Romanization game #2

[ɶʙ ɞʛ]

Hats off, everyone! The mad genius is back in town... (p.s. look a few posts further up)

Sadly, another of Nort's creations, /k͡ʟ̝̊ːʷ/, is not attested currently. However, it could easily happen in the future.

[ɶʙ ɞʛ]

Speaking of which, part 2:

/p t k m n j l w h a i u e o d t͡ʃʼ ʙ ŋʘ↑ʼ k͡ʟ̝̊ːʷ gǂ͡˞χˀ ᶣɞ̂ˑ ʬᴙ!!/

[Nortaneous]

Speaking of which, part 2:

/p t k m n j l w h a i u e o d t͡ʃʼ ʙ ŋʘ↑ʼ k͡ʟ̝̊ːʷ gǂ͡˞χˀ ᶣɞ̂ˑ ʬᴙ!!/

Let's keep it simple and assign sounds to letters in alphabetical order: <a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v>. So a hypothetical example sentence /ŋʘ↑ʼuk͡ʟ̝̊ːʷaʙi gǂ͡˞χˀaʬᴙ!!o pi t͡ʃʼehiŋʘ↑ʼu/ would be written rlsjqk tjvd ak pmikrl. Simple!

[Birdlang]

From the last page
/mʲ mˠ mˤ n̪ˠ nˤ ȵ ŋ/ mı m mȷ n nȷ nı ŋ
/pʲ pˠ pˤ t̪ˠ tˤ ʈ ȶ k q/ pı p pȷ t tȷ ṭ tı k g
/f s sˤ ʂ ɕ sʷ* ʂʷ* ɕʷ* x ħ h/ f s sȷ ṣ sı ŝ ŝȷ ŝı x hȷ h
/ɥ w wˤ l̪ˤ ȴ ʟ ʕ/ wı w wȷ lȷ lı l j
/ⱱ ɾ r r̥ ʜ/ b r rr rh xȷ

/i e a o u ɵ ɤ/ i e a o u ö ë

/i: e: a: o: u: y: ɨ:/ ī ē ā ō ū ü y

/ei eu iu ui ie/ eî eû iû uî iê
/ɵy ou yɵ uɤ au/ öũ oû üõ uẽ aû
/ea ai ɤi ɤa/ eâ aî ëî ëâ
I took some of the orthographic conventions from one of my old conlangs. Capital j and i have dots while the dotless versions don’t.

Next
/m n ȵ ŋ/
/p b t d ȶ ȡ k g/
/f v s̺ s̻ ɕ ʑ x ɣ h ɦ/
/ʨ ʥ/
/l ȴ j ɉ w/
/r ɍ/

/i u e o ə a/
The j and r with a bar stand for alveolopalatal approximant and trill respectively.

[Ryan Aditya]

/m n ȵ ŋ/ ⟨m n ń ng⟩
/p b t d ȶ ȡ k g/ ⟨p b t d ḱ ǵ k g⟩
/f v s̺ s̻ ɕ ʑ x ɣ h ɦ/ ⟨f w s ŝ ś ź x ğ h ĥ⟩
/ʨ ʥ/ ⟨c z⟩
/l ȴ j ɉ w/ ⟨l ĺ j jh ł⟩
/r ɍ/ ⟨r rr⟩

/i u e o ə a/ ⟨i u e o ă a⟩

Next

/n ɲ/
/p b t d c ɟ/
/z ʐ/
/ʀ ʢ/
/tɬ dɮ/
/ɬ/
/l ʎ/

/ɨ ʉ ɯ u/
/ʊ/
/e ɤ o/
/ä/

[this_is_an_account]

/n ɲ/ ⟨n ň⟩
/p b t d c ɟ/ ⟨p b t d ť ď⟩
/z ʐ/ ⟨z r⟩
/ʀ ʢ/ ⟨g q⟩
/tɬ dɮ/ ⟨c j⟩
/ɬ/ ⟨x⟩
/l ʎ/ ⟨l ľ⟩

/ɨ ʉ ɯ u/ ⟨i ü ı u⟩
/ʊ/ ⟨ö⟩
/e ɤ o/ ⟨e ë o⟩
/ä/

Next:

/m ŋ/
/b t d k ɡ ʔ/
/f s ʃ h/
/l/
/i u e o a/

[CivilixXXX]

/m ŋ/ <m n>
/b t d k ɡ ʔ/ <b t d k g p>
/f s ʃ h/ <f s c h>
/l/ <l>
/i u e o a/ <i u e o a>

Next one:
/m n/
/p b ɓ t d ɗ k ɡ/
/ts dz/
/s z h/
/l/

/i u/
/e o/
/ɛ ɔ/
/a/

[Ryan Aditya]

/m n/ ⟨m n⟩
/p b ɓ t d ɗ k ɡ/ ⟨p b bh t d dh k g⟩
/ts dz/ ⟨tt dd⟩
/s z h/ ⟨s z h⟩
/l/ ⟨l⟩

/i u/ ⟨i~y u~w⟩
/e o/ ⟨e o⟩
/ɛ ɔ/ ⟨ea oa⟩
/a/ ⟨a⟩

Next:

/m n ŋ/
/p pʰ b t tʰ d k kʰ ɡ/
/ts tsʰ tʂ tʂʰ tɕ tɕʰ dʑ/
/f s z ʂ ɕ x h/
/ɾ r ɻ j ɰ w/
/l/

/i y ɯ u/
/e ø ə ɤ o/
/ɛ ʌ/
/a/

I called it “Zhongnihan”
(no diacritics of Turkish alphabet allowed)

[Vlürch]

(no Turkish accent allowed)

You mean dots on vowels?

/m n ŋ/ <m n ṅ>
/p pʰ b t tʰ d k kʰ ɡ/ <b p ƀ d t đ g k ḡ>
/ts tsʰ tʂ tʂʰ tɕ tɕʰ dʑ/ <z c ż ċ j q j̄> (I assume you meant /tɕʰ/ for the second-to-last one)
/f s ʂ ɕ x h/ <f s ṡ x ẋ h>
/ɾ r ɻ j ɰ w/ <r r̄ ṙ y w̰ w>
/l/ <l>

/i y ɯ u/ <i ḭ ṵ u>
/e ø ə ɤ o/ <e ḛ y o̰ o>
/ɛ ʌ/ <ə a̰>
/a/ <a>

---

Next:

/m n ɲ/
/p t k/
/ʔˤ/
/t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/
/s z ʃ/
/β ð j ɣ h/
/θˤ/
/r/
/l ʎ/

/a e i o u/
/aː iː uː/

[Ryan Aditya]

It seems like Arabic
/m n ɲ/ ⟨m n ny⟩
/p t k/ ⟨p t k⟩
/ʔˤ/ ⟨'⟩
/t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ ⟨c j⟩
/s z ʃ/ ⟨s z sy⟩
/β ð j ɣ h/ ⟨b d y g h⟩
/θˤ/ ⟨ṣ⟩
/r/ ⟨r⟩
/l ʎ/ ⟨l ly⟩

/a e i o u/ ⟨a ai i au u⟩
/aː iː uː/ ⟨ā ī ū⟩

For you Vlürch, you must edit all of your transliteration of my conlang, include /z/. Don’t use dot above, breve or cedilla.

Next:

/m mʲ n nʲ (ɲ) (ŋ)/
/p pʲ t tʲ k kʲ ʔ/
/b bʲ d dʲ ɣ ɡʲ/
/ɸ fʲ s sʲ ʃ ɕ x hʲ/
/ʋ vʲ z zʲ ʒ ʑ/
/ts tʃ/
/ɾ rʲ/
/ɫ lʲ (j)/

/ɪ ɨ ʲʉ ʊ/
/ʲɛ ʲɵ ɤ ɔ/
/ʲæ ɑ/

[Vlürch]

For you Vlürch, you must edit all of your transliteration of my conlang, include /z/. Don’t use dot above, breve or cedilla.

Not trying to beef with you or anything, but why? You added /z/ to that phonology after my reply with the romanisation, so obviously my romanisation didn't include it. If you wanted a different romanisation (of a revised phonology), why not just post it again in your next post? Seems more logical to me than editing a previous post and then demanding that the person who romanised said phonology (before the edit) has to edit their post.

Replying that I "must" edit my post and sending two PMs about it within minutes makes it sound like you're taking this a little too seriously... like, dude, it's a romanisation game, not an official governmental initiative for orthography reform of a real-world language or whatever. Having a given phonology romanised a certain way by a certain person doesn't exclude other possible romanisations by other people. If someone wants to romanise several of the previously posted phonologies at the same time in one post, nothing stops them; at least in the previous thread some people did that sometimes, myself included.

Probably very few people who post in these threads end up actually using the romanisations for their phonologies (if the phonologies even are those of a more developed conlang; they're often not), since it's just a game. The default assumption isn't that our romanisations will be used, or at least wasn't in the previous thread. I think I can speak for most of us when I say it's just fun and interesting to see how other people would romanise our phonologies, whether they're those of our beloved long-term conlangs or just something random we came up with on the spot. From that perspective, even saying "don't use [diacritics]" seems counterproductive to the spirit of the game, although it can add a fun additional challenge.

...or maybe I'm wrong, and this is serious business. It sure didn't seem that way in the previous thread, but maybe it is this time?

Anyway,

/m mʲ n nʲ (ɲ) (ŋ)/ <m mj n nj ñj ñ>
/p pʲ t tʲ k kʲ ʔ/ <p pj t tj k kj q>
/b bʲ d dʲ ɣ ɡʲ/ <b bj d dj g gj>
/ɸ fʲ s sʲ ʃ ɕ x hʲ/ <f fj s sj ś śj h hj>
/ʋ vʲ z zʲ ʒ ʑ/ <v vj z zj ź źj>
/ts tʃ/ <c ć>
/ɾ rʲ/ <r rj>
/ɫ lʲ (j)/ <l lj j>

/ɪ ɨ ʲʉ ʊ/ <i y ú-u u>
/ʲɛ ʲɵ ɤ ɔ/ <e ó-o ə o>
/ʲæ ɑ/ <á-a a>

(Assuming the vowels that trigger palatalisation can follow consonants that are not phonemically palatalised, the ones with acute accents are used after them while the forms without acute accents are used after consonants that are phonemically palatalised. This is assuming there isn't a distinction between eg. /mʲæ/ and /mʲʲæ/; if there is, then only the ones with acute accents for the vowels that trigger palatalisation.)

---

Next:

/n ɳ ŋ/
/t d ʈ ɖ k g q ʔ/
/s ʂ/
/θ ð ɻ̝̊ ɻ̝ j x ɣ h/
/r ʀ/

/a ə i/
/ã ə̃ ĩ/

[CivilixXXX]

/n ɳ ŋ/ <n nn ng>
/t d ʈ ɖ k g q ʔ/ <t d p b k g q u>
/s ʂ/ <s x>
/θ ð ɻ̝̊ ɻ̝ j x ɣ h/ <f v s z y x j h>
/r ʀ/ <r w>

/a ə i/ <a e i>
/ã ə̃ ĩ/ <am em im>

Next one:
(you might say it's a natlang, so you can try guessing)
/p pʲ b bʲ t d k kʲ ɡ ɡʲ/
/ts dz t͡ʂ d͡ʐ tʂˑ dʐˑ tɕ dʑ/
/m mʲ n ɲ/
/ʋ s z ʂ ʐ ɕ ʑ x~h/
/ɫ lʲ ɾ r̝ j /

/i u/
/e ə o/
/ɛ ɔ/
/a ɒ/

[ɶʙ ɞʛ]

/p pʲ b bʲ t d k kʲ ɡ ɡʲ/ <p pi b bi t d k ki g gi>
/ts dz t͡ʂ d͡ʐ tʂˑ dʐˑ tɕ dʑ/ <c dz cz dż cx dx ć~ci dź~dzi>
/m mʲ n ɲ/ <m mi n ni>
/ʋ s z ʂ ʐ ɕ ʑ x~h/ <v s z sz ż ś~si ź~zi ch~h>
/ɫ lʲ ɾ r̝ j / <l li r x~rz~ri j~i>

/i u/ <í~i u>
/e ə o/ <é õ ó>
/ɛ ɔ/ <e o>
/a ɒ/ <a ã>

The consonants look Slavic. Not sure about the vowels though.

/m n/
/t' ts' tɬ' k' q' qʟ̠̝̥'/
/pf t ts tɬ k q qʟ̠̝̥/
/b d dz gʟ /
/s ɬ h/
/l r ʁ j w/ (/ʁ/ is the voiced equivalent of /ʟ̠̝̥/)

/i u e ə ɞ a/
/i: u: ɨ: ɔ: a:/

Maybe this is some weird sort of 21st century English to Native American creole? Midwestern American English actually has [qʟ̠̝̥] as an allophone of /kʟ̠/, as the lateral is almost always realized as /ʟ̠/ there. However, since /ɢ/ is more difficult to pronounce, /gʟ̠/ is usually velar [gʟ]. One of my grandfathers is from Iowa and has these sounds in his speech.

[Ryan Aditya]

Not trying to beef with you or anything, but why? You added /z/ to that phonology after my reply with the romanisation, so obviously my romanisation didn't include it. If you wanted a different romanisation (of a revised phonology), why not just post it again in your next post? Seems more logical to me than editing a previous post and then demanding that the person who romanised said phonology (before the edit) has to edit their post.

Replying that I "must" edit my post and sending two PMs about it within minutes makes it sound like you're taking this a little too seriously... like, dude, it's a romanisation game, not an official governmental initiative for orthography reform of a real-world language or whatever. Having a given phonology romanised a certain way by a certain person doesn't exclude other possible romanisations by other people. If someone wants to romanise several of the previously posted phonologies at the same time in one post, nothing stops them; at least in the previous thread some people did that sometimes, myself included.

Probably very few people who post in these threads end up actually using the romanisations for their phonologies (if the phonologies even are those of a more developed conlang; they're often not), since it's just a game. The default assumption isn't that our romanisations will be used, or at least wasn't in the previous thread. I think I can speak for most of us when I say it's just fun and interesting to see how other people would romanise our phonologies, whether they're those of our beloved long-term conlangs or just something random we came up with on the spot. From that perspective, even saying "don't use [diacritics]" seems counterproductive to the spirit of the game, although it can add a fun additional challenge.

...or maybe I'm wrong, and this is serious business. It sure didn't seem that way in the previous thread, but maybe it is this time?

Anyway,

/m mʲ n nʲ (ɲ) (ŋ)/ <m mj n nj ñj ñ>
/p pʲ t tʲ k kʲ ʔ/ <p pj t tj k kj q>
/b bʲ d dʲ ɣ ɡʲ/ <b bj d dj g gj>
/ɸ fʲ s sʲ ʃ ɕ x hʲ/ <f fj s sj ś śj h hj>
/ʋ vʲ z zʲ ʒ ʑ/ <v vj z zj ź źj>
/ts tʃ/ <c ć>
/ɾ rʲ/ <r rj>
/ɫ lʲ (j)/ <l lj j>

/ɪ ɨ ʲʉ ʊ/ <i y ú-u u>
/ʲɛ ʲɵ ɤ ɔ/ <e ó-o ə o>
/ʲæ ɑ/ <á-a a>

(Assuming the vowels that trigger palatalisation can follow consonants that are not phonemically palatalised, the ones with acute accents are used after them while the forms without acute accents are used after consonants that are phonemically palatalised. This is assuming there isn't a distinction between eg. /mʲæ/ and /mʲʲæ/; if there is, then only the ones with acute accents for the vowels that trigger palatalisation.)

Give me 2 rules:
Sounds has changed if some letters has followed by /ʲ/:
If partial palatization (/ʲ/) is 2, make sure the phoneme is normally [j], not [ʲʲ] or [ʲː]. As 0.5 + 0.5 =1 surely.

ɣ + ʲ = ɡʲ and ɣ + ʲ + ʲ = ɡj
ɸ + ʲ = fʲ and ɸ + ʲ + ʲ = fj
x + ʲ = hʲ and x + ʲ + ʲ = hj
ʋ + ʲ = vʲ and ʋ + ʲ + ʲ = vj
ɾ + ʲ = rʲ and ɾ + ʲ + ʲ = rj
ɫ + ʲ = lʲ and ɫ + ʲ + ʲ = lj

If happens double ʲ before a vowel, the vowels will change normally to basic vowels:

...ʲ + ʲæ = ja
...ʲ + ʲɛ = je
...ʲ + ʲɪ = ji
...ʲ + ʲɵ = jo
...ʲ + ʲʉ = ju

So understand about those?

---

/m n/ ⟨m n⟨
/t' ts' tɬ' k' q' qʟ̠̝̥'/ ⟨tx cx tlx kx qx qwx⟩
/pf t ts tɬ k q qʟ̠̝̥/ ⟨f t c tl k q qw⟩
/b d dz gʟ / ⟨p d j w⟩
/s ɬ h/ ⟨s z h⟩
/l r ʁ j w/ ⟨l r g y w⟩

/i u e ə ɞ a/ ⟨i u e à õ a⟩
/i: u: ɨ: ɔ: a:/ ⟨iy uw ì o á⟩

Next:

/m n~ŋ/
/p~b t tˠ d dˠ k~ɡ ɢˠ ʔ ʔˤ/
/tʂ~dʐ~ʐ/
/ɸ~β θ θˠ ð ðˠ s z ʂ χˠ ʁˠ ħ ɦ/
/ʋ~w ɹˠ ʝ~j/
/l/

/iː ɪ ʊ uː/
/e o/
/æ aː/

/æ/ and /aː/ after /ˠ/ becomes [ɑ] and [ɑː] respectively and vowels after /ʔˤ/ (ain) becomes nasalized.

[CivilixXXX]

My previous language was indeed Slavic, more exactly it was strongly archaic and puristic play on Polish phonology (which was incidentally nicely reflected in ortography>

/m n~ŋ/ <m n>
/p~b t tˠ d dˠ k~ɡ ɢˠ ʔ ʔˤ/ <p t tg d dg k g ' >
/ʔˤ/ <'g> if no vowel after it, otherwise not spelled, and vowel is marked with ogonek instead.
/tʂ~dʐ~ʐ/ <j>
/ɸ~β θ θˠ ð ðˠ s z ʂ χˠ ʁˠ ħ ɦ/ <f th dh s z š h r hh hg>
/ʋ~w ɹˠ ʝ~j/ <w rg y>
/l/ <l>

/iː ɪ ʊ uː/ <ī i u ū>
/e o/ <e o>
/æ aː/ <a ā>

Next one:
/p b t d k ɡ/
/m n ŋ/
f v s z ʃ ʒ x ɣ/
/w l r j/

/i y ɨ u/
/e ø ə o/
/æ ɶ ɑ ɔ/

[Vlürch]

/p b t d k ɡ/ <p b t d c g>
/m n ŋ/ <m n ƞ>
/f v s z ʃ ʒ x ɣ/ <f v s z x j h q>
/w l r j/ <w l r y>

/i y ɨ u/ <i ü ı u>
/e ø ə o/ <e ö ẹ o>
/æ ɶ ɑ ɔ/ <ä ọ̈ a ọ>

---

Next:

/m n̪ n ɳ ŋ/
/p t̪ d̪ t ʈ k/
/pʰ tʰ kʰ/
/s̪ s ʂ/
/β ɻ j ɣ h/
/ɾ/

/ɑ ɛ e i ɔ o u/
/ɒː æː iː uː/

[zyma]

/m n̪ n ɳ ŋ/ <m nn n rn ŋ>
/p t̪ d̪ t ʈ k/ <p tt dd t rt k>
/pʰ tʰ kʰ/ <ph th kh>
/s̪ s ʂ/ <ss s rs>
/β ɻ j ɣ h/ <b r j g h>
/ɾ/ <d>

/ɑ ɛ e i ɔ o u/ <a è e i ò o u>
/ɒː æː iː uː/ <ā ē ī ū>

---

Next:

/p pʰ b t tʰ d k kʰ g ʔ/
/ɸ θ s x h/
/t͡s t͡sʰ d͡z/
/m mˀ n nˀ/
/j w/
/r/
/l/

/i ɨ u/
/e o/
/ɛ/
/a/

[Birdlang]

/p pʰ b t tʰ d k kʰ g ʔ/ p ph b t th d k kh g q
/ɸ θ s x h/ f x s v h
/t͡s t͡sʰ d͡z/ c ch z
/m mˀ n nˀ/ m m’ n n’
/j w/ j w
/r/ r
/l/ l

/i ɨ u/ i y u
/e o/ e o
/ɛ/ è
/a/ a

Next
/m n/
/p t k/
/f s ç h/
/l j w/
/r/

/i u e o a/

[Ryan Aditya]

/m n/ ⟨m n⟩
/p t k/ ⟨p t k⟩
/f s ç h/ ⟨ph th h kh⟩
/l j w/ ⟨l j v⟩
/r/ ⟨r⟩

/i u e o a/ ⟨i u e o a⟩

Transform
/mp/=b, /nt/=d
/ui/=ɨ, /oe/=ə /ai/=ɛ, /au/=ɔ

Next:
/m n ɳ ɲ ŋ ɴ/
/p b ɓ t d ɗ ʈ ɖ c ɟ ʄ k ɡ ɠ q ʔ/
/pʰ bʱ tʰ tˤ dʱ dˤ ʈʰ ɖʱ cʰ kʰ/
/ɸ β f v θ ð s z ʃ ʒ x ɣ χ ʁ ħ ʕ h ɦ/
/sˤ zˤ/
/r ɽ j w/
/l/

/iː uː/
/i y u/
/e ø o/
/æ a/

[Birdlang]

/m n ɳ ɲ ŋ ɴ/ m n ņ ñ ŋ ƞ
/p b ɓ t d ɗ ʈ ɖ c ɟ ʄ k ɡ ɠ q ʔ/ p b ƀ t d đ ţ ḑ ď c j ɉ k g ǥ q ʔ
/pʰ bʱ tʰ tˤ dʱ dˤ ʈʰ ɖʱ cʰ kʰ/ ph bh th ƭ dh ɗ ţh ḑh ch kh
/ɸ β f v θ ð s z ʃ ʒ x ɣ χ ʁ ħ ʕ h ɦ/ ƒ ʋ f v ş z̧ s z š ž x ɣ ḫ ƣ ḥ ḩ h ɦ
/sˤ zˤ/ ʂ ȥ
/r ɽ j w/ r ŗ y w
/l/ l

/iː uː/ ī ū
/i y u/ i ü u
/e ø o/ e ö o
/æ a/ ä a

Next
/t k/
/s h/
/n/
/l j/
/r/

/i a u/