Romanization game #2

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Re: Romanization game #2

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/n̼ n ɳ ɲ ŋ/ n̆ n ṇ ň ĝ
/p t ʈ c k/ p t ṭ ť k
/b d̼ ɖ ɟ g/ b d̮ ḍ ď g
/f θ̼ s ʃ x/ f s̆ s š x
/ʋ l̼ l ɭ ʟ/ v l̮ l ḷ ł
/w ɹ̼ ɹ ɻ j/ w r̆ r ṛ y
/ɘ͡ʛ ɵ͡ʛ ɑ͡ɣ ʊ͡ɣʷ a i ã ẽ õ/ eɢ oɢ aʏ uʏ a i aɴ eɴ oɴ

Next:
/bʲ b bˠ t̼ t̼ˠ d̼ d̼ˠ tʲ dˠ kʲ k ʔ/
/m mˠ n̼ n̼ˠ nʲ n ŋ/
/β̞ʲ β̞ˠ ð̼̞ʲ ð̼̞ ð̼̞ˠ sʲ s sˠ h/

/ɨ ɜ/

/ɨ/ → [i~ɨ~ɯᵝ]
/ɜ/ → [e~ɜ~ɑ]
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Re: Romanization game #2

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/bʲ b bˠ t̼ t̼ˠ d̼ d̼ˠ tʲ dˠ kʲ k ʔ/ <b b b t t d ḅ t d k k q>
/m mˠ n̼ n̼ˠ nʲ n ŋ/ <m m ṃ ṃ n n n>
/β̞ʲ β̞ˠ ð̼̞ʲ ð̼̞ ð̼̞ˠ sʲ s sˠ h/ <v v z z z s s s h>

/ɨ ɜ/ <y~i~u~yi~yu~iy~iu~uy~ui ë~e~a~ëe~ëa~eë~ea~aë~ae>
Spoiler:
C = /b t̼ d̼ ʔ m n̼ n ð̼̞ s h/
Cʲ = /bʲ tʲ kʲ nʲ β̞ʲ ð̼̞ʲ sʲ/
Cˠ = /bˠ t̼ˠ d̼ˠ dˠ k mˠ n̼ˠ ŋ β̞ˠ ð̼̞ˠ sˠ/

IPA: /ɨ ɜ/
Ø_Ø : <y ë>
C_Ø : <y ë>
Ø_C : <y ë>
Cʲ_Ø : <i e>
Ø_Cʲ : <i e>
Cˠ_Ø : <u a>
Ø_Cˠ : <u a>
C_C : <y ë>
C_Cʲ : <yi ëe>
C_Cˠ : <yu ëa>
Cʲ_C : <iy eë>
Cʲ_Cʲ : <i e>
Cʲ_Cˠ : <iu ea>
Cˠ_C : <uy aë>
Cˠ_Cʲ : <ui ae>
Cˠ_Cˠ : <u a>
Aa Bb Ḅḅ Dd Ee Ëë Hh Ii Kk Mm Ṃṃ Nn Qq Ss Tt Uu Vv Yy Zz

Next:

/p pʰ b t tʰ d k kʰ g ʔ/
/f v θ ð s z ʃ ʒ ç x xʷ h/
/t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/
/m n ŋ/
/ɹ l ɫ j w/
/r/

/iː uː/
/ɪ ʊ/
/eː oː/
/ə/
/ɛ ɔ/
/æː/
/a/
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Re: Romanization game #2

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/p pʰ b t tʰ d k kʰ g ʔ/ <p ph b t th d k kh g '>
/f v θ ð s z ʃ ʒ ç x xʷ h/ <f v ţ ḑ s z š ž ş x q h>
/t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ <č dž>
/m n ŋ/ <m n ng>
/ɹ l ɫ j w/ <ř l ł j w>
/r/ <r>

/iː uː/ <i u>
/ɪ ʊ/ <ì ù>
/eː oː/ <e o>
/ə/ <ë>
/ɛ ɔ/ <è ò>
/æː/ <a>
/a/ <à>

Aa Àà Bb Čč Dd Ḑḑ Ee Èè Ëë Ff Gg Hh Ii Ìì Jj Kk Ll Łł Mm Nn Oo Òò Pp Qq Rr Řř Ss Šš Şş Tt Ţţ Uu Ùù Vv Ww Xx Zz Žž
Next

/p t c k/
/ɓ ɗ/
/s ɦ/
/m n ɲ ŋ/
/mᵇ nᵈ ɲᶡ ŋᶢ/
/w ɾ j/

/i ɨ u/
/a/
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Re: Romanization game #2

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/p t c k/ <p t c k>
/ɓ ɗ/ <b d>
/s ɦ/ <s h>
/m n ɲ ŋ/ <m n ñ g>
/mᵇ nᵈ ɲᶡ ŋᶢ/ <mm nn ññ gg>
/w ɾ j/ <w r j>

/i ɨ u/ <i y u>
/a/ <a>

Aa Bb Cc Dd Gg Hh Ii Jj Kk Mm Nn Ññ Pp Rr Ss Tt Uu Ww Yy

Next:

/p pʼ b t tʼ d k kʼ g q qʼ ɢ ʔ/
/s z h/
/m n ŋ/
/l ɻ j w/
/r/

/i iː ĩː u uː ũː/
/e eː ẽː o oː õː/
/a aː ãː/
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Re: Romanization game #2

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/p pʼ b t tʼ d k kʼ g q qʼ ɢ ʔ/ <p ṕ b t t́ d k ḱ g q q́ ɢ h>
/s z h/ <s ś ħ>
/m n ŋ/ <m n n̄>
/l ɻ j w/ <l r̄ j w>
/r/ <r>

/i iː ĩː u uː ũː/ <i y í u ů ú>
/e eː ẽː o oː õː/ <e ė é o å ó>
/a aː ãː/ <a ə á>

/n̥/
/pʰ p͡ç tʰ t͡s t͡ç kʰ/
/p t k k͡p ʔ/
/θ s ɬ ç ʟ̝̊ h/
/ɾ̥/
/i ɪ/
/i̥ ɪ̥ ʏ̥ e̥ æ̥/

/hæ̥ k͡pæ̥ θɪ̥ɬi̥tʰæ̥ ɬɪ̥çe̥ hæ̥ ʟ̝̊ʏ̥tit͡çe̥ n̥ɪ̥k͡pɪ̥sæ̥hi ki̥ki̥t͡sæ̥hi ɾ̥æ̥pʰɪ̥n̥æ̥ || ke̥ k͡pɪ̥n̥æ̥ k͡pæ̥ n̥i ɬɪ̥çe̥ hæ̥ ʟ̝̊i̥tʰʏ̥p͡çe̥/
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Re: Romanization game #2

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/n̥/ <n>
/pʰ p͡ç tʰ t͡s t͡ç kʰ/ <p pj t ts tj k>
/p t k k͡p ʔ/ <b d g gb q>
/θ s ɬ ç ʟ̝̊ h/ <z s l j ł h>
/ɾ̥/ <r>

/i ɪ/ <ì ỳ>
/i̥ ɪ̥ ʏ̥ e̥ æ̥/ <i y u e a>

Aa Bb Dd Ee Gg Hh Ii Ìì Jj Kk Ll Łł Nn Pp Qq Rr Ss Tt Uu Yy Ỳỳ Zz

<Ha gba zylita lyje ha łudìtje nygbysahì gigitsahì rapyna. Ge gbyna gba nì lyje ha łitupje.>
/hæ̥ k͡pæ̥ θɪ̥ɬi̥tʰæ̥ ɬɪ̥çe̥ hæ̥ ʟ̝̊ʏ̥tit͡çe̥ n̥ɪ̥k͡pɪ̥sæ̥hi ki̥ki̥t͡sæ̥hi ɾ̥æ̥pʰɪ̥n̥æ̥ || ke̥ k͡pɪ̥n̥æ̥ k͡pæ̥ n̥i ɬɪ̥çe̥ hæ̥ ʟ̝̊i̥tʰʏ̥p͡çe̥/

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/p pʰ ᵐb t tʰ ⁿd k kʰ ᵑg k͡p k͡pʰ ᵑ͡ᵐɡ͡b/
/s ɬ h/
/m n ŋ ŋ͡m/
/l ɻ j w/

/i u/
/a/
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Re: Romanization game #2

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/p pʰ ᵐb t tʰ ⁿd k kʰ ᵑg k͡p k͡pʰ ᵑ͡ᵐɡ͡b/ b p mb d t nd g k ng gb kp ngb
/s ɬ h/ s lh h
/m n ŋ ŋ͡m/ m n ng mg
/l ɻ j w/ l r y w

/i u/ i u
/a/ a



/p b t d k ɡ k͡p ɡ͡b/
/m n ŋ ŋ͡m/
/s z ʍ w/
/r/

ATR harmony
/i u e o ə/
/ɪ ʊ ɛ ɔ a/
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Re: Romanization game #2

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/p b t d k ɡ k͡p ɡ͡b/ <p b t d k g kp gb>
/m n ŋ ŋ͡m/ <m n ŋ ŋm>
/s z ʍ w/ <s z f v>
/r/ <r>

/i u e o ə/ <i u e o ə>
/ɪ ʊ ɛ ɔ a/ <y w ɛ ɔ a>

Aa Bb Dd Ee Ɛɛ Əə Ff Gg Ii Kk Mm Nn Ŋŋ Oo Ɔɔ Pp Rr Ss Tt Uu Vv Ww Yy Zz

Next:

/p b t d k g kʷ gʷ q qʷ ʔ/
/f θ s ʃ ɕ x h/
/t͡s t͡ʃ t͡ɕ/
/m n ŋ/
/l j w/
/r ʀ/

/i iː yː u/
/e eː øː o/
/æː/
/a/
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Re: Romanization game #2

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/p b t d k g kʷ gʷ q qʷ ʔ/ ⟨p b t d k g kw gw q qw ’⟩
/f θ s ʃ ɕ x h/ ⟨f th s sh sch kh h⟩
/t͡s t͡ʃ t͡ɕ/ ⟨ts ch tch⟩
/m n ŋ/ ⟨m n ng⟩
/l j w/ ⟨l y w⟩
/r ʀ/ ⟨r rq⟩

/i iː yː u/ ⟨i ii ui u⟩
/e eː øː o/ ⟨e ee oe o⟩
/æː/ ⟨ae⟩
/a/ ⟨a⟩

Next:
/m n/
/p b t tˠ d k ɡ q ʔ/
/s sˠ z ʃ ħ ʕ h/
/l j w/
/r/

/i iː u uː/
/e ə o/
/ɛː ɔː/
/äː/
Not use /ʔ ɰ/ as ⟨q ğ⟩, hate letter ⟨ơ ư⟩
Better use /ɰ~ɯ/ as ⟨v⟩
Won’t use new letters outside unicode, e.g. ⟨c̣⟩, ⟨q̇⟩, ⟨ɛ́⟩, ⟨ɣ̃⟩, etc.
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Re: Romanization game #2

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/m n/ <m n>
/p b t tˠ d k ɡ q ʔ/ <p b t ṭ d k g q x>
/s sˠ z ʃ ħ ʕ h/ <s ṣ z š ḥ ɛ h>
/l j w/ <l j w>
/r/ <r>

/i iː u uː/ <i ī u ū>
/e ə o/ <e a o>
/ɛː ɔː/ <ē ō>
/äː/ <ā>

Aa Āā Bb Dd Ee Ēē Gg Hh Ḥḥ Ii Īī Jj Kk Ll Mm Nn Oo Ōō Pp Qq Rr Ss Ṣṣ Šš Tt Ṭṭ Uu Ūū Ww Xx Zz Ɛɛ

Next:

/p t ʈ k/
/f θ s ɕ x h/
/t͡ɕ/
/m n ŋ/
/l ɻ j ɥ w/
/r/

/i y u/
/e o/
/ə/
/a/

/V˧ V˥ V˩ V˧˥ V˧˩/
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Re: Romanization game #2

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/p t ʈ k/ p t ṭ k
/f θ s ɕ x h/ f 3 s ś c h
/t͡ɕ/ ź
/m n ŋ/ m n ĝ
/l ɻ j ɥ w/ l ṛ j y w
/r/ r

/i y u/ ı ụ u
/e o/ e o
/ə/ v
/a/ a

/V˧ V˥ V˩ V˧˥ V˧˩/ ı í ì ǐ î


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/p b t t͡ɬ t͡ʃ k ɡ kʷ ʔ/
/m n/
/l/
/s h hʷ/

/i e a/
/iː eː aː/
/ĩː õː ãː/

/a˥ a˩/
/aː˩ aː˥ aː˩˥ aː˥˩/
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Re: Romanization game #2

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/p b t t͡ɬ t͡ʃ k ɡ kʷ ʔ/ <p b t ƛ c k g kw q>
/m n/ <m n>
/l/ <l>
/s h hʷ/ <s h hw>

/i e a/ <i e a>
/iː eː aː/ <ii ee aa>
/ĩː õː ãː/ <įį ąą ęę>

/a˥ a˩/ <á a>
/aː˩ aː˥ aː˩˥ aː˥˩/ <aa áá aá áa>

Aa Áá Ąą Ą́ą́ Bb Cc Ee Éé Ęę Ę́ę́ Gg Hh Ii Íí Įį Į́į́ Kk Ll Mm Nn Pp Qq Ss Tt Ww Λƛ

Next:

/b ɓ t d ɗ k g ʔ/
/v s z ɣ h/
/m n ŋ/
/ɹ l ɫ j w/
/r/

/i u/
/ə/
/ɛ ɔ/
/a/
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Re: Romanization game #2

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shimobaatar wrote: 07 Nov 2021 13:05 /b ɓ t d ɗ k g ʔ/
/v s z ɣ h/
/m n ŋ/
/ɹ l ɫ j w/
/r/

/i u/
/ə/
/ɛ ɔ/
/a/
Why I always found the phonology without /p/ and /f/?
It’s too hard if native speakers speak the voiceless p/f as voiced instead.
e.g. professor → brovessor, flapping → vlabbing
Not like Arabic and descendants (like Somali) when /p/ pronounced as /b/ or sometimes /f/, Georgian pronounce /f/ as /pʰ/ or /v/, or Korean and Hokkien pronounce /f/ as /pʰ/, /hʷ/ (Korean) or /h/ (Hokkien).
Not use /ʔ ɰ/ as ⟨q ğ⟩, hate letter ⟨ơ ư⟩
Better use /ɰ~ɯ/ as ⟨v⟩
Won’t use new letters outside unicode, e.g. ⟨c̣⟩, ⟨q̇⟩, ⟨ɛ́⟩, ⟨ɣ̃⟩, etc.
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Re: Romanization game #2

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Anonymous999 wrote: 07 Nov 2021 14:17
shimobaatar wrote: 07 Nov 2021 13:05 /b ɓ t d ɗ k g ʔ/
/v s z ɣ h/
/m n ŋ/
/ɹ l ɫ j w/
/r/

/i u/
/ə/
/ɛ ɔ/
/a/
Why I always found the phonology without /p/ and /f/?
It’s too hard if native speakers speak the voiceless p/f as voiced instead.
e.g. professor → brovessor, flapping → vlabbing
Not like Arabic and descendants (like Somali) when /p/ pronounced as /b/ or sometimes /f/, Georgian pronounce /f/ as /pʰ/ or /v/, or Korean and Hokkien pronounce /f/ as /pʰ/, /hʷ/ (Korean) or /h/ (Hokkien).
I have no idea what you're trying to say, I'm afraid, but whatever your point is, is it really that big of a deal? If you don't like an inventory someone posts and/or don't want to romanize it, you don't have to say anything. You can just ignore it.
Edit: Ket and Arapaho are two natural languages without phonemic /p/ or /ɸ~f/, if that helps.
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Re: Romanization game #2

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/b ɓ t d ɗ k g ʔ/ <bh b t dh d k q '>
/v s z ɣ h/ <v s z g h>
/m n ŋ/ <m n ng>
/ɹ l ɫ j w/ <rl l ł j w>
/r/ <r>

/i u/ <i u>
/ə/ <ə>
/ɛ ɔ/ <e o>
/a/ <a>

/n̼ n ɳ ɲ ŋ/ <m n n̄ ń ǹ>
/p t ʈ c k/ <p t t̄ ḱ k>
/b d̼ ɖ ɟ g/ <b ȸ d ǵ g>
/f θ̼ s ʃ x/ <f þ s ś x>
/ʋ l̼ l ɭ ʟ/ <w v l ĺ l̀>
/w ɹ̼ ɹ ɻ j/ <u q r ŕ j>
/ɘ͡ʛ ɵ͡ʛ ɑ͡ɣ ʊ͡ɣʷ a i ã ẽ õ/ <ŷ ŵ ā ō a y ä ë ö>

Hyper-Ubyx time again?

/m mʲ mˤ n̪ n̪ˤ n nʲ nˤ nʷ nᶣ nˤʷ ȵ ȵʷ ŋʲ ŋᶣ ŋ ŋʷ ɴʲ ɴᶣ ɴ ɴʷ ɴˤ ɴˤʷ ɴ̠~ʕ̃ ɴ̠ʷ~ʕ̃ʷ/
/m̰ m̰ʲ n̪̰ n̰ n̰ʲ n̰ʷ n̰ᶣ ȵ̰ ȵ̰ʷ ŋ̰ʲ ŋ̰ᶣ ŋ̰ ŋ̰ʷ ɴ̰ʲ ɴ̰ᶣ ɴ̰ ɴ̰ʷ */
* for whatever reason nasals cannot be both creaky and pharyngealized here
/p' pʲ' pˤ' t̪' t̪ˤ' t' tʲ' tˤ' tʷ' tᶣ' tˤʷ' ȶ' ȶʷ' kʲ' kᶣ' k' kʷ' qʲ' qᶣ' q' qʷ' qˤ' qˤʷ' ʡ' ʡʲ' ʡʷ' ʡᶣ' ʔ'** ʔʷ'**/
** typically realized as a cough
/pʰ pʲʰ pˤʰ t̪ʰ t̪ˤʰ tʰ tʲʰ tˤʰ tʷʰ tᶣʰ tˤʷʰ ȶʰ ȶʷʰ kʲʰ kᶣʰ kʰ kʷʰ qʲʰ qᶣʰ qʰ qʷʰ qˤʰ qˤʷʰ ʡʰ ʡʲʰ ʡʷʰ ʡᶣʰ ʔʰ ʔʷʰ/
/p pʲ pˤ t̪ t̪ˤ t tʲ tˤ tʷ tᶣ tˤʷ ȶ ȶʷ kʲ kᶣ k kʷ qʲ qᶣ q qʷ qˤ qˤʷ ʡ ʡʲ ʡʷ ʡᶣ ʔ ʔʷ/
/b bʲ bˤ d̪ d̪ˤ d dʲ dˤ dʷ dᶣ dˤʷ ȡ ȡʷ gʲ gᶣ g gʷ ɢʲ ɢᶣ ɢ ɢʷ ***/
*** /ɢˤ/ reduced to /ʕ/
/p͡f' p͡fʲ' p͡fˤ' t̪͡θ' t̪͡θˤ'**** t͡s' t͡sʲ' t͡sˤ' t͡sʷ' t͡sᶣ' t͡sˤʷ' ȶ͡ɕ' ȶ͡ɕʷ' q͡χʲ' q͡χᶣ' q͡χ' q͡χʷ' q͡χˤ' q͡χˤʷ' ʡ͡ħ' ʡ͡ħʲ' ʡ͡ħʷ' ʡ͡ħᶣ'/
/p͡fʰ p͡fʲʰ p͡fˤʰ t̪͡θʰ t̪͡θˤ**** t͡sʰ t͡sʲʰ t͡sˤʰ t͡sʷʰ t͡sᶣʰ t͡sˤʷʰ ȶ͡ɕʰ ȶ͡ɕʷʰ q͡χʲʰ q͡χᶣʰ q͡χʰ q͡χʷʰ q͡χˤʰ q͡χˤʷʰ ʡ͡ħʰ ʡ͡ħʲʰ ʡ͡ħʷʰ ʡ͡ħᶣʰ/
/p͡f p͡fʲ p͡fˤ t̪͡θ t̪͡θˤ**** t͡s t͡sʲ t͡sˤ t͡sʷ t͡sᶣ t͡sˤʷ ȶ͡ɕ ȶ͡ɕʷ q͡χʲ q͡χᶣ q͡χ q͡χʷ q͡χˤ q͡χˤʷ ʡ͡ħ ʡ͡ħʲ ʡ͡ħʷ ʡ͡ħᶣ/
/b͡v b͡vʲ b͡vˤ d̪͡ð d̪͡ðˤ**** d͡z d͡zʲ d͡zˤ d͡zʷ d͡zᶣ d͡zˤʷ ȡ͡ʑ ȡ͡ʑʷ ɢ͡ʁʲ ɢ͡ʁᶣ ɢ͡ʁ ɢ͡ʁʷ ʡ͡ʢ ʡ͡ʢʷ/
/f' fʲ' fˤ' θ' θˤ'**** s' sʲ' sˤ' sʷ' sᶣ' sˤʷ' ɕ' ɕʷ' χʲ' χᶣ' χ' χʷ' χˤ' χˤʷ'/
/f fʲ fˤ θ θˤ**** s sʲ sˤ sʷ sᶣ sˤʷ ɕ ɕʷ xʲ xᶣ x xʷ χʲ χᶣ χ χʷ χˤ χˤʷ ħ ħʲ ħʷ ħᶣ h hʲ hʷ hᶣ/
/v vʲ vˤ ð ðˤ**** z zʲ zˤ zʷ zᶣ zˤʷ ʑ ʑʷ ɣʲ ɣᶣ ɣ ɣʷ ʁʲ ʁᶣ ʁ ʁʷ ʁˤ ʁˤʷ/
/w ɥ wˤ l lʲ lˤ lʷ lᶣ lˤʷ r rʲ rˤ rʷ rᶣ rˤʷ j ɰʲ ɰ ʀʲ ʀᶣ ʀ ʀʷ ʀˤ ʀˤʷ ʕ ʕʲ ʕʷ ʕᶣ ʢ ʢʲ ʢʷ ʢᶣ/
**** /θ ð/ may be realized as /ɬ ɮ/
/i~y~ɯ~u i:~y:~ɯ:~u:/ written /ɨ ɨ:/
/ɪ~ʏ~ω~ʊ ɪ:~ʏ:~ω:~ʊ:/ written /ɘ ɘ:/
/e~ø~ɤ~o e:~ø:~ɤ:~o:/ written /ə ə:/
/ɛ~œ~ʌ~ɔ ɛ:~œ:~ʌ:~ɔ:/ written /ɜ ɜ:/
/æ~ɶ~ɑ~ɒ æ:~ɶ:~ɑ:~ɒ:/ written /a a:/
For all vowels, Cʲ causes front allophones, Cˤ causes back allophones, and Cʷ causes rounded allophones. If more than one is present adjacent to a single vowel a diphthong results.

/fʲkᶣ'ɜ:rʲdanʷ ʑʷɨχʲtəɴᶣɜ vˤarʲȶʰ pʲ'ɜɥɨn̰sˤʷɘ:χˤɕʷɨχ ʁᶣbɘhᶣalʷ ȵɘvʲaʀʲŋə: sʷ'ɜfɨtə lʲaʢəɢ͡ʁʷb͡vɨtˤ wɜ: ɣʲaɰʲɨzʲrˤɘθ qˤʷ'əɴ̰ab͡vʲlˤɜɕʷɨχ/

[fʲkᶣ'œ͡ɛ:rʲdæ͡ɶnʷ ʑʷy͡iχʲte͡øɴᶣœ vˤɑ͡ærʲȶʰ pʲ'ɛ͡œɥyn̰sˤʷʊ:χˤɕʷy͡ɯχ ʁᶣbʏhᶣɶlʷ ȵɪvʲæʀʲŋɤ: sʷ'ɔfɯtɤ lʲæ͡ɑʢɤ͡oɢ͡ʁʷb͡vɯtˤ wɔ͡ʌ: ɣʲæɰʲizʲrˤωθ qˤʷ'o͡ɤɴ̰ɑ͡æb͡vʲlˤʌ͡œɕʷy͡ɯχ/

Also, AFAIK Arapaho doesn't have /m/ either.
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Re: Romanization game #2

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/m mʲ mˤ n̪ n̪ˤ n nʲ nˤ nʷ nᶣ nˤʷ ȵ ȵʷ ŋʲ ŋᶣ ŋ ŋʷ ɴʲ ɴᶣ ɴ ɴʷ ɴˤ ɴˤʷ ɴ̠~ʕ̃ ɴ̠ʷ~ʕ̃ʷ/ ⟨m mj m3 nn nn3 n nj n3 nw ny n3w jn jnw ngj ngy ng ngw nngj nngy nng nngw nng3 nng3w nnn nnnw⟩
/m̰ m̰ʲ n̪̰ n̰ n̰ʲ n̰ʷ n̰ᶣ ȵ̰ ȵ̰ʷ ŋ̰ʲ ŋ̰ᶣ ŋ̰ ŋ̰ʷ ɴ̰ʲ ɴ̰ᶣ ɴ̰ ɴ̰ʷ */ ⟨m7 m7j nn7 n7 n7j n7w n7y jn7 jn7w ng7w ng7y ng7 ng7w nng7j nng7y nng7 nng7w⟩
* for whatever reason nasals cannot be both creaky and pharyngealized here
/p' pʲ' pˤ' t̪' t̪ˤ' t' tʲ' tˤ' tʷ' tᶣ' tˤʷ' ȶ' ȶʷ' kʲ' kᶣ' k' kʷ' qʲ' qᶣ' q' qʷ' qˤ' qˤʷ' ʡ' ʡʲ' ʡʷ' ʡᶣ' ʔ'** ʔʷ'**/ ⟨p7 p7j p73 tt7 tt73 t7 t7j t73 t7w t7y t73w jt7 jt7w k7j k7y k7 k7w q7j q7y q7 q7w q73 q73w 27 27j 27w 27y 77 773⟩ (/ʔʼ/??? /ʔʼ/ = [ʔ.ʔ~ʔ̚ʔ~ʔ͡ʔ~ʔː])
** typically realized as a cough
/pʰ pʲʰ pˤʰ t̪ʰ t̪ˤʰ tʰ tʲʰ tˤʰ tʷʰ tᶣʰ tˤʷʰ ȶʰ ȶʷʰ kʲʰ kᶣʰ kʰ kʷʰ qʲʰ qᶣʰ qʰ qʷʰ qˤʰ qˤʷʰ ʡʰ ʡʲʰ ʡʷʰ ʡᶣʰ ʔʰ ʔʷʰ/ ⟨ph phj ph3 tth tth3 th thj th3 thw thy th3w jth jthw khj khy kh khw qhj qhy qh qhw qh3 qh3w 2h 2hj 2hw 2hy 7h 7h3⟩
/p pʲ pˤ t̪ t̪ˤ t tʲ tˤ tʷ tᶣ tˤʷ ȶ ȶʷ kʲ kᶣ k kʷ qʲ qᶣ q qʷ qˤ qˤʷ ʡ ʡʲ ʡʷ ʡᶣ ʔ ʔʷ/ ⟨p pj p3 tt tt3 t tj t3 tw ty t3w jt jtw kj ky k kw qj qy q qw q3 q3w 2 2j 2w 2y 7 73⟩
/b bʲ bˤ d̪ d̪ˤ d dʲ dˤ dʷ dᶣ dˤʷ ȡ ȡʷ gʲ gᶣ g gʷ ɢʲ ɢᶣ ɢ ɢʷ ***/ ⟨b bj b3 dd dd3 d dj d3 dw dy d3w jd jdw gj gy g gw cj cy c cw⟩
*** /ɢˤ/ reduced to /ʕ/
/p͡f' p͡fʲ' p͡fˤ' t̪͡θ' t̪͡θˤ'**** t͡s' t͡sʲ' t͡sˤ' t͡sʷ' t͡sᶣ' t͡sˤʷ' ȶ͡ɕ' ȶ͡ɕʷ' q͡χʲ' q͡χᶣ' q͡χ' q͡χʷ' q͡χˤ' q͡χˤʷ' ʡ͡ħ' ʡ͡ħʲ' ʡ͡ħʷ' ʡ͡ħᶣ'/ ⟨pf7 pf7j pf73 tt87 tt873 ts7 ts7j ts73 ts7w ts7y ts73w jts7 jts7w qkhh7j qkhh7y qkhh7 qkhh7w qkhh73 qkhh73w 247 247j 247w 247y⟩
/p͡fʰ p͡fʲʰ p͡fˤʰ t̪͡θʰ t̪͡θˤ**** t͡sʰ t͡sʲʰ t͡sˤʰ t͡sʷʰ t͡sᶣʰ t͡sˤʷʰ ȶ͡ɕʰ ȶ͡ɕʷʰ q͡χʲʰ q͡χᶣʰ q͡χʰ q͡χʷʰ q͡χˤʰ q͡χˤʷʰ ʡ͡ħʰ ʡ͡ħʲʰ ʡ͡ħʷʰ ʡ͡ħᶣʰ/ ⟨pfh pfhj pfh3 tt8h tt8h3 tsh tshj tsh3 tshw tshy tsh3w jtsh jtshw qkhhhj qkhhhy qkhhh qkhhhw qkhhh3 qkhhh3w 24h 24hj 24hw 24hy⟩
/p͡f p͡fʲ p͡fˤ t̪͡θ t̪͡θˤ**** t͡s t͡sʲ t͡sˤ t͡sʷ t͡sᶣ t͡sˤʷ ȶ͡ɕ ȶ͡ɕʷ q͡χʲ q͡χᶣ q͡χ q͡χʷ q͡χˤ q͡χˤʷ ʡ͡ħ ʡ͡ħʲ ʡ͡ħʷ ʡ͡ħᶣ/ ⟨pf pfj pf3 tt8 tt83 ts tsj ts3 tsw tsy ts3w jts jtsw qkhhj qkhhy qkhh qkhhw qkhh3 qkhh3w 24 24j 24w 24y⟩
/b͡v b͡vʲ b͡vˤ d̪͡ð d̪͡ðˤ**** d͡z d͡zʲ d͡zˤ d͡zʷ d͡zᶣ d͡zˤʷ ȡ͡ʑ ȡ͡ʑʷ ɢ͡ʁʲ ɢ͡ʁᶣ ɢ͡ʁ ɢ͡ʁʷ ʡ͡ʢ ʡ͡ʢʷ/ ⟨bv bvj bv3 dd6 dd63 dz dzj dz3 dzw dzy dz3w jdz jdzw cghhj cghhy cghh cghhw 25 25w⟩
/f' fʲ' fˤ' θ' θˤ'**** s' sʲ' sˤ' sʷ' sᶣ' sˤʷ' ɕ' ɕʷ' χʲ' χᶣ' χ' χʷ' χˤ' χˤʷ'/ ⟨f7 f7j f73 87 873 s7 s7j s73 s7w s7y s73w js7 js7w khh7j khh7y khh7 khh7w khh73 khh73w 47 47j 47w 47y h7 h7j h7w h7y⟩
/f fʲ fˤ θ θˤ**** s sʲ sˤ sʷ sᶣ sˤʷ ɕ ɕʷ xʲ xᶣ x xʷ χʲ χᶣ χ χʷ χˤ χˤʷ ħ ħʲ ħʷ ħᶣ h hʲ hʷ hᶣ/ ⟨f fj f3 8 83 s sj s3 sw sy s3w js jsw xj xy x xw khhj khhy khh khhw khh3 khh3w 4 4j 4w 4y h hj hw hy⟩
/v vʲ vˤ ð ðˤ**** z zʲ zˤ zʷ zᶣ zˤʷ ʑ ʑʷ ɣʲ ɣᶣ ɣ ɣʷ ʁʲ ʁᶣ ʁ ʁʷ ʁˤ ʁˤʷ/ ⟨v vj v3 6 63 z zj z3 zw zy z3w jz jzw ghj ghy gh gw ghhj ghhy ghh ghhw ghh3 ghh3w⟩
/w ɥ wˤ l lʲ lˤ lʷ lᶣ lˤʷ r rʲ rˤ rʷ rᶣ rˤʷ j ɰʲ ɰ ʀʲ ʀᶣ ʀ ʀʷ ʀˤ ʀˤʷ ʕ ʕʲ ʕʷ ʕᶣ ʢ ʢʲ ʢʷ ʢᶣ/ ⟨w y w3 l lj l3 lw ly l3w r rj r3 rw ry r3w j 1j 1 rqj rqy rq rqw rq3 rq3w 3 3j 3w 3y 5 5j 5w 5y⟩
**** /θ ð/ may be realized as /ɬ ɮ/
/i~y~ɯ~u i:~y:~ɯ:~u:/ written /ɨ ɨ:/ ⟨i ii⟩
/ɪ~ʏ~ω~ʊ ɪ:~ʏ:~ω:~ʊ:/ written /ɘ ɘ:/ ⟨9 99⟩
/e~ø~ɤ~o e:~ø:~ɤ:~o:/ written /ə ə:/ ⟨@ @@⟩
/ɛ~œ~ʌ~ɔ ɛ:~œ:~ʌ:~ɔ:/ written /ɜ ɜ:/ ⟨e ee⟩
/æ~ɶ~ɑ~ɒ æ:~ɶ:~ɑ:~ɒ:/ written /a a:/ ⟨a aa⟩
For all vowels, Cʲ causes front allophones, Cˤ causes back allophones, and Cʷ causes rounded allophones. If more than one is present adjacent to a single vowel a diphthong results.

/fʲkᶣ'ɜ:rʲdanʷ ʑʷɨχʲtəɴᶣɜ vˤarʲȶʰ pʲ'ɜɥɨn̰sˤʷɘ:χˤɕʷɨχ ʁᶣbɘhᶣalʷ ȵɘvʲaʀʲŋə: sʷ'ɜfɨtə lʲaʢəɢ͡ʁʷb͡vɨtˤ wɜ: ɣʲaɰʲɨzʲrˤɘθ qˤʷ'əɴ̰ab͡vʲlˤɜɕʷɨχ/

[fʲkᶣ'œ͡ɛ:rʲdæ͡ɶnʷ ʑʷy͡iχʲte͡øɴᶣœ vˤɑ͡ærʲȶʰ pʲ'ɛ͡œɥyn̰sˤʷʊ:χˤɕʷy͡ɯχ ʁᶣbʏhᶣɶlʷ ȵɪvʲæʀʲŋɤ: sʷ'ɔfɯtɤ lʲæ͡ɑʢɤ͡oɢ͡ʁʷb͡vɯtˤ wɔ͡ʌ: ɣʲæɰʲizʲrˤωθ qˤʷ'o͡ɤɴ̰ɑ͡æb͡vʲlˤʌ͡œɕʷy͡ɯχ]

⟨fjk7yeerjdanw jzwikhhjt@nngye v3arjjth p7jeyin7s3w99khh3jswikhh ghhyb9hyalw jn9vjarqjng@@ s7w3fit@ lja5@cghhwbvit3 wee ghja1jizjr398 q73w@nng7abvjl3ejswikhh⟩

Order:
Aa Bb Cc Dd Ee Ff Gg Hh Ii Jj Kk Ll Mm Nn Pp Qq Rr Ss Tt Vv Ww Xx Yy Zz 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 @

Next:
/m n/
/p pʰ b t tʰ d k kʰ ɡ/
/pʼ tʼ kʼ ʔ/
/t͡s t͡sʰ d͡z t̠͡ʃ t̠͡ʃʰ d͡ʒ/
/t͡sʼ t̠͡ʃʼ/
/f s z ʃ ʒ ʁ h/
/ʋ l j/

/i iː u uː/
/ɛ ɛː ɔ ɔː/
/ä äː/
Not use /ʔ ɰ/ as ⟨q ğ⟩, hate letter ⟨ơ ư⟩
Better use /ɰ~ɯ/ as ⟨v⟩
Won’t use new letters outside unicode, e.g. ⟨c̣⟩, ⟨q̇⟩, ⟨ɛ́⟩, ⟨ɣ̃⟩, etc.
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Re: Romanization game #2

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/m n/ m n
/p pʰ b t tʰ d k kʰ g/ p p(h) b t t(h) d k k(h) g
/pʼ tʼ kʼ ʔ/ p(q) t(q) k(q) q
/t͡s t͡sʰ d͡z t̠͡ʃ t̠͡ʃʰ d͡ʒ/ t,s t,s(h) d,z t,sh t,sh(h) d,zh
/t͡sʼ t̠͡ʃʼ/ t,s(q) t,sh(q)
/f s z ʃ ʒ ʁ h/ f s z sh zh r h
/ʋ l j/ v l y

/i iː u uː/ i i(w) u u(w)
/ɛ ɛː ɔ ɔː/ e e(w) o o(w)
/ä äː/ a a(w)
Aa Bb Dd Ee Ff Gg Hh Ii Kk Ll Mm Nn Oo Pp Qq Rr Ss Tt Uu Vv Ww Yy Zz ( ,

Next:
/n/
/b t d-l kʰ ʔʲ ʔʷ s/
/kʼ tsʼ/
/j w/
/a ɐˀ i ɪˀ ʊ oˀ/
ω - near-close near-back unrounded vowel.
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Re: Romanization game #2

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/n/ <n>
/b t d-l kʰ ʔʲ ʔʷ s/ <b t d k y v s>
/kʼ tsʼ/ <q c>
/j w/ <j w>
/a ɐˀ i ɪˀ ʊ oˀ/ <a ä i e u o>

Aa Ää Bb Cc Dd Ee Ii Jj Kk Mm Nn Oo Qq Ss Tt Uu Vv Ww Yy
Next

/b t d k ʔ/
/ɸ β f v s z h/
/m n ŋ/
/w ɻ j/

/i u/
/ɛ ɔ/
/ɐ ɑ/
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Re: Romanization game #2

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/b t d k ʔ/ <b t d k q>
/ɸ β f v s z h/ <p ḇ f v s z h>
/m n ŋ/ <m n g>
/w ɻ j/ <w r j>

/i u/ <i u>
/ɛ ɔ/ <e o>
/ɐ ɑ/ <â a>

Aa Ââ Bb Ḇḇ Dd Ee Ff Gg Hh Ii Jj Kk Mm Nn Oo Pp Qq Rr Ss Tt Uu Vv Ww Zz

Next:

/p pʰ t tʰ k kʰ k͡p k͡pʰ ʔ/
/f s ʃ h/
/t͡s t͡sʰ t͡ʃ t͡ʃʰ/
/m n ŋ ŋ͡m/
/l j w/
/r/

/i iː u uː/
/ɪ ʊ/
/eː oː/
/ɛ ɛː ɔː/
/a/
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Re: Romanization game #2

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/p pʰ t tʰ k kʰ k͡p k͡pʰ ʔ/ ⟨b p d t g k gb kp x⟩
/f s ʃ h/ ⟨f s ś h⟩
/t͡s t͡sʰ t͡ʃ t͡ʃʰ/ ⟨z c ź ć⟩
/m n ŋ ŋ͡m/ ⟨m n ǹ ǹm⟩
/l j w/ ⟨l y w⟩
/r/ ⟨r⟩

/i iː u uː/ ⟨i í u ú⟩
/ɪ ʊ/ ⟨ì ù⟩
/eː oː/ ⟨é ó⟩
/ɛ ɛː ɔː/ ⟨á e o⟩
/a/ ⟨a⟩

Next:
/m n ɲ ŋ/
/mˀ nˀ ɲˀ ŋˀ/
/p pʰ~ɸ t tʰ~s c cʰ~ç k kʰ~x/
/pʼ tʼ cʼ kʼ ʔ/
/t͡p t͡pʰ k͡p k͡pʰ ʔ͡h/
/t͡pʼ k͡pʼ/
/h/
/l j w/
/lˀ jˀ~ʔʲ wˀ~ʔʷ/
/r/
/rˀ/

/i ɨ u/
/e ə o/
/ɛ ɔ/
/a ɑ/
/◌̰/
Not use /ʔ ɰ/ as ⟨q ğ⟩, hate letter ⟨ơ ư⟩
Better use /ɰ~ɯ/ as ⟨v⟩
Won’t use new letters outside unicode, e.g. ⟨c̣⟩, ⟨q̇⟩, ⟨ɛ́⟩, ⟨ɣ̃⟩, etc.
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