Romanization game #2

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Re: Romanization game #2

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/m n ŋ ŋʷ/ m n ñ nq
/p pʼ t tʼ k kʼ kʷ kʷʼ ʔ/ b p d t g k gq q 7
/ts tsʼ tɬ tɬʼ tʃ tʃʼ/ dz ts dl tl j ch
/ɸ s ɬ ʃ x xʷ h/ f s ł š x ç h
/l j w/ l y w

/ɪ~i~ɨ ʊ~u~ʉ/ i u
/ɛ~a~ɔ/ a
Aa Bb Chch Çç Dd Dldl Ff Gg Gqgq Hh Ii Jj Kk Ll Łł Mm Nn Ññ Nqnq Pp Qq Ss Šš Tt Tltl Uu Ww Xx Yy 7

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Inspired by Thai.
/m n/
/p pʰ b t tʰ d ɟ k kʰ g ʔ/
/f s ç h/
/ʨ ʨʰ/
/l j w/
/r/

/i iː ɯ ɯː u uː e eː ɤ ɤː o oː ɛ ɛː ɔ ɔː a aː/
/ai ao ei eu oi ou iu ui iɯ ɯi iɤ ɤi/
All diphthongs can also be long.
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Re: Romanization game #2

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Ryan Aditya wrote:
10 May 2020 08:24
Please don’t make crumbled orthography like this:
Are you asking us not to use numerals?

/m n/ <m n>
/p pʰ b t tʰ d ɟ k kʰ g ʔ/ <p ph b t th d j k kh g q>
/f s ç h/ <f s x h>
/ʨ ʨʰ/ <c ch>
/l j w/ <l y w>
/r/ <r>

/i iː ɯ ɯː u uː e eː ɤ ɤː o oː ɛ ɛː ɔ ɔː a aː/ <i ii ï ïï u uu e ee ë ëë o oo æ ææ å åå a aa>

/ai ao ei eu oi ou iu ui iɯ ɯi iɤ ɤi/ <ai ao ei eu oi ou iu ui iï ïi ië ëi>
/aːi aːo eːi eːu oːi oːu iːu uːi iːɯ ɯːi iːɤ ɤːi/ <aai aao eei eeu ooi oou iiu uui iiï ïïi iië ëëi>

Aa Åå Ææ Bb Cc Dd Ee Ëë Ff Gg Hh Ii Ïï Jj Kk Ll Mm Nn Oo Pp Qq Rr Ss Tt Uu Ww Xx Yy

Next:

/p b t d tʲ dʲ k g ʔ/
/s z sʲ zʲ h/
/t͡s d͡z t͡sʲ d͡zʲ/
/m̥ m n̥ n n̥ʲ nʲ ŋ̊ ŋ/
/l lʲ j w/
/r rʲ/

/i u/
/e o/
/a/

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Re: Romanization game #2

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Ryan Aditya wrote:
10 May 2020 08:24
Please don’t make crumbled orthography like this:
So, responding to another report, relating to the same person, in the same thread, for roughly the same thing, twice in a few days.

Might I reiterate that this is a game. It's okay to not like the results, but, yet again, you seem to be expecting people to conform to some set of rules that just aren't written down anywhere.

"Crumbled" romanisations exist in the real-world as well, especially, for example, where available keyboards limited the set of characters that someone could use. Ssee the varied uses of <q> which, IIRC, in one language represents a vowel, or the heavy use of numbers in the "Arabic chat alphabet". And then you get languages like Saanich, where the now standard orthography went in the other direction, throwing extra strokes and diacritics at letters with seemingly little consistency.
You can tell the same lie a thousand times,
But it never gets any more true,
So close your eyes once more and once more believe
That they all still believe in you.
Just one time.

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Re: Romanization game #2

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/p b t d tʲ dʲ k g ʔ/ p b t d ť ď k g q
/s z sʲ zʲ h/ s z ś ź h
/t͡s d͡z t͡sʲ d͡zʲ/ c ʒ ć đ
/m̥ m n̥ n n̥ʲ nʲ ŋ̊ ŋ/ ṃ m ṇ n ṇ́ ń ŋ̇ ŋ
/l lʲ j w/ l ľ j w
/r rʲ/ r ŕ

/i u/ i u
/e o/ e o
/a/ a
Aa Bb Cc Ćć Dd Ďď Ʒʒ Đđ Ee Gg Hh Ii Jj Kk Ll Ľľ Mm Ṃṃ Nn Ṇṇ Ńń Ṇ́ṇ́ Ŋŋ Ŋ̇ŋ̇ Oo Pp Qq Rr Ŕŕ Ss Śś Tt Ťť Uu Ww Zz Źź

Next
/p t c k/
/f s ç x/
/m n ɲ ŋ/
/ʋ l j ɰ/
/r/

/i ʉ e o a/
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Re: Romanization game #2

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/p t c k/ <p t c k>
/f s ç x/ <f s x h>
/m n ɲ ŋ/ <m n j g>
/ʋ l j ɰ/ <v l y w>
/r/ <r>

/i ʉ e o a/ <i u e o a>

Aa Cc Ee Ff Gg Hh Ii Jj Kk Ll Mm Nn Oo Pp Rr Ss Tt Uu Vv Ww Xx Yy

Next:

/b t t' d k k' g ʔ~h/
/ɸ s ɕ x/
/t͡s t͡s' t͡ɕ t͡ɕ'/
/m mˀ n nˀ ŋ/
/l j jˀ w wˀ/
/ɽ/

/i iː u uː/
/e eː o oː/
/ə/
/a aː/

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Re: Romanization game #2

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It matched with Arabic script

/b t t' d k k' g ʔ~h/ ⟨b/ب t/ت th/ط d/د k/ک kh/گ g/ق h/ح
/ɸ s ɕ x/ ⟨f/ف s/س š/ش ȟ/خ⟩
/t͡s t͡s' t͡ɕ t͡ɕ'/ ⟨θ/ث θh/ظ c/چ ch/ج⟩
/m mˀ n nˀ ŋ/ ⟨m/م mh/مھ n/ن nh/نھ ň/ڱ⟩
/l j jˀ w wˀ/ ⟨l/ل y/ی yh/یھ w/و wh/وھ⟩
/ɽ/ ⟨r/ر⟩

Plain vowel: ا
/i iː u uː/ ⟨i/◌ِ ī/◌ٖ u/◌ُ ū/◌ٗ⟩
/e eː o oː/ ⟨e/◌ِئ ai/◌ِی o/◌ُؤ au/◌ُو⟩
/ə/ ⟨ă/◌ء⟩
/a aː/ ⟨a/◌َ ā/◌ٰ⟩

Next:

/m n ŋ/
/p b t d k/
/f v θ ð s z ç ħ/
/l j w/
/r/

/i y u/
/e ø o/
/œ/
/æ a/

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Re: Romanization game #2

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/m n ŋ/ <m n g>
/p b t d k/ <p b t d k>
/f v θ ð s z ç ħ/ <f v þ ð s z c h>
/l j w/ <l j w>
/r/ <r>

/i y u/ <i y u>
/e ø o/ <e ø o>
/œ/ <ö>
/æ a/ <ä a>

Aa Ää Bb Cc Dd Ðð Ee Ff Gg Hh Ii Jj Kk Ll Mm Nn Oo Öö Øø Pp Rr Ss Tt Uu Vv Ww Yy Zz Þþ

Next:

/p b t d k g ʔ/
/ɸ β θ ð s z ʃ ʒ x ɣ h/
/m n ŋ/
/l ɻ j ʟ w/
/r/

/i u/
/e o/
/ə/
/a/

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Re: Romanization game #2

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Ryan Aditya wrote:
10 May 2020 08:24
/n/ ⟨m/ɱ/n/ɳ/ɲ/ŋ/ɴ⟩
/p t ʈ k t͡p ʈ͡p k͡p k͡t k͡ʈ p͡t͜k p͡ʈ͜k/ ⟨p t T k tt TT kv kk KK ttt TTT⟩
/f s ʂ x ħ ʜ f͡x f͡ʜ s͡ʜ ʂ͡ʜ f͡s f͡ʂ f͡s͜ʜ f͡ʂ͜ʜ h/ ⟨f s S x H q ff qq ss SS ps pS sss SSS⟩
/ʙ r ɽ ʀ ʙ͡r ʙ͡ɽ ʙ͡ʀ r͡ʀ ɽ͡ʀ ʙ͡r͜ʀ ʙ͡ɽ͜ʀ/ ⟨b r c R rr cc RR rR cR rrr ccc⟩
/w l j ɣ/ ⟨v l y g⟩

/i a u ø/ ⟨i a u X⟩

Next:
/m n/
/b t d k ʔ/
/dʒ/
/f s z ʃ h/
/l j w/
/r/

/i u/
/a/

Please don’t make crumbled orthography like this:
ɶʙ ɞʛ wrote:
10 May 2020 02:38
/m n ɲ ŋ/ <m n nd nn>
/p b t d k ɡ ʔ/ <p b t tn k kn '>
/ts dz tʃ dʒ/ <c z cn dz>
/f v θ ð s z ʃ ʒ x ɣ h/ <f v cc zz s 3 sd 3d x g h>
/l j w/ <l j w>
/r/ <r>

/i u/ <i u>
/ɪ ʊ/ <y v>
/e ə o/ <e d 0>
/ɛ ɔ/ <æ o>
/a ɑ/ <a 9>
/uj/ <q>

"Crumbled orthography" [+1]

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Re: Romanization game #2

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/p b t d k g ʔ/ p b t d k g q
/ɸ β θ ð s z ʃ ʒ x ɣ h/ f v ś ź s z š ž j x h
/m n ŋ/ m n ñ
/l ɻ j ʟ w/ l ż y ł w
/r/ r

/i u/ i u
/e o/ e o
/ə/ ë
/a/ a
Aa Bb Dd Ee Ëë Ff Gg Hh Ii Jj Kk Ll Łł Mm Nn Ññ Oo Pp Qq Rr Ss Śś Šš Tt Uu Vv Ww Xx Yy Zz Źź Žž Żż

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Very small
/m n/
/p t k/
/s h/
/j/
/r/

/i u æ/
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Re: Romanization game #2

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/m n/ <m n>
/p t k/ <p t c>
/s h/ <s h>
/j/ <y>
/r/ <r>

/i u æ/ <i u a>

Aa Cc Hh Ii Mm Nn Pp Rr Ss Tt Uu Yy

Next:

/p b t d ʈ ɖ k g/
/s z ʂ ʐ h/
/t͡s d͡z/
/m n ɳ/
/l ɭ j/
/ɾ ɽ/

/i u/
/ɑ/

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Re: Romanization game #2

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/p b t d ʈ ɖ k g/ <p b t d tk~to~ot dg~do~od k g>
/s z ʂ ʐ h/ <s z so~os zo~oz h>
/t͡s d͡z/ <c dz>
/m n ɳ/ <m n no~on~ng>
/l ɭ j/ <l lo~ol~o j>
/ɾ ɽ/ <r ro~or>

/i u/ <i u>
/ɑ/ <a>

/m n ɳ ŋ/
/p ɓ pˡ ɓˡ t̪ tʰ t͡ɬ d̥ d̥ˡ ɗ ɗˡ ʈʰ ɖ̥ ᶑ kʰ k͡ʟ̥̝ kʷʰ k͡ʟ̥̝ʷ g~j gʷ~w g͡ʟ~ʟ g͡ʟʷ~ʟʷ/
/ɸ ɸˡ θ s͈ ɬ͈ z̥ ɮ̥ ʂ͈ ʐ̥ x ʟ̥̝ h/
/β ð ɹ ɹ̰~ɾ l l̰ ɻ ɻ̰~ʗ (j w ʟ ʟʷ)/

/i̝ i͡ʎ̝ ɨ͡z ɨ͡ɮ ɨ͡ʐ ɨ͡ɮ̠ u͡β u͡βˡ/
/i iˡ~ʎ̩ ɨ ɨˡ~l̩ ɨ˞ ɨ˞ˡ~ɭ̩ u uˡ~ʟ̩~ʟ̩ʷ/
/ɪ ɘ ɘ˞ ʊ/
/ei e͡ʎ əɨ ə͡l əɨ˞ ɚ͡ɭ ou o͡ʟʷ/
/e eˡ ə əˡ ɚ ɚˡ o oˡ/
/ɛ ɜ ɝ ɔ/
/æi a͡ʎ aɨ a͡l aɨ˞ a͡ɭ ɒu ɒ͡ʟʷ/
/a aˡ a˞ a˞ˡ/

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Re: Romanization game #2

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/m n ɳ ŋ/ ⟨m n nr ng⟩
/p ɓ pˡ ɓˡ t̪ tʰ t͡ɬ d̥ d̥ˡ ɗ ɗˡ ʈʰ ɖ̥ ᶑ kʰ k͡ʟ̥̝ kʷʰ k͡ʟ̥̝ʷ g~j gʷ~w g͡ʟ~ʟ g͡ʟʷ~ʟʷ/ ⟨p b pl bl t th tl dh dhl d dl tr dr drh k kl kw klw g gw gl glw⟩
/ɸ ɸˡ θ s͈ ɬ͈ z̥ ɮ̥ ʂ͈ ʐ̥ x ʟ̥̝ h/ ⟨f fl ts s ls z lz sr zr x slk h⟩
/β ð ɹ ɹ̰~ɾ l l̰ ɻ ɻ̰~ʗ (j w ʟ ʟʷ)/ ⟨v dz r dd l lr rr ! y w wl lw⟩

/ʗ/? Did you mean /ǃ/ or /ɽ/?
g in IPA was /ɡ/ (single story) not /g/ (double story)

/i̝ i͡ʎ̝ ɨ͡z ɨ͡ɮ ɨ͡ʐ ɨ͡ɮ̠ u͡β u͡βˡ/ ⟨ih ihl iz ilz izr ielz uv ulv⟩
/i iˡ~ʎ̩ ɨ ɨˡ~l̩ ɨ˞ ɨ˞ˡ~ɭ̩ u uˡ~ʟ̩~ʟ̩ʷ/ ⟨i il ie iel ir rl u ul⟩
/ɪ ɘ ɘ˞ ʊ/ ⟨ey iu iur ow⟩
/ei e͡ʎ əɨ ə͡l əɨ˞ ɚ͡ɭ ou o͡ʟʷ/ ⟨ei el eoi eol eoir eol eolr ou ol⟩
/e eˡ ə əˡ ɚ ɚˡ o oˡ/ ⟨e ehl eo eohl eor eorl o ohl⟩
/ɛ ɜ ɝ ɔ/ ⟨ae aoe aoer ao⟩
/æi a͡ʎ aɨ a͡l aɨ˞ a͡ɭ ɒu ɒ͡ʟʷ/ ⟨aei ayl ai al air alr oa oal⟩
/a aˡ a˞ a˞ˡ/ ⟨a ahl ar arl⟩

Next:

/nˠ~ŋ nʷ~ŋʷ~m ɳ~ŋʲ ɳʷ~ŋᶣ ɲ ɲʷ/
/tˠ~k tʷ~kʷ~p ʈ~kʲ ʈʷ~kᶣ c cʷ ʔ/
/dzˠ~ɡɣ dzʷ~ɡɣʷ~bβ dʐ~ɡɣʲ dʐʷ~ɡɣᶣ ɟʝ ɟʝʷ/
/θ̠ˠ~x θ̠ʷ~xʷ~ɸ ʂ~xʲ ʂʷ~xᶣ ç çʷ ħ~ɛ̯ ʕ~ɔ̯ h~ɦ/
/ɹˠ~ɰ ɹʷ~w~β̞ ɻ~ȷ̈ ɻʷ~ẅ j ɥ ʁ̞~ʕ̞˖ ʕ̞/
/ɫ~ʟ lʷ~ɫʷ~ʟʷ ɭ~ʟʲ ɭʷ~ʟᶣ ʎ ʎʷ/

/i y ɨ~ʐ̩ ʉ~ʐ̩ʷ ɯ~z̩ u~z̩ʷ/
/ə ɚ/
/ɛ ɜ ɝ ɔ/
/ä ɑ/

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Re: Romanization game #2

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ΘOΛA wrote:
12 May 2020 00:47
/m n ɳ ŋ/ ⟨m n nr ng⟩
/p ɓ pˡ ɓˡ t̪ tʰ t͡ɬ d̥ d̥ˡ ɗ ɗˡ ʈʰ ɖ̥ ᶑ kʰ k͡ʟ̥̝ kʷʰ k͡ʟ̥̝ʷ g~j gʷ~w g͡ʟ~ʟ g͡ʟʷ~ʟʷ/ ⟨p b pl bl t th tl dh dhl d dl tr dr drh k kl kw klw g gw gl glw⟩
/ɸ ɸˡ θ s͈ ɬ͈ z̥ ɮ̥ ʂ͈ ʐ̥ x ʟ̥̝ h/ ⟨f fl ts s ls z lz sr zr x slk h⟩
/β ð ɹ ɹ̰~ɾ l l̰ ɻ ɻ̰~ʗ (j w ʟ ʟʷ)/ ⟨v dz r dd l lr rr ! y w wl lw⟩

/ʗ/? Did you mean /ǃ/ or /ɽ/?
g in IPA was /ɡ/ (single story) not /g/ (double story)

/i̝ i͡ʎ̝ ɨ͡z ɨ͡ɮ ɨ͡ʐ ɨ͡ɮ̠ u͡β u͡βˡ/ ⟨ih ihl iz ilz izr ielz uv ulv⟩
/i iˡ~ʎ̩ ɨ ɨˡ~l̩ ɨ˞ ɨ˞ˡ~ɭ̩ u uˡ~ʟ̩~ʟ̩ʷ/ ⟨i il ie iel ir rl u ul⟩
/ɪ ɘ ɘ˞ ʊ/ ⟨ey iu iur ow⟩
/ei e͡ʎ əɨ ə͡l əɨ˞ ɚ͡ɭ ou o͡ʟʷ/ ⟨ei el eoi eol eoir eol eolr ou ol⟩
/e eˡ ə əˡ ɚ ɚˡ o oˡ/ ⟨e ehl eo eohl eor eorl o ohl⟩
/ɛ ɜ ɝ ɔ/ ⟨ae aoe aoer ao⟩
/æi a͡ʎ aɨ a͡l aɨ˞ a͡ɭ ɒu ɒ͡ʟʷ/ ⟨aei ayl ai al air alr oa oal⟩
/a aˡ a˞ a˞ˡ/ ⟨a ahl ar arl⟩

Next:

/nˠ~ŋ nʷ~ŋʷ~m ɳ~ŋʲ ɳʷ~ŋᶣ ɲ ɲʷ/
/tˠ~k tʷ~kʷ~p ʈ~kʲ ʈʷ~kᶣ c cʷ ʔ/
/dzˠ~ɡɣ dzʷ~ɡɣʷ~bβ dʐ~ɡɣʲ dʐʷ~ɡɣᶣ ɟʝ ɟʝʷ/
/θ̠ˠ~x θ̠ʷ~xʷ~ɸ ʂ~xʲ ʂʷ~xᶣ ç çʷ ħ~ɛ̯ ʕ~ɔ̯ h~ɦ/
/ɹˠ~ɰ ɹʷ~w~β̞ ɻ~ȷ̈ ɻʷ~ẅ j ɥ ʁ̞~ʕ̞˖ ʕ̞/
/ɫ~ʟ lʷ~ɫʷ~ʟʷ ɭ~ʟʲ ɭʷ~ʟᶣ ʎ ʎʷ/

/i y ɨ~ʐ̩ ʉ~ʐ̩ʷ ɯ~z̩ u~z̩ʷ/
/ə ɚ/
/ɛ ɜ ɝ ɔ/
/ä ɑ/

I use /ʗ/ for /ɽ/ and /ɽ/ for a full retroflex trill, which is actually possible provided it is not subapical. ɽ͡r suggests something shifting from retroflex to normal alveolar.

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Re: Romanization game #2

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/nˠ~ŋ nʷ~ŋʷ~m ɳ~ŋʲ ɳʷ~ŋᶣ ɲ ɲʷ/ <ng nw nj nv ñ ñy>
/tˠ~k tʷ~kʷ~p ʈ~kʲ ʈʷ~kᶣ c cʷ ʔ/ <tg tw tj tv c cy hh>
/dzˠ~ɡɣ dzʷ~ɡɣʷ~bβ dʐ~ɡɣʲ dʐʷ~ɡɣᶣ ɟʝ ɟʝʷ/ <zg zw zj zv q qy>
/θ̠ˠ~x θ̠ʷ~xʷ~ɸ ʂ~xʲ ʂʷ~xᶣ ç çʷ ħ~ɛ̯ ʕ~ɔ̯ h~ɦ/ <sg sw sj sv ç çy x xw h>
/ɹˠ~ɰ ɹʷ~w~β̞ ɻ~ȷ̈ ɻʷ~ẅ j ɥ ʁ̞~ʕ̞˖ ʕ̞/ <rg rw rj rv j v g gx>
/ɫ~ʟ lʷ~ɫʷ~ʟʷ ɭ~ʟʲ ɭʷ~ʟᶣ ʎ ʎʷ/ <lg lw lj lv ł ły>

/i y ɨ~ʐ̩ ʉ~ʐ̩ʷ ɯ~z̩ u~z̩ʷ/ <i y j v g w>
/ə ɚ/ <ê êj>
/ɛ ɜ ɝ ɔ/ <î e ej o>
/ä ɑ/ <a â>

Why would ħ have allophone ɛ̯ but ʕ have allophone ɔ̯? Are /ħ ʕ/ more like [ħʲ ʕʷ]?

/m n ŋ ɴ/
/nd ndz ndɮ ŋg ŋgɣ ɴɢ ɴɢʁ/
/t ts tɬ k kx q qχ/
/ƥ ɓ ɗ ɗz ɗɮ ɠ ɠɣ ʛ ʛʁ/
/s ɬ h/
/l/

/i y œ æ ɑ ɔ o u/

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Re: Romanization game #2

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ɶʙ ɞʛ wrote:
12 May 2020 04:32
/nˠ~ŋ nʷ~ŋʷ~m ɳ~ŋʲ ɳʷ~ŋᶣ ɲ ɲʷ/ <ng nw nj nv ñ ñy>
/tˠ~k tʷ~kʷ~p ʈ~kʲ ʈʷ~kᶣ c cʷ ʔ/ <tg tw tj tv c cy hh>
/dzˠ~ɡɣ dzʷ~ɡɣʷ~bβ dʐ~ɡɣʲ dʐʷ~ɡɣᶣ ɟʝ ɟʝʷ/ <zg zw zj zv q qy>
/θ̠ˠ~x θ̠ʷ~xʷ~ɸ ʂ~xʲ ʂʷ~xᶣ ç çʷ ħ~ɛ̯ ʕ~ɔ̯ h~ɦ/ <sg sw sj sv ç çy x xw h>
/ɹˠ~ɰ ɹʷ~w~β̞ ɻ~ȷ̈ ɻʷ~ẅ j ɥ ʁ̞~ʕ̞˖ ʕ̞/ <rg rw rj rv j v g gx>
/ɫ~ʟ lʷ~ɫʷ~ʟʷ ɭ~ʟʲ ɭʷ~ʟᶣ ʎ ʎʷ/ <lg lw lj lv ł ły>

/i y ɨ~ʐ̩ ʉ~ʐ̩ʷ ɯ~z̩ u~z̩ʷ/ <i y j v g w>
/ə ɚ/ <ê êj>
/ɛ ɜ ɝ ɔ/ <î e ej o>
/ä ɑ/ <a â>

Why would ħ have allophone ɛ̯ but ʕ have allophone ɔ̯? Are /ħ ʕ/ more like [ħʲ ʕʷ]?

/m n ŋ ɴ/
/nd ndz ndɮ ŋg ŋgɣ ɴɢ ɴɢʁ/
/t ts tɬ k kx q qχ/
/ƥ ɓ ɗ ɗz ɗɮ ɠ ɠɣ ʛ ʛʁ/
/s ɬ h/
/l/

/i y œ æ ɑ ɔ o u/
Hm, that’s from Arabic where few dialects may use ح /ħ/ and ع /ʕ/ as [ɛ̯ ɔ̯] respectively. Nearly, Arabian that speaking Semitic/Indic languages, some dialects pronounce /ɛ/ and /ɔ/ are [aj~aɪ̯ aw~aʊ̯] respectively, may be confused with letter Hah and letter Ayn.

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Re: Romanization game #2

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/m n ŋ ɴ/ m n ŋ ƞ
/nd ndz ndɮ ŋg ŋgɣ ɴɢ ɴɢʁ/ d z λ g ǥ ɣ ƣ
/t ts tɬ k kx q qχ/ t c ƛ k ꝁ q ꝗ
/ƥ ɓ ɗ ɗz ɗɮ ɠ ɠɣ ʛ ʛʁ/ p b đ ʒ ʌ ĝ ɣ̄ ɣ̂ ɣ̌
/s ɬ h/ s ɫ h
/l/ l

/i y œ æ ɑ ɔ o u/ i ü ö e a ų o u

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/m n ɲ ŋ/
/p b t d k g/
/v s z ʒ ʁ h/
/ʤ/
/l ʎ/
/w/
/r/

/i y u o æ a/
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Re: Romanization game #2

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/m n ɲ ŋ/ ⟨m n ń ṅ⟩
/p b t d k g/ ⟨p b t d k g⟩
/v s z ʒ ʁ h/ ⟨v s z ź ġ h⟩
/ʤ/ ⟨j⟩
/l ʎ/ ⟨l ĺ⟩
/w/ ⟨w⟩
/r/ ⟨r⟩

/i y u o æ a/ ⟨i u ó o á a⟩

Next:

/m n̪ ɳ ɲ˖ ŋ ɴ/
/p t̪ ʈ c̟~tɕ k q/
/ᵐb ⁿ̪d̪ ᶯɖ ᶮ̟ɟ˖~ᶮ̟dʑ ᵑɡ ᶰɢ/
/ɸ θ ʈ˕ ç˖ x χ/
/m̞ n̪˕ ɳ˕ ɲ˖˕ ŋ˕ ɴ̞/
/ⱱ̟~ʙ ɾ̪~r̪ ɽ~ɽr ɾ̠ʲ~r̠ʲ ɡ̆~ʀ̟̆ ɢ̆~ʀ̆/

/ɪ~j˕ ɨ̞~ȷ̈˕ ʊ~w̞/
/e ɘ o/
/æ ɐ ɔ̞~ɒ̝/

Note
/ɾ̠ʲ r̠ʲ ɡ̆ ʀ̟̆ ɔ̞~ɒ̝/ are mostly impossible to pronounce in real world.

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Re: Romanization game #2

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/m n̪ ɳ ɲ˖ ŋ ɴ/ m n ṇ ń ŋ ŋ̇
/p t̪ ʈ c̟~tɕ k q/ p t ṭ c k ḳ
/ᵐb ⁿ̪d̪ ᶯɖ ᶮ̟ɟ˖~ᶮ̟dʑ ᵑɡ ᶰɢ/ b d ḍ j g ġ
/ɸ θ ʈ˕ ç˖ x χ/ f s ṡ ś h ḣ
/m̞ n̪˕ ɳ˕ ɲ˖˕ ŋ˕ ɴ̞/ v z ẓ ƣ ƣ̇
/ⱱ̟~ʙ ɾ̪~r̪ ɽ~ɽr ɾ̠ʲ~r̠ʲ ɡ̆~ʀ̟̆ ɢ̆~ʀ̆/ ƀ đ đ̣ ǥ ǥ̇

/ɪ~j˕ ɨ̞~ȷ̈˕ ʊ~w̞/ i ï u
/e ɘ o/ e ä o
/æ ɐ ɔ̞~ɒ̝/ æ a ô

Note
/ɾ̠ʲ r̠ʲ ɡ̆ ʀ̟̆ ɔ̞~ɒ̝/ are mostly impossible to pronounce in real world.

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Arabic without the pharyngeals and uvulars.
/m n/
/b t d k/
/f θ ð s z ʃ x ɣ h/
/ʤ/
/l j w/
/r/

/i u a iː uː aː/
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Re: Romanization game #2

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ΘOΛA wrote:
12 May 2020 00:47
g in IPA was /ɡ/ (single story) not /g/ (double story)
Technically yes, but due to the fact that the IPA doesn't use <g> to represent anything else, as well as the fact that it's the default lower-case <G> for some fonts, <g> for the voiced velar stop is commonly accepted as "close enough". Especially since we're playing a game here, I'm personally content with using whatever variant of the symbol shows up when I hit <G> on my keyboard. To each their own, of course.

/m n/ <m n>
/b t d k/ <b t d k>
/f θ ð s z ʃ x ɣ h/ <f ṯ ḏ s z š x g h>
/ʤ/ <j>
/l j w/ <l y w>
/r/ <r>

/i u a iː uː aː/ <i u a ī ū ā>

Aa Āā Bb Dd Ḏḏ Ff Gg Hh Ii Īī Jj Kk Ll Mm Nn Rr Ss Šš Tt Ṯṯ Uu Ūū Ww Xx Yy Zz

Next:

/p ɓ t ɗ k ɠ ʔ/
/f s x/
/m n ŋ/
/ɹ l ʟ w/
/r/

/i u/
/e o/
/ɑ/

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Re: Romanization game #2

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/p ɓ t ɗ k ɠ ʔ/ <p b t d k g x>
/f s x/ <f s h>
/m n ŋ/ <m n q>
/ɹ l ʟ w/ <r l y w>
/r/ <r'>

/i u/ <i u>
/e o/ <e o>
/ɑ/ <a>


Next:

/m m̥ n n̥ ŋ/
/p pʰ d t tʰ g k kʰ/
/f s/
/r l w j ɰ/

/i a u y ø ɯ ɤ/ + [˩˥ ˩˧˨ ˥ ˥˩]
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