ɣ~χ~ʁ~h~ɦ/
/r~ɾ j~ɥ w/
/i y ɯ u e ø ɤ o a ɶ/
/ˈ ˌ/
/ˈaðɤɸʂɤm ˈxβiʑajβɯ yθ ˈɕejdraʔaq ˈsxuɲon | ʂa køm ˌtiðeˈdikse ˈsxuŋot us ˈqobmu ˈmeðna ho ˈnamaɦaq || ˈtadrɤ ho ˈhaβaq | ˈunduʂ mɤt sot ˈmaðna pres ˈsxibraq sja ˈmeʔirzej ˈβoɲu ˈhumu θɶp ˈsxizɰaj ˈtsøɲø tsoˈbozmu ˈsxuzroχ ɯʂ ŋɶr ˈmeðeɸʂat ˈxβidaq ˈβɤʐɯdɯ xno sja nis ˈmeder xnoj ˈtuðoɟot ˈɶɦo sxiˈkθiʑrebaq xnu | ʂo ˈmudɶq sja ˈmeðeɸɕaɴ ˈxnoɥu ˈtɕiʔaq sja ˌmɤðɤˈʔɯɾɤq || ˈmazej ˈθenri ho ˈɕotxuʔɶqˈtsenaʂ xnu/
Re: Romanization game #2
/m n ɲ ŋ~ɴ/ <m n ɲ ŋ>
/p~b t~d c~ɟ k~g~q~ɢ ∅~ʔ/ <p t c k q>
/ɸ~β θ~ð s~z ʂ~ʐ ɕ~ʑ x~ɣ~χ~ʁ~h~ɦ/ <f z s š x h>
/r~ɾ j~ɥ ɰ~w/ <r j w>
/i y ɯ u e ø ɤ o a ɶ/ <i y ư u e ø ơ o a œ>
/V ˈV ˌV/ <V V́ V̀>
Aa Áá Àà Cc Ee Éé Èè Ff Hh Ii Íí Ìì Jj Kk Mm Nn Ɲɲ Ŋŋ Oo Óó Òò Ơơ Ớớ Ờờ Øø Ǿǿ Ø̀ø̀ Œœ Œ́œ́ Œ̀œ̀ Pp Qq Rr Ss Šš Tt Uu Úú Ùù Ưư Ứứ Ừừ Ww Xx Yy Ýý Ỳỳ Zz
/ˈaθɤɸʂɤm ˈxɸiɕajɸɯ yθ ˈɕejtraʔak ˈsxuɲon | ʂa køm ˌtiθeˈtikse ˈsxuŋot us ˈkopmu ˈmeθna xo ˈnamaxak || ˈtatrɤ xo ˈxaɸak | ˈuntuʂ mɤt sot ˈmaθna pres ˈsxiprak sja ˈmeʔirsej ˈɸoɲu ˈxumu θɶp ˈsxisɰaj ˈtsøɲø tsoˈposmu ˈsxusrox ɯʂ ŋɶr ˈmeθeɸʂat ˈxɸitak ˈɸɤʂɯtɯ xno sja nis ˈmeter xnoj ˈtuθocot ˈɶxo sxiˈkθiɕrepak xnu | ʂo ˈmutɶk sja ˈmeθeɸɕaŋ ˈxnoju ˈtɕiʔak sja ˌmɤθɤˈʔɯrɤk || ˈmasej ˈθenri xo ˈɕotxuʔɶkˈtsenaʂ xnu/
[ˈaðɤɸʂɤm ˈxβiʑajβɯ yθ ˈɕejdraʔaq ˈsxuɲon | ʂa køm ˌtiðeˈdikse ˈsxuŋot us ˈqobmu ˈmeðna ho ˈnamaɦaq || ˈtadrɤ ho ˈhaβaq | ˈunduʂ mɤt sot ˈmaðna pres ˈsxibraq sja ˈmeʔirzej ˈβoɲu ˈhumu θɶp ˈsxizɰaj ˈtsøɲø tsoˈbozmu ˈsxuzroχ ɯʂ ŋɶr ˈmeðeɸʂat ˈxβidaq ˈβɤʐɯdɯ xno sja nis ˈmeder xnoj ˈtuðoɟot ˈɶɦo sxiˈkθiʑrebaq xnu | ʂo ˈmudɶq sja ˈmeðeɸɕaɴ ˈxnoɥu ˈtɕiʔaq sja ˌmɤðɤˈʔɯɾɤq || ˈmazej ˈθenri ho ˈɕotxuʔɶqˈtsenaʂ xnu]
<Ázơfšơm hfíxajfư yz xéjtraqak shúɲon, ša køm tìzetíkse shúŋot us kópmu mézna ho námahak. Tátrơ ho háfak, úntuš mơt sot mázna pres shíprak sja méqirsej fóɲu húmu zœp shíswaj tsǿɲø tsopósmu shúsroh ưš ŋœr mézefšat hfítak fớšưtư hno sja nis méter hnoj túzocot œ́ho shikzíxrepak hnu, šo mútœk sja mézefxaŋ hnóju txíqak sja mờzơqứrơk. Másej zénri ho xóthuqœktsénaš hnu.>
([ɰ] appears in the example, but not in the inventory above, so I've assumed [ɰ~w] to go along with [j~ɥ].)
Next:
/p t k/
/s ɬ ʃ h/
/t͡ʃ/
/m n ɲ/
/l j ɰ w/
/ɾ/
/i iː u uː/
/e eː o oː/
/a aː/
/p~b t~d c~ɟ k~g~q~ɢ ∅~ʔ/ <p t c k q>
/ɸ~β θ~ð s~z ʂ~ʐ ɕ~ʑ x~ɣ~χ~ʁ~h~ɦ/ <f z s š x h>
/r~ɾ j~ɥ ɰ~w/ <r j w>
/i y ɯ u e ø ɤ o a ɶ/ <i y ư u e ø ơ o a œ>
/V ˈV ˌV/ <V V́ V̀>
Aa Áá Àà Cc Ee Éé Èè Ff Hh Ii Íí Ìì Jj Kk Mm Nn Ɲɲ Ŋŋ Oo Óó Òò Ơơ Ớớ Ờờ Øø Ǿǿ Ø̀ø̀ Œœ Œ́œ́ Œ̀œ̀ Pp Qq Rr Ss Šš Tt Uu Úú Ùù Ưư Ứứ Ừừ Ww Xx Yy Ýý Ỳỳ Zz
/ˈaθɤɸʂɤm ˈxɸiɕajɸɯ yθ ˈɕejtraʔak ˈsxuɲon | ʂa køm ˌtiθeˈtikse ˈsxuŋot us ˈkopmu ˈmeθna xo ˈnamaxak || ˈtatrɤ xo ˈxaɸak | ˈuntuʂ mɤt sot ˈmaθna pres ˈsxiprak sja ˈmeʔirsej ˈɸoɲu ˈxumu θɶp ˈsxisɰaj ˈtsøɲø tsoˈposmu ˈsxusrox ɯʂ ŋɶr ˈmeθeɸʂat ˈxɸitak ˈɸɤʂɯtɯ xno sja nis ˈmeter xnoj ˈtuθocot ˈɶxo sxiˈkθiɕrepak xnu | ʂo ˈmutɶk sja ˈmeθeɸɕaŋ ˈxnoju ˈtɕiʔak sja ˌmɤθɤˈʔɯrɤk || ˈmasej ˈθenri xo ˈɕotxuʔɶkˈtsenaʂ xnu/
[ˈaðɤɸʂɤm ˈxβiʑajβɯ yθ ˈɕejdraʔaq ˈsxuɲon | ʂa køm ˌtiðeˈdikse ˈsxuŋot us ˈqobmu ˈmeðna ho ˈnamaɦaq || ˈtadrɤ ho ˈhaβaq | ˈunduʂ mɤt sot ˈmaðna pres ˈsxibraq sja ˈmeʔirzej ˈβoɲu ˈhumu θɶp ˈsxizɰaj ˈtsøɲø tsoˈbozmu ˈsxuzroχ ɯʂ ŋɶr ˈmeðeɸʂat ˈxβidaq ˈβɤʐɯdɯ xno sja nis ˈmeder xnoj ˈtuðoɟot ˈɶɦo sxiˈkθiʑrebaq xnu | ʂo ˈmudɶq sja ˈmeðeɸɕaɴ ˈxnoɥu ˈtɕiʔaq sja ˌmɤðɤˈʔɯɾɤq || ˈmazej ˈθenri ho ˈɕotxuʔɶqˈtsenaʂ xnu]
<Ázơfšơm hfíxajfư yz xéjtraqak shúɲon, ša køm tìzetíkse shúŋot us kópmu mézna ho námahak. Tátrơ ho háfak, úntuš mơt sot mázna pres shíprak sja méqirsej fóɲu húmu zœp shíswaj tsǿɲø tsopósmu shúsroh ưš ŋœr mézefšat hfítak fớšưtư hno sja nis méter hnoj túzocot œ́ho shikzíxrepak hnu, šo mútœk sja mézefxaŋ hnóju txíqak sja mờzơqứrơk. Másej zénri ho xóthuqœktsénaš hnu.>
([ɰ] appears in the example, but not in the inventory above, so I've assumed [ɰ~w] to go along with [j~ɥ].)
Next:
/p t k/
/s ɬ ʃ h/
/t͡ʃ/
/m n ɲ/
/l j ɰ w/
/ɾ/
/i iː u uː/
/e eː o oː/
/a aː/
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Re: Romanization game #2
I think the approximant R is /ɹ/, not /ɾ/. Because the syllabic of /ɹ/ is /ɚ/.ɶʙ ɞʛ wrote: ↑05 Nov 2022 19:15/ɾ/ typically patterns as an approximant rather than a plosive in natlangs (there are exceptions, like in English it's an allophone of /t d/), and it can be syllabic.Anonymous999 wrote: ↑04 Nov 2022 23:58
/ɾ/ is a short plosive consonant, not an approximant consonant
/b d ɖ ɡ ɢ/ → plosive
/ⱱ̟ ɾ ɽ ∅ ɢ̆/ → short plosive
and flap/tap consonants (short plosives) cannot be syllabic
/p t k/ ⟨p t k⟩
/s ɬ ʃ h/ ⟨s ł š h⟩
/t͡ʃ/ ⟨c⟩
/m n ɲ/ ⟨m n ñ⟩
/l j ɰ w/ ⟨l j g b⟩
/ɾ/ ⟨d⟩
/i iː u uː/ ⟨i y u w⟩
/e eː o oː/ ⟨e é o ó⟩
/a aː/ ⟨a á⟩
Next:
/m n ŋ/
/p t k/
/ɸ s x/
/l/
/i u/
/ɛ ɔ/
/ä/
Capital letters of ⟨β ɘ ɸ ɪ ɟ ʎ ɹ ɾ ⱱ ʍ χ⟩ are ⟨Ꞵ ∃ Φ Ɪ Ⅎ ⅄ ꓤ ꓩ Ѵ 𐊰 Ꭓ⟩.
⟨ꞵ ꭓ⟩ (Latin) are alternate forms of ⟨β χ⟩ (Greek).
⟨ꞵ ꭓ⟩ (Latin) are alternate forms of ⟨β χ⟩ (Greek).
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Re: Romanization game #2
/p t k/ <p t k>
/s ɬ ʃ h/ <s ś š h>
/t͡ʃ/ <c>
/m n ɲ/ <m n ñ>
/l j ɰ w/ <l y ẅ w>
/ɾ/ <r>
/i iː u uː/ <i ī u ū>
/e eː o oː/ <e ē o ō>
/a aː/ <a ā>
Aa Āā Cc Ee Ēē Hh Ii Īī Kk Ll Mm Nn Ññ Oo Ōō Pp Rr Ss Śś Šš Tt Uu Ūū Ww Ẅẅ Yy
/m n ŋ/ <m n g>
/p t k/ <p t k>
/ɸ s x/ <f s x>
/l/ <l>
/i u/ <i u>
/ɛ ɔ/ <e o>
/ä/ <a>
Aa Ee Gg Ii Kk Ll Mm Nn Oo Pp Ss Tt Uu Xx
Next, please...
/t tʰ d dʰ k kʰ g gʰ q qʰ/
/s sʰ z zʰ x xʰ ɣ ɣʰ/
/m n/
/j w/
/l/
/ɾ*/
*is NOT a plosive, is a tap and acts as a regular rhotic
/i u/
/e o/
/a/
/s ɬ ʃ h/ <s ś š h>
/t͡ʃ/ <c>
/m n ɲ/ <m n ñ>
/l j ɰ w/ <l y ẅ w>
/ɾ/ <r>
/i iː u uː/ <i ī u ū>
/e eː o oː/ <e ē o ō>
/a aː/ <a ā>
Aa Āā Cc Ee Ēē Hh Ii Īī Kk Ll Mm Nn Ññ Oo Ōō Pp Rr Ss Śś Šš Tt Uu Ūū Ww Ẅẅ Yy
/m n ŋ/ <m n g>
/p t k/ <p t k>
/ɸ s x/ <f s x>
/l/ <l>
/i u/ <i u>
/ɛ ɔ/ <e o>
/ä/ <a>
Aa Ee Gg Ii Kk Ll Mm Nn Oo Pp Ss Tt Uu Xx
The fact is that /ɾ/ is not in most languages treated as a plosive. They pattern with approximants and other rhotics.Anonymous999 wrote: ↑05 Nov 2022 23:53I think the approximant R is /ɹ/, not /ɾ/. Because the syllabic of /ɹ/ is /ɚ/.ɶʙ ɞʛ wrote: ↑05 Nov 2022 19:15/ɾ/ typically patterns as an approximant rather than a plosive in natlangs (there are exceptions, like in English it's an allophone of /t d/), and it can be syllabic.Anonymous999 wrote: ↑04 Nov 2022 23:58
/ɾ/ is a short plosive consonant, not an approximant consonant
/b d ɖ ɡ ɢ/ → plosive
/ⱱ̟ ɾ ɽ ∅ ɢ̆/ → short plosive
and flap/tap consonants (short plosives) cannot be syllabic
Next, please...
/t tʰ d dʰ k kʰ g gʰ q qʰ/
/s sʰ z zʰ x xʰ ɣ ɣʰ/
/m n/
/j w/
/l/
/ɾ*/
*is NOT a plosive, is a tap and acts as a regular rhotic
/i u/
/e o/
/a/
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Re: Romanization game #2
/t tʰ d dʰ k kʰ g gʰ q qʰ/ <t th d dh k kh g gh q qh>
/s sʰ z zʰ x xʰ ɣ ɣʰ/ <s sh z zh x xh ɣ ɣh>
/m n/ <m n>
/j w/ <y w>
/l/ <l>
/ɾ/ <r>
/i u/ <i u>
/e o/ <e o>
/a/ <a>
Aa Dd Ee Gg Hh Ii Kk Ll Mm Nn Oo Qq Rr Ss Tt Uu Ww Xx Yy Zz Ɣɣ
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/p b t d k ʔ/
/f s ʃ x h/
/t͡ʃ/
/m n ɲ ŋ/
/ʋ l j w/
/ɺ/
/i u/
/e o/
/a/
/s sʰ z zʰ x xʰ ɣ ɣʰ/ <s sh z zh x xh ɣ ɣh>
/m n/ <m n>
/j w/ <y w>
/l/ <l>
/ɾ/ <r>
/i u/ <i u>
/e o/ <e o>
/a/ <a>
Aa Dd Ee Gg Hh Ii Kk Ll Mm Nn Oo Qq Rr Ss Tt Uu Ww Xx Yy Zz Ɣɣ
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/p b t d k ʔ/
/f s ʃ x h/
/t͡ʃ/
/m n ɲ ŋ/
/ʋ l j w/
/ɺ/
/i u/
/e o/
/a/
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Re: Romanization game #2
/p b t d k ʔ/ ⟨p b t d k x ’⟩
/f s ʃ x h/ ⟨f s x c h⟩
/t͡ʃ/ ⟨ć⟩
/m n ɲ ŋ/ ⟨m n ń g⟩
/ʋ l j w/ ⟨v l y w⟩
/ɺ/ ⟨r⟩
/i u/ ⟨i u⟩
/e o/ ⟨e o⟩
/a/ ⟨a⟩
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/m n ɲ ŋ/
/p b t d t̠͡ʃ d̠͡ʒ k ɡ ʔ/
/s z ʃ ʒ h/
/ɹ l j ʎ w/
/i ɪ ʊ u/
/e ə o/
/ɛ æ ä ɔ/
/äɪ̯ äʊ̯ ɔɪ̯/
/◌ː/
/ʔäːɪ̯ d̠͡ʒəswänə t̠͡ʃɛʎu häwämpiːlɪːŋ | ɡɔʔə mekju ʔändəstæn ‖ nɛbəɡənə ɡɪːb juːwäːp | nɛbəɡənə lɛːt̠͡ʃuː dä.äʊ̯n | nɛbəɡənə ɹäːʊ̯nəɹäːʊ̯næn dɪzəːt̠͡ʃuː ‖/
/f s ʃ x h/ ⟨f s x c h⟩
/t͡ʃ/ ⟨ć⟩
/m n ɲ ŋ/ ⟨m n ń g⟩
/ʋ l j w/ ⟨v l y w⟩
/ɺ/ ⟨r⟩
/i u/ ⟨i u⟩
/e o/ ⟨e o⟩
/a/ ⟨a⟩
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/m n ɲ ŋ/
/p b t d t̠͡ʃ d̠͡ʒ k ɡ ʔ/
/s z ʃ ʒ h/
/ɹ l j ʎ w/
/i ɪ ʊ u/
/e ə o/
/ɛ æ ä ɔ/
/äɪ̯ äʊ̯ ɔɪ̯/
/◌ː/
/ʔäːɪ̯ d̠͡ʒəswänə t̠͡ʃɛʎu häwämpiːlɪːŋ | ɡɔʔə mekju ʔändəstæn ‖ nɛbəɡənə ɡɪːb juːwäːp | nɛbəɡənə lɛːt̠͡ʃuː dä.äʊ̯n | nɛbəɡənə ɹäːʊ̯nəɹäːʊ̯næn dɪzəːt̠͡ʃuː ‖/
Capital letters of ⟨β ɘ ɸ ɪ ɟ ʎ ɹ ɾ ⱱ ʍ χ⟩ are ⟨Ꞵ ∃ Φ Ɪ Ⅎ ⅄ ꓤ ꓩ Ѵ 𐊰 Ꭓ⟩.
⟨ꞵ ꭓ⟩ (Latin) are alternate forms of ⟨β χ⟩ (Greek).
⟨ꞵ ꭓ⟩ (Latin) are alternate forms of ⟨β χ⟩ (Greek).
Re: Romanization game #2
/m n ɲ ŋ/ <m n ň ŋ>
/p b t d t̠͡ʃ d̠͡ʒ k g ʔ/ <p b t d ť ď k g q>
/s z ʃ ʒ h/ <s z š ž h>
/ɹ l j ʎ w/ <r l j ľ v>
/i ɪ ʊ u/ <i y w u>
/e ə o/ <e ə o>
/ɛ æ ä ɔ/ <ɛ æ a ɔ>
/äɪ̯ äʊ̯ ɔɪ̯/ <ay aw ɔy>
/◌ː/ <V́>
Aa Áá Ææ Ǽǽ Bb Dd Ďď Ee Éé Ɛɛ Ɛ́ɛ́ Əə Ə́ə́ Gg Hh Ii Íí Jj Kk Ll Ľľ Mm Nn Ňň Ŋŋ Oo Óó Ɔɔ Ɔ́ɔ́ Pp Qq Rr Ss Šš Tt Ťť Uu Úú Vv Ww Ẃẃ Yy Ýý Zz Žž
/ʔäːɪ̯ d̠͡ʒəswänə t̠͡ʃɛʎu häwämpiːlɪːŋ | gɔʔə mekju ʔändəstæn ‖ nɛbəgənə gɪːb juːwäːp | nɛbəgənə lɛːt̠͡ʃuː dä.äʊ̯n | nɛbəgənə ɹäːʊ̯nəɹäːʊ̯næn dɪzəːt̠͡ʃuː/
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/p b t d k ʔ/
/f v θ ð s z ʃ ʒ x ɣ h/
/t͡s d͡z t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/
/m n ɲ ŋ/
/l j ʎ w/
/r ʀ/
/i iː y yː ɯ ɯː u uː/
/e eː o oː/
/œ œː ʌ ʌː/
/a aː ɒ ɒː/
/p b t d t̠͡ʃ d̠͡ʒ k g ʔ/ <p b t d ť ď k g q>
/s z ʃ ʒ h/ <s z š ž h>
/ɹ l j ʎ w/ <r l j ľ v>
/i ɪ ʊ u/ <i y w u>
/e ə o/ <e ə o>
/ɛ æ ä ɔ/ <ɛ æ a ɔ>
/äɪ̯ äʊ̯ ɔɪ̯/ <ay aw ɔy>
/◌ː/ <V́>
Aa Áá Ææ Ǽǽ Bb Dd Ďď Ee Éé Ɛɛ Ɛ́ɛ́ Əə Ə́ə́ Gg Hh Ii Íí Jj Kk Ll Ľľ Mm Nn Ňň Ŋŋ Oo Óó Ɔɔ Ɔ́ɔ́ Pp Qq Rr Ss Šš Tt Ťť Uu Úú Vv Ww Ẃẃ Yy Ýý Zz Žž
/ʔäːɪ̯ d̠͡ʒəswänə t̠͡ʃɛʎu häwämpiːlɪːŋ | gɔʔə mekju ʔändəstæn ‖ nɛbəgənə gɪːb juːwäːp | nɛbəgənə lɛːt̠͡ʃuː dä.äʊ̯n | nɛbəgənə ɹäːʊ̯nəɹäːʊ̯næn dɪzəːt̠͡ʃuː/
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/p b t d k ʔ/
/f v θ ð s z ʃ ʒ x ɣ h/
/t͡s d͡z t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/
/m n ɲ ŋ/
/l j ʎ w/
/r ʀ/
/i iː y yː ɯ ɯː u uː/
/e eː o oː/
/œ œː ʌ ʌː/
/a aː ɒ ɒː/
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Re: Romanization game #2
/p b t d k ʔ/ <p b t d k ->
/f v θ ð s z ʃ ʒ x ɣ h/ <f v ṭ ḍ s z ṣ ẓ h ğ +>
/t͡s d͡z t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ <c x c̣ x̣>
/m n ɲ ŋ/ <m n ṇ ŋ>
/l j ʎ w/ <l y ḷ w>
/r ʀ/ <r r̆>
/i iː y yː ɯ ɯː u uː/ <i ii ü üü ï ïï u uu>
/e eː o oː/ <e ee o oo>
/œ œː ʌ ʌː/ <ö öö ë ëë>
/a aː ɒ ɒː/ <ä ää a aa>
Cursed phoneme time
/m n ɲ ŋ ɴ/
/p t t͡ɬ t͡ʃ c k q ʔ/
/b d d͡ɮ d͡ʒ ɟ g ɢ/
/m͡b n͡d n͡d͜z n͡d͜ɮ n͡d͜ʒ ɲ͡ɟ ŋ͡g ɴ͡ɢ/
/f s ɬ ʃ x ħ h/
/v z ɮ ʒ ɣ/
/w ɾ j ʟ̠/
/ʩ/
/ˡᵐʰp͡ɸ'ʰˤˠʷʲ/
/i ɪ e ɛ a ɔ o ʊ u/
/naɣjɛ dvon fɔʟ̠ta | mnɪ ʩɔgɾɪ ɟezjɛʟ̠ta vziʟ̠ɛn͡da ɣjɛ an͡d͜ɮoɾɪ fisˡᵐʰp͡ɸ'ʰˤˠʷʲaq t͡ʃɛɾŋ͡ga ɣɾɛd͡ɮɪsin mnɪ ʃʊtxwaʟ̠/
/f v θ ð s z ʃ ʒ x ɣ h/ <f v ṭ ḍ s z ṣ ẓ h ğ +>
/t͡s d͡z t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ <c x c̣ x̣>
/m n ɲ ŋ/ <m n ṇ ŋ>
/l j ʎ w/ <l y ḷ w>
/r ʀ/ <r r̆>
/i iː y yː ɯ ɯː u uː/ <i ii ü üü ï ïï u uu>
/e eː o oː/ <e ee o oo>
/œ œː ʌ ʌː/ <ö öö ë ëë>
/a aː ɒ ɒː/ <ä ää a aa>
Cursed phoneme time
/m n ɲ ŋ ɴ/
/p t t͡ɬ t͡ʃ c k q ʔ/
/b d d͡ɮ d͡ʒ ɟ g ɢ/
/m͡b n͡d n͡d͜z n͡d͜ɮ n͡d͜ʒ ɲ͡ɟ ŋ͡g ɴ͡ɢ/
/f s ɬ ʃ x ħ h/
/v z ɮ ʒ ɣ/
/w ɾ j ʟ̠/
/ʩ/
/ˡᵐʰp͡ɸ'ʰˤˠʷʲ/
/i ɪ e ɛ a ɔ o ʊ u/
/naɣjɛ dvon fɔʟ̠ta | mnɪ ʩɔgɾɪ ɟezjɛʟ̠ta vziʟ̠ɛn͡da ɣjɛ an͡d͜ɮoɾɪ fisˡᵐʰp͡ɸ'ʰˤˠʷʲaq t͡ʃɛɾŋ͡ga ɣɾɛd͡ɮɪsin mnɪ ʃʊtxwaʟ̠/
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Re: Romanization game #2
/m n ɲ ŋ ɴ/ ⟨m n ñ ŋ ƞ⟩
/p t t͡ɬ t͡ʃ c k q ʔ/ ⟨p t ƛ ç č k q x⟩
/b d d͡ɮ d͡ʒ ɟ g ɢ/ ⟨ʙ d λ 𝑔 ǰ ɡ ɠ⟩
/m͡b n͡d n͡d͜z n͡d͜ɮ n͡d͜ʒ ɲ͡ɟ ŋ͡g ɴ͡ɢ/ ⟨mb nd nd↘z nd↘l nd↘ž ñǰ ŋɡ ƞɠ⟩
/f s ɬ ʃ x ħ h/ ⟨f s ł š ḳ ḫ h⟩
/v z ɮ ʒ ɣ/ ⟨v z l ž ү⟩
/w ɾ j ʟ̠/ ⟨u~ŭ dh i~ĭ ɫ⟩
/ʩ/ ⟨ь⟩
/ˡᵐʰp͡ɸ'ʰˤˠʷʲ/ ⟨314159265358973⟩
/i ɪ e ɛ a ɔ o ʊ u/ ⟨í~i ı e a á å o y ú~u⟩
/naɣjɛ dvon fɔʟ̠ta | mnɪ ʩɔgɾɪ ɟezjɛʟ̠ta vziʟ̠ɛn͡da ɣjɛ an͡d͜ɮoɾɪ fisˡᵐʰp͡ɸ'ʰˤˠʷʲaq t͡ʃɛɾŋ͡ga ɣɾɛd͡ɮɪsin mnɪ ʃʊtxwaʟ̠/
⟨náүia dvon fåɫtá, mnı ьåɡdhı ǰeziaɫtá vziɫandá үia ánd↘lodhɪ fis314159265358973áq çadhŋɡá үdhaλısin mnı šytḳwáɫ⟩
Aa Áá Åå Bʙ Čč Çç Dd Ee Ff G𝑔 Ɠɠ Ɡɡ Yү Hh Ḫḫ Iı İi Íí Ĭĭ J̌ǰ Kk Ll Łł Ɫɫ Λλ ƛ Mm Nn Ññ Ŋŋ Ƞƞ Oo Pp Qq Ss Tt Uu Úú Ŭŭ Vv Xx Уy Zz Žž ↘ 314159265358973
/ɾ/ is a flap/tap/short plosive, not an approximant.
Try you hear a Blackpink’s song, it spells 마지막처럼 /mɐd̠͡ʑimɐk t̠͡ɕʰʌ̹ɾʌ̹m/ ⟨majimak cheoreom⟩ as 마지막처덤 [mɐd̠͡ʑimɐk t̠͡ɕʰʌ̹dʌ̹m] ⟨majimak cheodeom⟩ as well as ordinary Korean spellings; also /ɾ/ is an allophone of /d/ in Filipino/Tagalog intervocally.
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/m n ŋ/
/p t k/
/f s h/
/l/
/i u/
/ɛ ɔ/
/ä/
/p t t͡ɬ t͡ʃ c k q ʔ/ ⟨p t ƛ ç č k q x⟩
/b d d͡ɮ d͡ʒ ɟ g ɢ/ ⟨ʙ d λ 𝑔 ǰ ɡ ɠ⟩
/m͡b n͡d n͡d͜z n͡d͜ɮ n͡d͜ʒ ɲ͡ɟ ŋ͡g ɴ͡ɢ/ ⟨mb nd nd↘z nd↘l nd↘ž ñǰ ŋɡ ƞɠ⟩
/f s ɬ ʃ x ħ h/ ⟨f s ł š ḳ ḫ h⟩
/v z ɮ ʒ ɣ/ ⟨v z l ž ү⟩
/w ɾ j ʟ̠/ ⟨u~ŭ dh i~ĭ ɫ⟩
/ʩ/ ⟨ь⟩
/ˡᵐʰp͡ɸ'ʰˤˠʷʲ/ ⟨314159265358973⟩
/i ɪ e ɛ a ɔ o ʊ u/ ⟨í~i ı e a á å o y ú~u⟩
/naɣjɛ dvon fɔʟ̠ta | mnɪ ʩɔgɾɪ ɟezjɛʟ̠ta vziʟ̠ɛn͡da ɣjɛ an͡d͜ɮoɾɪ fisˡᵐʰp͡ɸ'ʰˤˠʷʲaq t͡ʃɛɾŋ͡ga ɣɾɛd͡ɮɪsin mnɪ ʃʊtxwaʟ̠/
⟨náүia dvon fåɫtá, mnı ьåɡdhı ǰeziaɫtá vziɫandá үia ánd↘lodhɪ fis314159265358973áq çadhŋɡá үdhaλısin mnı šytḳwáɫ⟩
Aa Áá Åå Bʙ Čč Çç Dd Ee Ff G𝑔 Ɠɠ Ɡɡ Yү Hh Ḫḫ Iı İi Íí Ĭĭ J̌ǰ Kk Ll Łł Ɫɫ Λλ ƛ Mm Nn Ññ Ŋŋ Ƞƞ Oo Pp Qq Ss Tt Uu Úú Ŭŭ Vv Xx Уy Zz Žž ↘ 314159265358973
/ɾ/ is a flap/tap/short plosive, not an approximant.
Try you hear a Blackpink’s song, it spells 마지막처럼 /mɐd̠͡ʑimɐk t̠͡ɕʰʌ̹ɾʌ̹m/ ⟨majimak cheoreom⟩ as 마지막처덤 [mɐd̠͡ʑimɐk t̠͡ɕʰʌ̹dʌ̹m] ⟨majimak cheodeom⟩ as well as ordinary Korean spellings; also /ɾ/ is an allophone of /d/ in Filipino/Tagalog intervocally.
Next:
/m n ŋ/
/p t k/
/f s h/
/l/
/i u/
/ɛ ɔ/
/ä/
Capital letters of ⟨β ɘ ɸ ɪ ɟ ʎ ɹ ɾ ⱱ ʍ χ⟩ are ⟨Ꞵ ∃ Φ Ɪ Ⅎ ⅄ ꓤ ꓩ Ѵ 𐊰 Ꭓ⟩.
⟨ꞵ ꭓ⟩ (Latin) are alternate forms of ⟨β χ⟩ (Greek).
⟨ꞵ ꭓ⟩ (Latin) are alternate forms of ⟨β χ⟩ (Greek).
Re: Romanization game #2
GoshDiggityDangit wrote: ↑06 Nov 2022 00:25The fact is that /ɾ/ is not in most languages treated as a plosive. They pattern with approximants and other rhotics.Anonymous999 wrote: ↑05 Nov 2022 23:53I think the approximant R is /ɹ/, not /ɾ/. Because the syllabic of /ɹ/ is /ɚ/.ɶʙ ɞʛ wrote: ↑05 Nov 2022 19:15/ɾ/ typically patterns as an approximant rather than a plosive in natlangs (there are exceptions, like in English it's an allophone of /t d/), and it can be syllabic.Anonymous999 wrote: ↑04 Nov 2022 23:58
/ɾ/ is a short plosive consonant, not an approximant consonant
/b d ɖ ɡ ɢ/ → plosive
/ⱱ̟ ɾ ɽ ∅ ɢ̆/ → short plosive
and flap/tap consonants (short plosives) cannot be syllabic
/m n ŋ/ <m n g>
/p t k/ <p t k>
/f s h/ <f s h>
/l/ <l>
/i u/ <i u>
/ɛ ɔ/ <e o>
/ä/ <a>
Aa Ee Ff Gg Hh Ii Kk Ll Mm Nn Oo Pp Ss Tt Uu
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/p pʰ pʼ t tʰ tʼ k kʰ kʼ q qʰ qʼ/
/s z ɬ ɮ ʃ ʒ x ɣ h/
/t͡s t͡sʰ t͡sʼ t͡ɬ t͡ɬʰ t͡ɬʼ t͡ʃ t͡ʃʰ t͡ʃʼ/
/m n ŋ/
/l j w/
/r/
/i u/
/ɪ ʊ/
/e o/
/ɛ ɔ/
/a/
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Re: Romanization game #2
About ⟨r⟩ /ɾ/ spelling in Korean that changed into [d]:shimobaatar wrote: ↑09 Nov 2022 22:43GoshDiggityDangit wrote: ↑06 Nov 2022 00:25The fact is that /ɾ/ is not in most languages treated as a plosive. They pattern with approximants and other rhotics.Anonymous999 wrote: ↑05 Nov 2022 23:53I think the approximant R is /ɹ/, not /ɾ/. Because the syllabic of /ɹ/ is /ɚ/.ɶʙ ɞʛ wrote: ↑05 Nov 2022 19:15/ɾ/ typically patterns as an approximant rather than a plosive in natlangs (there are exceptions, like in English it's an allophone of /t d/), and it can be syllabic.Anonymous999 wrote: ↑04 Nov 2022 23:58
/ɾ/ is a short plosive consonant, not an approximant consonant
/b d ɖ ɡ ɢ/ → plosive
/ⱱ̟ ɾ ɽ ∅ ɢ̆/ → short plosive
and flap/tap consonants (short plosives) cannot be syllabic
1.https://hinative.com/questions/10402629
2.https://www.monobility.com/like-im-your ... korean-ii/
As a reference, if there is no letter ⟨ɾ⟩, it may written as /d̆/.
/p pʰ pʼ t tʰ tʼ k kʰ kʼ q qʰ qʼ/ ⟨p ph pp t th tt k kh kk q qh qq⟩
/s z ɬ ɮ ʃ ʒ x ɣ h/ ⟨s z ŝ ẑ š ž x g h⟩
/t͡s t͡sʰ t͡sʼ t͡ɬ t͡ɬʰ t͡ɬʼ t͡ʃ t͡ʃʰ t͡ʃʼ/ ⟨c ch cc ĉ ĉh ĉĉ č čh čč⟩
/m n ŋ/ ⟨m n ŋ⟩
/l j w/ ⟨l y w⟩
/r/ ⟨r⟩
/i u/ ⟨i u⟩
/ɪ ʊ/ ⟨î û⟩
/e o/ ⟨e o⟩
/ɛ ɔ/ ⟨ê ô⟩
/a/ ⟨a⟩
Next:
/m n/
/p b pʰ~f b̤ t d~ɾ tʰ d̤ ʈ ɖ~ɽ ʈʰ ɖ̤~ɽ̤ t̠͡ɕ d̠͡ʑ t̠͡ɕʰ d̠̤͡ʑ̤ k ɡ kʰ~x ɡ̤~ɣ/
/s ʂ ɕ ɦ/
/β̞ l j/
/r/
/i ɪ ʊ u/
/ɛ ɐ ä ɔ/
/d̠͡ʑɐp b̤imɛn äpɐkɔ jät kɐrɐtɐ ɦun | mɛn ɐpɐnɛ b̤ɐɡɐβ̞än kɔɽɐnjɐβ̞ät dɛtɐ ɦun ‖ d̠͡ʑɐp b̤imɛn tʊmhɛn jät kɐrɐtɐ ɦun | mɛn ɐpɐnɛ ɐläɦ kɐɕʊkrɪjɐ ɐɾɐ kɐrɐtɐ ɦun ‖ d̠͡ʑɐp b̤imɛn äpɐkɛ bärɛ mɛn sɔt̠͡ɕɐtɐ ɦun | mɛn b̤ɐɡɐβ̞än kɐɕʊkrɪjɐ ɐɾɐ kɐrɐtɐ ɦun ‖ fɪlɪpjɔn ɛk(1) pɐt tin(3) ‖/
Capital letters of ⟨β ɘ ɸ ɪ ɟ ʎ ɹ ɾ ⱱ ʍ χ⟩ are ⟨Ꞵ ∃ Φ Ɪ Ⅎ ⅄ ꓤ ꓩ Ѵ 𐊰 Ꭓ⟩.
⟨ꞵ ꭓ⟩ (Latin) are alternate forms of ⟨β χ⟩ (Greek).
⟨ꞵ ꭓ⟩ (Latin) are alternate forms of ⟨β χ⟩ (Greek).
Re: Romanization game #2
No one's denying any relationship between /ɾ/ and stop consonants, or that /ɾ/ is a flap/tap rather than an approximant. Regardless of its exact articulation, however, /ɾ/ can pattern with other sonorants, which is why it's not unheard of - or unreasonable, in my opinion - for it to be listed alongside, for instance, approximants.
It's not a problem for any of us if you, say, list stops and affricates or low and low-mid vowels together (see below), so why is it a problem for you if one of us lists a tap/flap together with approximants? If it truly bothers you that much, you could simply move things around without calling attention to it.
We're playing a game online, not collaborating on a research paper. We don't all have to follow the exact same conventions as long as we can all understand one another. /ɾ/ is /ɾ/, whether it gets its own line or ends up grouped together with, for instance, /l j w/.
/m n/ <m n>
/p b pʰ~f b̤ t d~ɾ tʰ d̤ ʈ ɖ~ɽ ʈʰ ɖ̤~ɽ̤ t̠͡ɕ d̠͡ʑ t̠͡ɕʰ d̠̤͡ʑ̤ k g kʰ~x g̤~ɣ/ <p b ph bh t d th dh ṭ ḍ ṭh ḍh c j ch jh k g kh gh>
/s ʂ ɕ ɦ/ <s ṣ x h>
/β̞ l j/ <v l y>
/r/ <r>
/i ɪ ʊ u/ <î i u û>
/ɛ ɐ ä ɔ/ <e ə a o>
Aa Bb Cc Dd Ḍḍ Ee Əə Gg Hh Ii Îî Jj Kk Ll Mm Nn Oo Pp Rr Ss Ṣṣ Tt Ṭṭ Uu Ûû Vv Xx Yy
/d̠͡ʑɐp b̤imɛn äpɐkɔ jät kɐrɐtɐ ɦun | mɛn ɐpɐnɛ b̤ɐgɐβ̞än kɔɖɐnjɐβ̞ät dɛtɐ ɦun ‖ d̠͡ʑɐp b̤imɛn tʊmɦɛn jät kɐrɐtɐ ɦun | mɛn ɐpɐnɛ ɐläɦ kɐɕʊkrɪjɐ ɐdɐ kɐrɐtɐ ɦun ‖ d̠͡ʑɐp b̤imɛn äpɐkɛ bärɛ mɛn sɔt̠͡ɕɐtɐ ɦun | mɛn b̤ɐgɐβ̞än kɐɕʊkrɪjɐ ɐdɐ kɐrɐtɐ ɦun ‖ pʰɪlɪpjɔn ɛk pɐt tin/
[d̠͡ʑɐp b̤imɛn äpɐkɔ jät kɐrɐtɐ ɦun | mɛn ɐpɐnɛ b̤ɐgɐβ̞än kɔɽɐnjɐβ̞ät dɛtɐ ɦun ‖ d̠͡ʑɐp b̤imɛn tʊmhɛn jät kɐrɐtɐ ɦun | mɛn ɐpɐnɛ ɐläɦ kɐɕʊkrɪjɐ ɐɾɐ kɐrɐtɐ ɦun ‖ d̠͡ʑɐp b̤imɛn äpɐkɛ bärɛ mɛn sɔt̠͡ɕɐtɐ ɦun | mɛn b̤ɐgɐβ̞än kɐɕʊkrɪjɐ ɐɾɐ kɐrɐtɐ ɦun ‖ fɪlɪpjɔn ɛk pɐt tin]
<Jəp bhîmen apəko yat kərətə hûn, men əpəne bhəgəvan koḍənyəvat detə hûn. Jəp bhîmen tumhen yat kərətə hûn, men əpəne əlah kəxukriyə ədə kərətə hûn. Jəp bhîmen apəke bare men socətə hûn, men bhəgəvan kəxukriyə ədə kərətə hûn. Philipyon 1 pət 3.>
(There was an instance of [h] in the example. Since it's not listed in the chart above, I've assumed [h] = /ɦ/.)
Next:
/p b ᵐb t d ⁿd k q ʔ/
/θ s h/
/t͡s d͡z ⁿd͡z/
/m n ŋ/
/l j w/
/ɽ/
/r/
/i iː ɨ ɨː u uː/
/e eː/
/a aː/
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Re: Romanization game #2
/p b ᵐb t d ⁿd k q ʔ/ ⟨p b ḃ t d ḋ k q g⟩
/θ s h/ ⟨ṡ s h⟩
/t͡s d͡z ⁿd͡z/ ⟨c z ż⟩
/m n ŋ/ ⟨m n ṅ⟩
/l j w/ ⟨l y w⟩
/ɽ/ ⟨ṙ⟩
/r/ ⟨r⟩
/i iː ɨ ɨː u uː/ ⟨i ī ui ūi u ū⟩
/e eː/ ⟨ai āi⟩
/a aː/ ⟨a ā⟩
Next:
/m n ŋ/
/p t k q/
/v s ɣ ʁ/
/l j/
/i~e* u~o*/
/ä/
/aj/
*) before /q ʁ/
/θ s h/ ⟨ṡ s h⟩
/t͡s d͡z ⁿd͡z/ ⟨c z ż⟩
/m n ŋ/ ⟨m n ṅ⟩
/l j w/ ⟨l y w⟩
/ɽ/ ⟨ṙ⟩
/r/ ⟨r⟩
/i iː ɨ ɨː u uː/ ⟨i ī ui ūi u ū⟩
/e eː/ ⟨ai āi⟩
/a aː/ ⟨a ā⟩
Next:
/m n ŋ/
/p t k q/
/v s ɣ ʁ/
/l j/
/i~e* u~o*/
/ä/
/aj/
*) before /q ʁ/
Capital letters of ⟨β ɘ ɸ ɪ ɟ ʎ ɹ ɾ ⱱ ʍ χ⟩ are ⟨Ꞵ ∃ Φ Ɪ Ⅎ ⅄ ꓤ ꓩ Ѵ 𐊰 Ꭓ⟩.
⟨ꞵ ꭓ⟩ (Latin) are alternate forms of ⟨β χ⟩ (Greek).
⟨ꞵ ꭓ⟩ (Latin) are alternate forms of ⟨β χ⟩ (Greek).
Re: Romanization game #2
/m n ŋ/ <m n ŋ>
/p t k q/ <p t k q>
/v s ɣ ʁ/ <v s g r>
/l j/ <l y>
/i~e u~o/ <i u>
/ä/ <a>
/aj/ <æ>
Aa Ææ Gg Ii Kk Ll Mm Nn Ŋŋ Pp Qq Rr Ss Tt Uu Vv Yy
Next:
/p b t d k/
/f v s z ħ ʕ/
/t͡s d͡z/
/m n/
/j/
/ɺ/
/i ɨ u/
/e ə o/
/a/
/p t k q/ <p t k q>
/v s ɣ ʁ/ <v s g r>
/l j/ <l y>
/i~e u~o/ <i u>
/ä/ <a>
/aj/ <æ>
Aa Ææ Gg Ii Kk Ll Mm Nn Ŋŋ Pp Qq Rr Ss Tt Uu Vv Yy
Next:
/p b t d k/
/f v s z ħ ʕ/
/t͡s d͡z/
/m n/
/j/
/ɺ/
/i ɨ u/
/e ə o/
/a/
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Re: Romanization game #2
/p b t d k/ <p b t d k>
/f v s z ħ ʕ/ <f v s z x h>
/t͡s d͡z/ <c j>
/m n/ <m n>
/j/ <y>
/ɺ/ <r>
/i ɨ u/ <i w u>
/e ə o/ <e ə o>
/a/ <a>
Aa Bb Cc Dd Ee Əə Ff Hh Ii Jj Kk Mm Nn Oo Pp Rr Ss Tt Uu Vv Ww Xx Yy Zz
Next:
/p b t d k g/
/f s z ʃ ʒ x/
/t͡s d͡z t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/
/m n/
/j w/
/l/
/r/
stressed vowel inventory
/i u/
/e o/
/a/
unstressed vowel inventory
/ɘ ɵ/
/ɐ/
/mɵmatɐn bɘ jɐ papɘtɐn bɘ kɐt͡ʃlurɵgɵn | jɵt ɘdemɘtɐn bɘ sebɘkrɘgɘn/
/kajɐljɐkɘtɐn gɘzigɘrɘtɐn xajbɐnrɘgɘn/
/f v s z ħ ʕ/ <f v s z x h>
/t͡s d͡z/ <c j>
/m n/ <m n>
/j/ <y>
/ɺ/ <r>
/i ɨ u/ <i w u>
/e ə o/ <e ə o>
/a/ <a>
Aa Bb Cc Dd Ee Əə Ff Hh Ii Jj Kk Mm Nn Oo Pp Rr Ss Tt Uu Vv Ww Xx Yy Zz
Next:
/p b t d k g/
/f s z ʃ ʒ x/
/t͡s d͡z t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/
/m n/
/j w/
/l/
/r/
stressed vowel inventory
/i u/
/e o/
/a/
unstressed vowel inventory
/ɘ ɵ/
/ɐ/
/mɵmatɐn bɘ jɐ papɘtɐn bɘ kɐt͡ʃlurɵgɵn | jɵt ɘdemɘtɐn bɘ sebɘkrɘgɘn/
/kajɐljɐkɘtɐn gɘzigɘrɘtɐn xajbɐnrɘgɘn/
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Re: Romanization game #2
/p b t d k g/ ⟨p b t d k ḡ⟩
/f s z ʃ ʒ x/ ⟨f s z ś ź h⟩
/t͡s d͡z t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ ⟨c j ć g⟩
/m n/ ⟨m n⟩
/j w/ ⟨y w⟩
/l/ ⟨l⟩
/r/ ⟨r⟩
stressed vowel inventory
/i u/ ⟨i~í u~ú⟩
/e o/ ⟨é ó⟩
/a/ ⟨á⟩
unstressed vowel inventory
/ɘ ɵ/ ⟨i¹~e u²~o⟩
/ɐ/ ⟨a~e¹~o²⟩
¹) after alveolar/postalveolar consonant or /j/
²) after velar/bilabial consonant or /w/
/mɵmatɐn bɘ jɐ papɘtɐn bɘ kɐt͡ʃlurɵgɵn | jɵt ɘdemɘtɐn bɘ sebɘkrɘgɘn/
⟨mumáten be ye pápeten be kaćluroḡun, yot edémiten be sébekriḡen⟩
/kajɐljɐkɘtɐn gɘzigɘrɘtɐn xajbɐnrɘgɘn/
⟨káyelyeketen ḡezíḡeriten haybonriḡen⟩
Next:
/m n ŋ/
/p b t d t͡s t̠͡ʃ k ɡ/
/f s z ʃ ʒ h/
/β̞ ɹ l j ɥ/
/i y ɯ u/
/e ɘ o/
/ɛ ɔ/
/ä/
/f s z ʃ ʒ x/ ⟨f s z ś ź h⟩
/t͡s d͡z t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ ⟨c j ć g⟩
/m n/ ⟨m n⟩
/j w/ ⟨y w⟩
/l/ ⟨l⟩
/r/ ⟨r⟩
stressed vowel inventory
/i u/ ⟨i~í u~ú⟩
/e o/ ⟨é ó⟩
/a/ ⟨á⟩
unstressed vowel inventory
/ɘ ɵ/ ⟨i¹~e u²~o⟩
/ɐ/ ⟨a~e¹~o²⟩
¹) after alveolar/postalveolar consonant or /j/
²) after velar/bilabial consonant or /w/
/mɵmatɐn bɘ jɐ papɘtɐn bɘ kɐt͡ʃlurɵgɵn | jɵt ɘdemɘtɐn bɘ sebɘkrɘgɘn/
⟨mumáten be ye pápeten be kaćluroḡun, yot edémiten be sébekriḡen⟩
/kajɐljɐkɘtɐn gɘzigɘrɘtɐn xajbɐnrɘgɘn/
⟨káyelyeketen ḡezíḡeriten haybonriḡen⟩
Next:
/m n ŋ/
/p b t d t͡s t̠͡ʃ k ɡ/
/f s z ʃ ʒ h/
/β̞ ɹ l j ɥ/
/i y ɯ u/
/e ɘ o/
/ɛ ɔ/
/ä/
Capital letters of ⟨β ɘ ɸ ɪ ɟ ʎ ɹ ɾ ⱱ ʍ χ⟩ are ⟨Ꞵ ∃ Φ Ɪ Ⅎ ⅄ ꓤ ꓩ Ѵ 𐊰 Ꭓ⟩.
⟨ꞵ ꭓ⟩ (Latin) are alternate forms of ⟨β χ⟩ (Greek).
⟨ꞵ ꭓ⟩ (Latin) are alternate forms of ⟨β χ⟩ (Greek).
Re: Romanization game #2
/p b t d k g/ <p b t d k g>
/f s z ʃ ʒ x/ <f s z š ž x>
/t͡s d͡z t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ <c ʒ č ǯ>
/m n/ <m n>
/j w/ <i u>
/l/ <l>
/r/ <r>
/i u/ <í ú>
/e o/ <é ó>
/a/ <á>
/ɘ ɵ/ <e o>
/ɐ/ <a>
Aa Áá Bb Cc Čč Dd Ee Éé Ff Gg Ii Íí Kk Ll Mm Nn Oo Óó Pp Rr Ss Šš Tt Uu Úú Xx Zz Žž Ʒʒ Ǯǯ
/mɵmatɐn bɘ jɐ papɘtɐn bɘ kɐt͡ʃlurɵgɵn | jɵt ɘdemɘtɐn bɘ sebɘkrɘgɘn || kajɐljɐkɘtɐn gɘzigɘrɘtɐn xajbɐnrɘgɘn/
<Momátan be ia pápetan be kačlúrogon, iot edémetan be sébekregen. Káialiaketan gezígeretan xáibanregen.>
/m n ŋ/ <m n ŋ>
/p b t d t͡s t̠͡ʃ k g/ <p b t d c č k g>
/f s z ʃ ʒ h/ <f s z š ž h>
/β̞ ɹ l j ɥ/ <v r l j w>
/i y ɯ u/ <i y ü u>
/e ɘ o/ <e ö o>
/ɛ ɔ/ <ɛ ɔ>
/ä/ <a>
Aa Bb Cc Čč Dd Ee Ɛɛ Ff Gg Hh Ii Jj Kk Ll Mm Nn Ŋŋ Oo Öö Ɔɔ Pp Rr Ss Šš Tt Uu Üü Vv Ww Yy Zz Žž
Next:
/p b t d k/
/f v s z x ɣ/
/m n/
/l j w/
/i u/
/e o/
/a/
/f s z ʃ ʒ x/ <f s z š ž x>
/t͡s d͡z t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ <c ʒ č ǯ>
/m n/ <m n>
/j w/ <i u>
/l/ <l>
/r/ <r>
/i u/ <í ú>
/e o/ <é ó>
/a/ <á>
/ɘ ɵ/ <e o>
/ɐ/ <a>
Aa Áá Bb Cc Čč Dd Ee Éé Ff Gg Ii Íí Kk Ll Mm Nn Oo Óó Pp Rr Ss Šš Tt Uu Úú Xx Zz Žž Ʒʒ Ǯǯ
/mɵmatɐn bɘ jɐ papɘtɐn bɘ kɐt͡ʃlurɵgɵn | jɵt ɘdemɘtɐn bɘ sebɘkrɘgɘn || kajɐljɐkɘtɐn gɘzigɘrɘtɐn xajbɐnrɘgɘn/
<Momátan be ia pápetan be kačlúrogon, iot edémetan be sébekregen. Káialiaketan gezígeretan xáibanregen.>
/m n ŋ/ <m n ŋ>
/p b t d t͡s t̠͡ʃ k g/ <p b t d c č k g>
/f s z ʃ ʒ h/ <f s z š ž h>
/β̞ ɹ l j ɥ/ <v r l j w>
/i y ɯ u/ <i y ü u>
/e ɘ o/ <e ö o>
/ɛ ɔ/ <ɛ ɔ>
/ä/ <a>
Aa Bb Cc Čč Dd Ee Ɛɛ Ff Gg Hh Ii Jj Kk Ll Mm Nn Ŋŋ Oo Öö Ɔɔ Pp Rr Ss Šš Tt Uu Üü Vv Ww Yy Zz Žž
Next:
/p b t d k/
/f v s z x ɣ/
/m n/
/l j w/
/i u/
/e o/
/a/
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